eric the espeon
maybe I just misunderstood
Levitate makes it hard for most Lax though.. Maybe it could stall LO damage from non-CM sets with Rest?
Whoops, forgot about that. Snorlax probably can't beat the Calm Mind sets.Levitate makes it hard for most Lax though.. Maybe it could stall LO damage from non-CM sets with Rest?
Cradily also works, being neutral to everything it possesses except Ice Beam, and Ice Beam isn't on a lot of posted sets. SD/EQ takes out any Stratagem with Technician, Any set with Seed Bomb pretty much wins unconditionally.I feel like playing some theorymon. Possible counters for this thing would be anything with Bullet Punch (Scizor, Metagross and Lucario are the most likely), other base 130 speed Pokemon such as Aerodactyl, Electrode with a super effective Hidden Power (?) and Trick Room. But that's all I can think of. Anyone else?
Hariyama can switch in on most of Stratagem's attacks an threaten to OHKO with force palm. It is only 3HKO'd by life orb Earth Power and 4HKO'd by an unboosted one.Originally Posted by Fat cyberzero
I feel like playing some theorymon. Possible counters for this thing would be anything with Bullet Punch (Scizor, Metagross and Lucario are the most likely), other base 130 speed Pokemon such as Aerodactyl, Electrode with a super effective Hidden Power (?) and Trick Room. But that's all I can think of. Anyone else?
Quoting to say that Hariyama is an excellent counter to Stratagem, as it also gets Bullet Punch (which is irrelevant but w/e) and Whirlwind to help against CM sets.Hariyama can switch in on most of Stratagem's attacks an threaten to OHKO with force palm. It is only 3HKO'd by life orb Earth Power and 4HKO'd by an unboosted one.
Defensive fighting types on the whole counter Stratagem, but Hariyama does have Thick Fat for a "resistance" to Ice Beam / Flamethrower. Machamp is also a decent option.Quoting to say that Hariyama is an excellent counter to Stratagem, as it also gets Bullet Punch (which is irrelevant but w/e) and Whirlwind to help against CM sets.
EDIT- which probably also means to a lesser extent something like Hitmontop counters it nicely as well, with STAB Techician Mach Punch and all...
Flygon can stop it cold if its moves are Paleo Wave and Fire Blast, or Paleo Wave and Earth Power. Paleo Wave and Energy Ball is a bit more difficult though.In reality, name one thing that can reliably take down the Sub/CM set. Heatran if it lacks Earth Power, but Scizor doesn't work since it takes neutral from Paleo Wave and after a CM or two Stratagem is going to win. Maybe Tyranitar with Aqua Tail?
Without Flamethrower or Earth Power Stratagem will be prone to Metagross...Flygon can stop it cold if its moves are Paleo Wave and Fire Blast, or Paleo Wave and Earth Power. Paleo Wave and Energy Ball is a bit more difficult though.
In fact, it basically boils down to whether the last move is Energy Ball or not in order for Flygon to counter it.
Actually Stratagem Does have Energy Ball - not sure how you missed that?this mon has every single viable special move except grass knot/energy ball, with stats to back it up. gengar has focus blast, thunderbolt and shadow ball, and this mon is faster.
hypnosis lost it's acc so i rarely use it on gar. trick is good but i'd rather have calm mind/twave. maybe i'm exagerrating but it just seems too good ~__~
I was going to say that Air Cutter was a viable alternative to Air Slash on a Tech set, having 83 effective power in that case. But then I noticed that this thing actually doesn't get Air Cutter.It also doesn't have Air Slash which would be very useful on the CAP server.
All the Technicianable moves on this are inferior to their TM counterparts aside from possibly Giga Drain and Ancientpower - both of these have cool side effects but tiny PP so not that great.
This.What should have happened was that the Levitate set got only a few core moves, like Earth Power, a 75-80 base Paleo Wave, Tbolt, and maybe Energy Ball, and giving the Tech Set things like Icy Wind, Air Cutter, Charge Beam, Ancientpower, Ominous Wind, Silver Wind, HP whatever 88, Vacuum Wave, Giga Drain, Confusion, Dragonbreath, Water Pulse, etc. OK, so maybe not all of those, but you get the idea. Gigantic type coverage and unpredictability for the Tech set, at the cost of a valuable EQ immunity. This would give a fair amount of balance to the ability, and considering that nothing else in the game really does something like this, it both breaks the mold and adds something new to the competitive scene.
Bless you, eric. I too would like to hold out some hope that surprise Tech sets will be viable.I do not think its a problem if there is a secondary ability or strategy that is less common.
In fact its quite interesting and provides the chance for a inventive player to surprise people with a good Tech moveset. Its reassuring that there is another way for you to use the Pokemon other than the standard. And who knows, maybe Tech will be better? Many good battlers thought that LockLight>ShedRest untill they got to play with it.
No, that's not a problem. But if it turns out we gave CAP6 an Ability and then made it so that that Ability is not competitively viable (and this will become apparent when it sees no use) then it highlights the flaws of the CAP process and also the shortsightedness of anyone who voted for X-Act's movepool.I do not think its a problem if there is a secondary ability or strategy that is less common.