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The pokemon ranger track of lights update
- Thread starter Tys
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Yep that's the one that I'm trying at the moment.
The only problem is...I have the heatran of shiny and perfect ivs to be ev trained but I don't have a groudon :/...
Head over to the wifi forum, there are a bunch there.
Groudon + Heatran should be good, I'm personally not into doubles, but I'm starting to get into it.
Groudon + Heatran should be good, I'm personally not into doubles, but I'm starting to get into it.
Back home, I don't have wifi connection so I just shoddy and I'm going back home tomorrow :/
Groudon + Heatran is actually awesome (I'd love to try out eruption on heatran though). I've been running Groudon + Heatran + Palkia + Zapdos/others. And back in japan and Korea, it did well...well decently.
Doubles is the battle style that I am really into. :D
I haven't used a Heatran in battles yet, but since I have one that can be used as a Scarf user, I'll try it out. From what I've read, Eruption will lead to more people using Heatran. I can't help wondering how powerful it will be when used correctly.
Wait, I read somewhere that eruptiontran can't learn explosion or earth power, is this correct?
If it isn't correct, heatran seems pretty viable for the doubles battle hall (eruption + explosion will take out almost everything, the only problems would be gyarados, salamence, and quagsire).
If it isn't correct, heatran seems pretty viable for the doubles battle hall (eruption + explosion will take out almost everything, the only problems would be gyarados, salamence, and quagsire).
Why would it not be able to? Earth Power is a tutor move and Explosion is learned via TM. This Heatran is able to be sent to HG/SS, so getting either of those moves won't be a problem. Unless I'm missing something, I don't see any issues.
In doubles uber I can see heatran being a new beast.
...Which has absolutely nothing at all to do with what I was saying. It can still learn the moves--nothing's stopping it from learning Explosion and Earth Power. That's all I was talking about--that this Heatran can still learn any move that Heatran normally can. I was in no way talking about it being able to put Eruption/Hidden Power/Earth Power/Explosion/Flamethrower all on the same moveset or whatever, but just clarifying that Heatran can still learn/be taught any of those moves.
Some of the VGC '10 battlers (as I) have tested it and surprisingly it's not as good. We had expectations of reaching Kyogre's level of destruction but man we were wrong. For some reason, we have forgotten to look at some damage outputs with regard to the lowered damage outputs in the doubles...it's ok but it has been rather...average.
Update: over at ProjectPokemon they just extracted the wondercards for Heatran, Shaymin, and Deoxys from Ranger 3. I looked at the WC myself, and it appears that the Heatran is always Quiet.
Source: http://projectpokemon.org/forums/showthread.php?5164-Event-Contribution-Collection&p=67568
Source: http://projectpokemon.org/forums/showthread.php?5164-Event-Contribution-Collection&p=67568
That kinda puts a dampener on Scarf sets, however even with a - Speed nature ScarfTran can just outspeed the base 110s and anything below them. Lose out against a lot of the slower scarfers and base 115/120s/130s.
Anyway one thing I think a lot of people have missed is the fact that Eruption does not miss. Flamethrower is reliable, but even at 63% Eruption is just as strong. Fire Blast misses 15% of the time, does no damage whatsoever. Even at quite low HP Eruption will be a threat to Pokemon weak to it, or those that lack special bulk. At 33% you're still hitting with an effective 75 Base Power move off 394 SpA. Not going to be 2HKOing Dragons like a full power one can, but unless you resist it or are Blissey, you are going to notice it.
Both Fire Blast and Eruption are unreliable in different ways, however given many people's hatred of hax (how many matches have you lost due to a FB miss at the wrong moment?), attraction to the awesome power that Eruption brings, and seeming unwillingness to use Flamethrower:
| Heatran | Move | Fire Blast | 56.6 |
| Heatran | Move | Flamethrower | 24.7 |
| Heatran | Move | Lava Plume | 10.8 |
I think Eruption could end up as quite a common move on Heatran. But only on teams that don't need to rely on it's resistances.
Anyway one thing I think a lot of people have missed is the fact that Eruption does not miss. Flamethrower is reliable, but even at 63% Eruption is just as strong. Fire Blast misses 15% of the time, does no damage whatsoever. Even at quite low HP Eruption will be a threat to Pokemon weak to it, or those that lack special bulk. At 33% you're still hitting with an effective 75 Base Power move off 394 SpA. Not going to be 2HKOing Dragons like a full power one can, but unless you resist it or are Blissey, you are going to notice it.
Both Fire Blast and Eruption are unreliable in different ways, however given many people's hatred of hax (how many matches have you lost due to a FB miss at the wrong moment?), attraction to the awesome power that Eruption brings, and seeming unwillingness to use Flamethrower:
| Heatran | Move | Fire Blast | 56.6 |
| Heatran | Move | Flamethrower | 24.7 |
| Heatran | Move | Lava Plume | 10.8 |
I think Eruption could end up as quite a common move on Heatran. But only on teams that don't need to rely on it's resistances.
Instead of forcing Scarf onto a Quiet Heatran, Specs Heatran should really be looked at. His ability to 2HKO the vast majority of Pokemon that resist the attack is devastating. Even with the -Speed nature, Heatran can still outspeed things like Swampert , Blissey and Tyranitar when it needs to.
Sleep Talk/Rest with Eruption probably won't be very big, but it is another way to utilize nature while having Eruption at 'decent power'.
Sleep Talk/Rest with Eruption probably won't be very big, but it is another way to utilize nature while having Eruption at 'decent power'.
You know, I always thought of Heatran as slow, and this one's always Quiet. How about having it in a Trick Room team?
Did anyone get any info on the Shaymin? Does it have any interesting moves?
I would say Heatran still needs a coverage move for low HP. 75 BP off 394 special attack sounds nice, but that's more like the power of an Azelf signal beam. Nice for a light hit, but really lacking...
Heatran with Eruption sounds epic, I think it would be a #1 choice for a Sunny Day team :o
Entei with Flare Blitz has a some significance. He FINALLY gets a good STAB to take advantage of his rather nice Atk stat. Obvious a CB or a LO, together with SR, will make sure he dies fairly quick, but he can probably do some serious damage.
The other two obviously don't have as much significance.
Also, the fact that Heatran needs to be Quiet kind of kills the scarf a bit. The Specs is still scary though; you don't need speed to punch massive holes like that.