I use it over Shadow Sneak. I never found that move useful since Mismagius can't OHKO with +2 Shadow Ball anyway if you're healthy, and Pursuit OHKOs. Without Return Spiritomb gives Houndoom an easy time to set up and sweep. It was also useful against SubCM Raikou, and hitting Fighting-types like Hariyama and Hitmontop/Lee harder.
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Quick post to say that mono-normal + pursuit support (cbtomb on my team) absolutely rapes. Cosmic Power/Belly Drum Toxic Orb Facade Clefable, Tauros, Miltank, Licky, SWELLOW, so on... All of them work together to weaken steels then win.
Speaking of which - the ultimate steel lure: SubEndeavor Swellow! Sub on the switch to steelix/aggron/regi, endeavor as they break sub, then U-turn to something fun. Facade to keep your endgame power, flame orb as item. Works like a charm, especially with pursuit support.
Speaking of which - the ultimate steel lure: SubEndeavor Swellow! Sub on the switch to steelix/aggron/regi, endeavor as they break sub, then U-turn to something fun. Facade to keep your endgame power, flame orb as item. Works like a charm, especially with pursuit support.
This may be the best gimmick set ever. Now lets watch as every other team on the ladder will have one after five minutes.
Lol I used SubPass Endeavor a while back and it was really effective. Works really well with things that can set up on Swellows counters like Rhyperior and Registeel (hint, use Torterra).
And this running gag of the mega thread influencing the ladder isn't going to end, is it? ;_;
Bulky Lass+Swellow+Moltres+Raikou is one of the most broken cores right now. Add in a donphan to set up stealth rock, spin, revenge things like swellow with ice shard, giving you more priority and letting you revnge without revealing swellow or raikou, plus an anti-lead, and you have a solid team. Bulky Lass makes a great pivot outside of the lead position. Say for example I have moltres in, and milotic comes out. I need to get raikou in to revenge. But if it's offensive, raikou could take a big hit from hydro pump. Just go to lass! Set up a layer or two of spikes, die, and bring in the revenger.
Swellow also does awesome with spikes, since donphan can setup on it's counters, and moltres can force out it's counters and since most hate spikes (registeel, steelix, aggron) with a little prior damage (which is easy to get, since these like to switch into raikou who can weaken with t-bolt) next time it comes in, Swellow can just muclse through some, like registeel, while others can be easily forced out again. Seriously, swellow does like 24% to registeel with facade after toxic orb activates and easily 2hkos donphan, but it has ice shard, so you should switch. (based on experience). While swellow is easily walled on it's own (not broken) moltres can easily switch in and fire off flamethrowers to kill (offensively broken) and shares a lot of checks and counters with other dangerous pokemon which it can weaken and stops their other counters. (Support Characteristic). Froslass can set up spikes to easy, everyone and their mothers prepare for it, yet, when used outside of lead (which only i seam to be doing) can easily get up many layers of spikes (support). Raikou, while coming close to offensive and defensive characteristics, is only broken with spikes support-provided by lass.
I've never used dugtrio.
Uberiffic's final verdict:
Moltres: broken
Raikou: If lass stays, broken, otherwise, very close but not broken
Froslass: Fun to abuse, but we need to ban this bitch. Broken
Dugtrio: N/A, but from what ive seen, not broken. Too weak.
P.S. @ roflkip: while usefull for mono-normal, swellow has no business running a set just to stop steels, it can u-turn away, and there are much better steel killers; donphan, moltres, magneton, etc.
P.S.S. I find it funny that when theorymoning, everyone thought dugtrio would be broken and donphan would eventually fall into obscurity. When they came down, donphan ruled, dugtrio sucked. Now, dugtrio is suspect, and I never see donphan. Of course, with yanmega gone, and moltres will probably be gone soon, he has little to spin for. Especielly when he cant touch swellow with the standard (as I see) set of ice shard, earthquake, spin, stealth rock.
P.S.S.S. damn that was a long post.
Swellow also does awesome with spikes, since donphan can setup on it's counters, and moltres can force out it's counters and since most hate spikes (registeel, steelix, aggron) with a little prior damage (which is easy to get, since these like to switch into raikou who can weaken with t-bolt) next time it comes in, Swellow can just muclse through some, like registeel, while others can be easily forced out again. Seriously, swellow does like 24% to registeel with facade after toxic orb activates and easily 2hkos donphan, but it has ice shard, so you should switch. (based on experience). While swellow is easily walled on it's own (not broken) moltres can easily switch in and fire off flamethrowers to kill (offensively broken) and shares a lot of checks and counters with other dangerous pokemon which it can weaken and stops their other counters. (Support Characteristic). Froslass can set up spikes to easy, everyone and their mothers prepare for it, yet, when used outside of lead (which only i seam to be doing) can easily get up many layers of spikes (support). Raikou, while coming close to offensive and defensive characteristics, is only broken with spikes support-provided by lass.
I've never used dugtrio.
Uberiffic's final verdict:
Moltres: broken
Raikou: If lass stays, broken, otherwise, very close but not broken
Froslass: Fun to abuse, but we need to ban this bitch. Broken
Dugtrio: N/A, but from what ive seen, not broken. Too weak.
P.S. @ roflkip: while usefull for mono-normal, swellow has no business running a set just to stop steels, it can u-turn away, and there are much better steel killers; donphan, moltres, magneton, etc.
P.S.S. I find it funny that when theorymoning, everyone thought dugtrio would be broken and donphan would eventually fall into obscurity. When they came down, donphan ruled, dugtrio sucked. Now, dugtrio is suspect, and I never see donphan. Of course, with yanmega gone, and moltres will probably be gone soon, he has little to spin for. Especielly when he cant touch swellow with the standard (as I see) set of ice shard, earthquake, spin, stealth rock.
P.S.S.S. damn that was a long post.
^Swellow used U-turn.
Yeah, like i wouldn't know when Swellow uses it...
It's, like, always. Just wait for a opening (a sacrifice, maybe), and voila!
Never blind switch Aggron on Swellow. That's too obvious.
Besides: Froslass is in. Aggron switches. Free Head Smash. Hurt.
Hi my name is Milotic/Blastoise/Fighting-type and I'm supporting those other 4 pokés (By the way I really don't know why Blastoise isn't used more often, I gotta say it's the most reliable spinner I've ever used, except maybe for Hitmontop, who doesn't have the awesome Water-typing).
Hi, that post made no sense at all because the way you talk it sounds like your support can trap and kill all of Aggron checks; as if your opponent didn't know he'll get swept if you remove his Blastoise, Registeel and Torterra (just listing the teams I see everywhere).
Saw the Growth Venusaur set on the last page, and I do think it's quite interesting. Like the SD set, it will get walled by something (At least if you're carrying Sleep Powder). This makes me wonder, would it be worth it dropping Sleep Powder for an extra coverage move?? Something like Growth/Energy Ball/Sludge Bomb/HP Ground or similarly on the SD set: SD/Power Whip/EQ/Return or Outrage. Yes, Venusaur probably lost one of its assets in Sleep Powder, but now it can hit so many more targets.
Interesting, but the problem is it loses out on the practically free set-up that Sleep Powder provides, which is what makes Venusaur so dangerous in the first place.
I'm looking foward to the next round as a good restarting point. I've been a little too busy lately for Shoddy and haven't really sat down and played since the days of Crobat (</3). Since my schedule is slowing down a bit and I finally found my old team (why did it HAVE to be in the temp folder? :\) I guess I should get back to work.
Hopefully at least Froslass manages to get outed this round. Most of my teams had Electrode leads (or Crobat when he was around) and I'm starting to get just a liiiiitle bored of always having the same plan all the time: Taunt to stop spikers, trickers, and status mons, Rain Dance/Light Screen to set up, Explosion so Electrode hopefully damages something, and Thunder/Thunderbolt if Electrode actually manages to live.
Hopefully at least Froslass manages to get outed this round. Most of my teams had Electrode leads (or Crobat when he was around) and I'm starting to get just a liiiiitle bored of always having the same plan all the time: Taunt to stop spikers, trickers, and status mons, Rain Dance/Light Screen to set up, Explosion so Electrode hopefully damages something, and Thunder/Thunderbolt if Electrode actually manages to live.
The entire metagame would suddenly be overfulling with Heracross(es?), Heracross counters, and Pokemon that function as a weaker NU Heracross used by people who are "too cool to use Heracross". Every other post would be "THAT HERACROSS SURE IS BL" and "HERACROSS IS FORCED OUT ONCE BY A SINGLE POKEMON UNDER CERTAIN CONDITIONS IT IS OBVIOUSLY NOT BROKEN".
The metagame would be RUINED FOREVER (again) and we'd have to wait a whole month to have a chance to attempt to kick it out (which would probably fail multiple times). Right after we do, some other overpowered Pokemon drops down and we repeat the process.
Tentacruel seems like it would fit in well. Duskinoir? Hippodowon?
Yuggles
hey that second guy isn't too bad
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