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DP Research Thread #4 ("Newer still")
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Not sure if this belongs in the QnA section, but here goes the question, involving Confusion. I've been reading up to page 5 and found out that when a pokemon is confused, that confused pokemon taking damage from smacking itself is based on Attack and Defense stat. So is there any Base Power to that "hitting yourself" thing? If not, how is the confusion damage determined?
2. So now I understand the purpose of the move Swagger, so you hit yourself harder when you're confused. But what about Flatter(or that move that raises Sp.Atk by 2 stages)? What's the point of that move then?
2. So now I understand the purpose of the move Swagger, so you hit yourself harder when you're confused. But what about Flatter(or that move that raises Sp.Atk by 2 stages)? What's the point of that move then?
I see. thank you
Reguarding sleep talking using moves with no more PP, i was playing a Vaporeon with rest, sleep talk, hydro pump, and HP electric, and it clearly used over 8 hydro pumps.
Anyway, I was bored today on my 4 hour bus ride home, and decided to test this. Since I have 2 DS's, I just did local wireless with my Diamond and Pearl. After 80 turns of Clefable STing Gengar, and Gengar using Ghost moves on Clefable, it was fully paralyzed not once. I'm pretty sure that 80 turns is more than enough for paralysis to kick in, but for the sake of proof, I will do this again with a team of Ghosts and one Clefable. I will paralyze all of the ghosts as well as Clefable, and then I will post the comparisons between how many times the ghosts get fully paralyzed versus Clefable.misdreavus79 said:
Yeah, except for when two pokemon are paralyzed, and over those same 80 turns, one of them is paralyzed about 7 or 8 times, and the other not at all, there's something there.
But I'll just go ahead and make a video of me fighting 6 ghosts with a paralyzed Clefable.
But I'll just go ahead and make a video of me fighting 6 ghosts with a paralyzed Clefable.
Try 9.9 billion.
Something weird happens with Thief in this PBR video (only the first 3 minutes matter for this):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XS8FrRHRKU
As you can see, Tangrowth used Knock Off, so Rattata no longer has its Focus Sash. But later, when Rattata uses Thief, Tangrowth keeps its Leftovers intact…
Maybe Knock Off, Focus Sash, and Thief/Covet all have this associated behaviour, or maybe this was a one time bug.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XS8FrRHRKU
As you can see, Tangrowth used Knock Off, so Rattata no longer has its Focus Sash. But later, when Rattata uses Thief, Tangrowth keeps its Leftovers intact…
Maybe Knock Off, Focus Sash, and Thief/Covet all have this associated behaviour, or maybe this was a one time bug.
Consider the following scenario:
The first turn, Clefable with Magic Guard switches in on Venusaur's Toxic. Of course, it takes no poison damage, but the message "Clefable is hurt by poison!" is displayed. The second turn Venusaur used Worry Seed. Clefable is now vulnerable to his Toxic infliction. At the end of the turn, does Clefable take 6%, as it would the first turn of Toxic, or 12%, from the second turn?
On Shoddy I've noticed the second result happens; Clefable takes Toxic damage as if it had been taking damage each turn it was in play. So if Venusaur used Worry Seed on the 4th turn, poison would deal 24% damage at the end of the turn. Has this been tested?
The first turn, Clefable with Magic Guard switches in on Venusaur's Toxic. Of course, it takes no poison damage, but the message "Clefable is hurt by poison!" is displayed. The second turn Venusaur used Worry Seed. Clefable is now vulnerable to his Toxic infliction. At the end of the turn, does Clefable take 6%, as it would the first turn of Toxic, or 12%, from the second turn?
On Shoddy I've noticed the second result happens; Clefable takes Toxic damage as if it had been taking damage each turn it was in play. So if Venusaur used Worry Seed on the 4th turn, poison would deal 24% damage at the end of the turn. Has this been tested?
When a Pokemon is under the effects on Encore and Torment at the same time, the Pokemon uses the Encored move for the duration of Encore, but Struggles every other turn because of Torment. The same happens if a Choice item Pokemon is Encored. In the situation youdescribed, Encore would not fail. Pokemon X would just keep using Metronome, with struggle in between each Metronome until Torment ends.
Test 1: 110-76=34
Test 2: 82-46=36
Test 3: 52-20=32
Test 4: 110-76=34
Test 5: 82-50=32
Test 6: 56-24=32
Test 7: 91-57=34
Test 8: 63-27=36
Test 9: 94-64=30?????
Did I make a mistake in calculating the damage? I used Cardsofthehearts excel sheet to help calculate the damage. I really hope this means i just messed up somewhere (FYI a +1 Defense boost for skarmory would not have reduced the damage to only 30, but about 27), I checked my pokemons stats and they are the same ones i reported earlier.
You did not make a mistake. Rather, me and Peterko have.
It seems like Tinted Lens' multiplier is in Mod3 and not Mod2!
I realised this after noticing that all numbers are even.
So the test means that we put Tinted Lens in Mod2 by mistake, where it should be in Mod3. Hence we have:
Bolded x1.5 = Boost for Me First, Bolded x2 = Boost for Tinted Lens
If R = 0.85, 0.86 or 0.87: 17 x 1.5 = 25, 25 x R = 21, 21 x 1.5 = 31, 31 / 2 = 15, 15 x 2 = 30
If R = 0.88, 0.89, 0.90 or 0.91: 17 x 1.5 = 25, 25 x R = 22, 22 x 1.5 = 33, 33 / 2 = 16, 16 x 2 = 32
If R = 0.92, 0.93, 0.94 or 0.95: 17 x 1.5 = 25, 25 x R = 23, 23 x 1.5 = 34, 34 / 2 = 17, 17 x 2 = 34
If R = 0.96, 0.97, 0.98, 0.99: 17 x 1.5 = 25, 25 x R = 24, 24 x 1.5 = 36, 36 / 2 = 18, 18 x 2 = 36
If R = 1: 17 x 1.5 = 25, 25 x R = 25, 25 x 1.5 = 37, 37 / 2 = 18, 18 x 2 = 36
So the damage should be either 30, 32, 34 or 36... exactly as you had in your test.
Now what can clash in Mod3 is having a Pokemon with Tinted Lens using a Normal move against a Steel or Rock Pokemon holding Chilan Berry.
This would first warrant another question: Does Chilan Berry work if the Normal move used against the Pokemon holding it is not very effective? For example, suppose I use Hyper Beam against Steelix with Chilan Berry attached... would Chilan Berry activate or not? If it doesn't, then Tinted Lens does not clash with Chilan Berry.
If, however, it activates, then Tinted Lens clashes with it, and we would need to know whether Chilan Berry (x0.5) activates first followed by Tinted Lens (x2), or the other way round. A test would be simple for this, though. If the damage done is always an even number, then Tinted Lens activates last, otherwise Chilan Berry activates last.
Thanks RB Golbat for this test!
Skarmory is holding Chilan Berry.
Tropius uses Cut!
The Chilan Berry weakened Cut's power!
Now to test Me First with Chilan Berry.
Also, is it known if Solid Rock comes before or after the Type Resistant Berries?
What about the rest of Mod3? Is any order to that known? I ask because it isn't mentioned in the damage formula page.
Tropius uses Cut!
The Chilan Berry weakened Cut's power!
Now to test Me First with Chilan Berry.
Also, is it known if Solid Rock comes before or after the Type Resistant Berries?
What about the rest of Mod3? Is any order to that known? I ask because it isn't mentioned in the damage formula page.
Okay, I guess we need to put this in the description of Chilan Berry on the Smogon page as well.
Actually, you need to test Tinted Lens with Chilan Berry.
I remember Peterko having tested this explicitly, so yeah. :)Damage Formula Page said:
Ok, I only asked because it wasn't written in the formula as:
Mod3 = SR * EB * TB * TL
or something like that.
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