Ah.. I guess that would make sense. Btw, I know you wrote the n00b guides and stuff. I never saw them when I was learning (dang it). Did you ever try my timer program out? Just wanted to know you're thoughts. I think I need a help file to go with it though since some things seem to confuse people a little. Nothing that makes them not be able to work it though.

It was Winters Zombie, who told me that they used an NPC outside. So I'm assuming, but have not confirmed, that Winters started from a save position outside the lab and then went in after letting the frames advance and that made the starters end up on frames above the ones that they usually are in if you have saved inside the lab. I intend to test this myself soon.

Yeah.. I just suggested it to Bond as a way of seed verifying.. but I'm not sure how/if it works. I don't have time to test right now either.

Does that person not know how they advanced the frame? If not, I'll look around a little when I start my new game. =)

No, don't feel bad for VMing. :-) I'm always interested in possibilities. The starter frames I was looking at was for HGSS, the Elm starters, because I did some RNG on them, but once you saved in front of the place to receive the pokeball, you're stuck inside the professor's lab and you can't seem to advance the frame talking to Elm, who also stops you from leaving past him.

If TV's advance the frames of non-c-gear seeds in Black and white, that could prove very convenient.

I saw you said someone was advancing frames for starters. I don't know if it helps at all but when looking at b/w I noticed that TVs advance the frame, although I'm not entirely sure how much. There's one in your house at the start, right?

If I totally misunderstood what you were talking about, ignore me since I'm kinda butting in. =)