Chou Toshio
Over9000
OU
Would you support a ban of Rotom (normal and appliance forms) as well, because they are banned from Nintendo tournaments?I voted Uber since Shaymin of all forms is banned from Nintendo's official tournaments.
What?I voted Uber since Shaymin of all forms is banned from Nintendo's official tournaments.
I'm done as well. Time to eat an awesome chicken bake. When this thing gets voted OU, I will proceed to rape you all ^_^Actually you're missing my point (EDIT- @Philip). Don't predispose it to be Uber, not use it, and the expect everybody to vote it Uber. For one, you're weighing down usage statistics (which would help your case out a bit more), and two, you could use the team to prove to *some* people you battle that it actually IS Uber.
I'm not making any generalizations about the requirement process. I have nothing to say on it, because I can't think of a viable alternative.
Regardless, this is a voting topic, not a discussion topic. I am done.
Rape is a serious crime,sir.I'm done as well. Time to eat an awesome chicken bake. When this thing gets voted OU, I will proceed to rape you all ^_^
voted uber lol for reasons that i wont discuss because we were told not to
I voted Uber. I don't care what anyone says Skymin leads you to use certain Pokemons like Zapdos or Crobat or Dragonite. Which decentralizes and I don't like that. Sure Skymin's Seed Flare can be stopped by things like Zapdos, (but keep in mind of SR damage and the 80% of lowering sp.def by 2 stages). It can easily destroy anything that comes in its path. Plus the 60% flinch rate is insane. You cannot compare something like Togekiss to Skymin. Never.Vote. You may post your reasoning if you like. It is not required.
OU, drawing a line between Togekiss/Jirachi and Skymin is lol arbitrary, "eliminating luck" is a bogus reason because you need to have an arbitrary line of "too much luck," slippery slope etc haven't all the "Skymin is UBER!" arguments been smashed into the ground already?
Luck is something you DON'T use effectively. Luck happens. There is no strategic way to use luck. When you use Air Slash hoping for flinch you know your circumstances if it doesn't flinch. Same thing can be said to a Paralyzed Pokemon. Why would you use Agility with Metagross hoping for 25% Paralysis hault from Paralyzed Heatran when you know the circumstances.Having used Skymin on numerous occasions before, I seriously found it to be underwhelming. The insane luck required to use it both effectively and consistently means that in the end there are many better pokemon for the slot.
With so many perfect counters in OU I really don't understand why people consider it to be Uber. In every previous instance, we banned something that had very few or zero proper counters: Garchomp was universally hailed as 'uncounterable', Wobbuffet had literally no counters because of its trapping ability, and Deoxys-E could set up screens and SR to its leisure by outspeeding and Taunting anything coming in to stop it.
Look at the top 4 pokemon: Heatran, Scizor, Zapdos, Blissey. Each one of them can deal with Shaymin effectively. There also exist so many other pokemon that can not only switch in with impunity, but also threaten Skymin enough to force it out. The very definition of paper counter.
Anyway, I know where my vote lies. Shaymin-S is OU.
LR.
I laugh at this statement.With so many perfect counters in OU I really don't understand why people consider it to be Uber.
Nah, just couldn't think of any and needed one for my team =] thanksWhy are 5 counters needed? Are you seriously telling me that Lucario has 5 counters? Or Salamence? Or maybe you consider them uber too.
For the record, '... counters that can switch into Seed Flare, and either live and outspeed or not be KOed next turn with spec def drop':
Crobat
Blissey
Regice
Registeel
Dragonite
Heatran
Zapdos
Scizor
Bronzong
Skarmory
Blissey, Skarmory, Heatran, Regice, Registeel, Bronzong, ShedinjaName 5 counters that can switch into seed flare, and either live and outspeed or not be KOed next turn with spec def drop
Regice and Registeel can't get their Sp. Def dropped, neither can Tentacruel w/ clear body. For everyone else, the sp. def drop only happens 68% of the time, but if it does, then Zapdos, Scarf Heatran, and that makes 5 right? Skarmory really doesn't care much, Bronzong 2HKO's with Gyro Ball, and we'll toss in Scarf Gengar to make 8, which is Seed Flare's pitiful PP.Name 5 counters that can switch into seed flare, and either live and outspeed or not be KOed next turn with spec def drop