Gliscor is scared to take STAB Grass Knots (unless I am misjudging his weight and he takes only 20 or 40 BP ones).Gliscor is scared to come in unless you're positive Pyroak doesn't have HP Ice.
Gliscor is scared to take STAB Grass Knots (unless I am misjudging his weight and he takes only 20 or 40 BP ones).Gliscor is scared to come in unless you're positive Pyroak doesn't have HP Ice.
With 0 EVs in attack, and a - nature(not to mention 70 ATK base) EQ will barely do anything even if it's super effective. I'm still mad how we didn't give this Pokemon EQ when it doesn't make any sense for a Pokemon this large. Without testing, we already assumed "OH THIS IS GOING TO BE BROKEN BECAUSE ITS SUPER EFFECTIVE AGAINST ITS COUNTERS" FFS Garchomp can learn Fire Blast and heck its Sp.Atk has an 80 base.give it EQ it ends up broken. water, bug, ice, fire and ground all types that are neutralised by its typing, only pokemon it cant dent is heatran
EQ against 252 HP Tentacruel: 38.19% - 45.05%name: Tank
move 1: Leech Seed
move 2: Lava Plume / Flamethrower
move 3: Rest / Aromatherapy / Earthquake lol
move 4: Grass Knot
item: Leftovers
ability: Battle Armor
nature: Bold
evs: 252 HP / 136 Def / 32 SpD / 88 Spe
HEY GUYS LETS MAKE A POKEMON WITH HUGE LEGS AND NOT GIVE IT ANY KICKING MOVES COS I THINK IT'LL BE BROKEN
Look, it wasn't given EQ because Tentacruel and Heatran were supposed to be safe switches. Also, if you COUNTER PREDICT in example one, the smart thing to do is to EQ again to hit the incoming Heatran. In example 2, you should switch, and go to your Tentacruel check/counter. Earthquake is needless and borderline broken. This thing shouldn't be able to 2hko it's checks with SR down.With 0 EVs in attack, and a - nature(not to mention 70 ATK base) EQ will barely do anything even if it's super effective. I'm still mad how we didn't give this Pokemon EQ when it doesn't make any sense for a Pokemon this large. Without testing, we already assumed "OH THIS IS GOING TO BE BROKEN BECAUSE ITS SUPER EFFECTIVE AGAINST ITS COUNTERS" FFS Garchomp can learn Fire Blast and heck its Sp.Atk has an 80 base.
Ok let's see one of its moveset...
EQ against 252 HP Tentacruel: 38.19% - 45.05%
EQ against 0 HP/0 DEFHeatran: 58.51% - 68.73%
BUT THERE ARE NO SAFE SWITCH INS!
of course there is, you just need to use your brain sometimes aka prediction
Scenario Example#1
Pyroak vs. Heatran
Heatran come back! Go Skarmory!
Pyroak used EQ. It doesn't affect Skarmory...
Skarmory come back! Go Heatran!
Pyroak used Lava Plume! Flash Fire activated
Scenario Example#2
Pyroak vs. Thyplosion
Thyplosion come back! Go Salamence
Intimidate lowered Pyroak's Attack!
Pyroak used Earthquake. Salamence Loled!
Salamence come back! Go Tentacruel!
Pyroak used Hidden Power! Lol damage!
Tentacruel used Toxic Spikes/Sludge Bomb/Toxic!
Moving onto my point, it's not worth putting EQ in any of its moveset(Unless it's a Choice Set) as it kills its main purpose as a bulky Sp.Attacker(?) So for the sense of it, put EQ in.
You forget that with Earthquake as an option you can run Fire Blast/Grass Knot/Earthquake/HP Rock. This gives it perfect coverage. Sure, you can wall this set by switching, but you can do that to most mixed attackers.I don't think we should only focus on Tentacruel and Heatran.
A couple of counters even with Earthquake:
- Rain Dance Team- Yes... okay being forced to run a certain team is not a counter
- Sandstorm Team - See above
- Tyranitar(without Grass knot) - Does it like Toxic and any set that doesn't have Toxic will have Grass Knot? And does he like EQ?
- Moltres - HP Rock
- Charizard - See above
- Muk - Earthquake, duh!
- Stockpile Swalot - See above
- Gyarados(without a Grass move) - See Tyranitar
- Salamence - Depends on how much HP Rock does.
Sure, only if you start pumping ATK EVs. Also you would need a neutral nature, and decrease HP, Spe, SpD, or even Def EVs to make it do effective which will make it less bulky.You forget that with Earthquake as an option you can run Fire Blast/Grass Knot/Earthquake/HP Rock. This gives it perfect coverage. Sure, you can wall this set by switching, but you can do that to most mixed attackers.
A Pokemon can be good without having no counters.... Sheesh just because it can use a move doesn't mean it gets it. Flareon and Flare Blitz, I rest my case.
But if you can 2HKO all switch-ins (assuming you predict properly, obviously this won't happen most of the time) do you really need to be bulky? It would be very close to TTar in terms of how you play it then, except it doesn't have as much Attack or SAtk.Sure, only if you start pumping ATK EVs. Also you would need a neutral nature, and decrease HP, Spe, SpD, or even Def EVs to make it do effective which will make it less bulky.
Err, I guess...
It's not like Flying attacks were dominating the metagame before we started making pokes.With all the Stealth Rocks floating around, Flying types have really gotten screwed in DP. Perhaps the CAP pokes might make Flying types a little more desirable.On a side note, all of our CAPs so far have been weak to flying. We may want to stay away from those types that are weak to flying next time.
I am having second thoughts about how strong this thing is, I can only think of 2 (3 if SpecsTran FB does >65%) good counters counters to Aldarons set, Tentacreul and NP Togekiss. CB Tyranitar would do quite a bit with SE, but would hate Leech seed or Toxic.
I stalled out a Kingdra UNDER THE RAIN (5 turn rain) I mean its recovery move was reduced to half, and facing a Pokemon with a double STAB 95 base power move.
Kingdra switched in on Leach Seed iirc and set up rain as I healed up to ~75% with Synthesis and proceeded to hit me with Surfs as I stalled out rain with Synthesis (only 25% in the rain) + Leech Seed.
Still don't think its broken just a strong tank.
Also stuff like EQ, DD, even SD would not be remotely broken IMO, this thing is NOT a sweeper, and even with those moves the tank set is much better.
You know 0 SA Jolly Heatran Earth Power doesn't KO much either for some reason, probably because only an idiot uses an attack off a stat they have nerfed EV and Nature wise.Blu said:With 0 EVs in attack, and a - nature(not to mention 70 ATK base) EQ will barely do anything even if it's super effective. I'm still mad how we didn't give this Pokemon EQ when it doesn't make any sense for a Pokemon this large. Without testing, we already assumed "OH THIS IS GOING TO BE BROKEN BECAUSE ITS SUPER EFFECTIVE AGAINST ITS COUNTERS" FFS Garchomp can learn Fire Blast and heck its Sp.Atk has an 80 base.
Well Manaphy's 100 SPA/100 Spe is a bit more threatening than Pyroak's 70/60 stats, along with better typing.Yeah, We all know that if you give an impressive tank +2 boosts it wouldn't possibly use an offensive set instead of a tank set. What's that, Manafi? You say you got banned because you can tank everything AND boost yor special attack by 2?