Hey guys. I saw that one fellow’s Dragon thread, and while Bug type ‘mons might not be quite as important metagame-wise, I still wanted to make a topic to discuss what we might be getting from my favorite type in Gen 5.
The new pokemon:
Hahakurimo
75/103/80/70/70/92
Swarm/Chlorophyll
Lv1: False Swipe, Lv1: Tackle, Lv1: String Shot, Lv1: Bug Bite, Lv1: Razor Leaf, Lv8: Bug Bite, Lv15: Razor Leaf, Lv22: [M522], Lv29: Slash, Lv32: Helping Hand, Lv36: Leaf Blade, Lv39: X-Scissor, Lv43: [M494], Lv46: Swords Dance, Lv50: Leaf Storm
Looks like Kricketune, with better stats. I like how it gets both STAB Leaf storm and SD’d X-scissor, but it’s still nothing special. Maybe a contender for UU or NU?
Pendora
60/90/89/55/69/112
Poison Point/Swarm/(Quick Feet)
Lv1: Megahorn, Lv1: Defense Curl, Lv1: Rollout, Lv1: Poison Sting, Lv1: Screech, Lv5: Poison Sting, Lv8: Screech, Lv12: Pursuit, Lv15: Protect, Lv19: Poison Tail, Lv23: Bug Bite, Lv28: [M474], Lv30: Baton Pass, Lv33: Agility, Lv39: [M537], Lv44: Toxic, Lv50: Rock Climb, Lv55: Double-Edge
What a cool design! Too bad it has such crappy stats, lol. 60/89/69 defenses assure it probably isn’t going to be doing much with Poison Point, and 90/112 attack/speed means it isn’t hurting much at all. It does get Baton Pass there, so maybe it’ll be Agility or SD passing in NU.
Iwaparesu
70/95/125/65/75/45
Sturdy/Shell Armor
Lv1: [M504], Lv1: Rock Blast, Lv1: Withdraw, Lv1: Sand-Attack, Lv5: Rock Blast, Lv7: Withdraw, Lv11: Sand-Attack, Lv13: Faint Attack, Lv17: [M479], Lv19: Rock Polish, Lv23: Bug Bite, Lv24: Stealth Rock, Lv29: Rock Slide, Lv31: Slash, Lv38: X-Scissor, Lv43: [M504], Lv50: Flail, Lv55: Rock Wrecker
This might be the first usable guy. His stats seem a little low for OU though, so I see this guy as a big player in UU as it is one of the only pokemon that can learn Stealth Rock in all of Gen 5.
Shubarugo
70/135/105/60/105/20
Swarm/Shell Armor
Lv1: Peck, Lv1: Leer, Lv1: [M501], Lv1: Twineedle, Lv4: Leer, Lv8: [M501], Lv13: Twineedle, Lv16: Fury Attack, Lv20: Headbutt, Lv25: False Swipe, Lv28: Bug Buzz, Lv32: Slash, Lv37: Iron Head, Lv40: Iron Defense, Lv44: X-Scissor, Lv49: Reversal, Lv52: Swords Dance, Lv56: Giga Impact
I’m sure you all know them by heart, but just for comparison Scizor’s stats are 70/130/100/55/80/65. So it’s basically a much slower, slightly more defensive version. Maybe it’ll find a niche somewhere?
Denchura
70/77/60/97/60/108
Compound Eyes/Anxiety/(Swarm)
Lv1: String Shot, Lv1: Leech Life, Lv1: Spider Web, Lv1: Thunder Wave, Lv4: Thunder Wave, Lv7: Screech, Lv12: Fury Cutter, Lv15: [M527], Lv18: Bug Bite, Lv23: Gastro Acid, Lv26: Slash, Lv29: [M486], Lv34: Signal Beam, Lv40: Agility, Lv46: Sucker Punch, Lv54: Discharge, Lv60: Bug Buzz
Here’s one everyone was excited about. And look, it got Bug Buzz after all! I can imagine some really great low OU/high UU sets coming out of this guy. 97 Sp. Atk isn’t great, but Choice Specs Thunders (thanks to compound eyes) have to leave a dent in something. Maybe it’ll get that Electric U-turn move as well?
Agirudaa
80/70/40/100/60/145
Hydration/Sticky Hold/(Unburden)
Lv1: Leech Life, Lv1: [M491], Lv1: Double Team, Lv1: Quick Attack, Lv4: [M491], Lv8: Double Team, Lv13: Quick Attack, Lv16: [M522], Lv20: Mega Drain, Lv25: Swift, Lv28: Me First, Lv32: Agility, Lv37: Giga Drain, Lv40: U-turn, Lv44: Bug Buzz, Lv49: Recover, Lv52: Power Swap, Lv56: [M515]
Oh man, that base speed is something else. I can see this guy being a great scout, especially on Rain Dance teams because it’ll be immune to Paralysis. A bit concerned with that Defense though... Priority moves are going to HURT.
Aianto
58/109/112/48/48/109
Swarm/Hustle
Lv1: Vicegrip, Lv1: Sand-Attack, Lv6: Fury Cutter, Lv11: Bite, Lv16: Agility, Lv21: Metal Claw, Lv26: Bug Bite, Lv31: Crunch, Lv36: Iron Head, Lv41: Dig, Lv46: [M494], Lv51: X-Scissor, Lv56: Iron Defense, Lv61: Guillotine, Lv66: Metal Sound
This guy seems kinda “wait and see” to me. Hustle lowers accuracy, but boosts his already decent Attack. I bet this guy gets Earthquake as well, because he already learns Dig.
Urugamosu
85/60/65/135/105/100
Flame Body/(Swarm)
Lv1: Ember, Lv1: String Shot, Lv1: Leech Life, Lv1: Gust, Lv10: Leech Life, Lv20: Gust, Lv30: Fire Spin, Lv40: Whirlwind, Lv50: Silver Wind, Lv59: [M483], Lv60: Heat Wave, Lv70: Bug Buzz, Lv80: [M476], Lv90: [M542], Lv100: [M552]
Here’s the one I’m most interested in. Since I can freely spin away Stealth Rock now, I think this guy might just have a chance. He might not have the same qualities as the chandelier (60/55/90/145/90/80), but he is decently fast and pretty bulky too! In addition, that move he learns at level 100? [M552]: Special Fire PP: 10 Power: 80 / Accuracy: 100 Effect: May increase user's Special Attack by 1 stage. Cool.
Insekuta
71/120/95/120/95/99
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Lv1: [M546], Lv1: Quick Attack, Lv1: Magnet Rise, Lv1: Metal Claw, Lv1: Screech, Lv7: Fury Cutter, Lv11: Lock-On, Lv18: [M488], Lv22: Magnet Bomb, Lv29: Slash, Lv33: Metal Sound, Lv40: Signal Beam, Lv44: Tri Attack, Lv51: X-Scissor, Lv55: Bug Buzz, Lv62: [M493], Lv66: Zap Cannon, Lv73: Hyper Beam, Lv77: SelfDestruct
This will probably go to Ubers, but darn is it COOL. I bet a mixed/wall breaker set with Bug Buzz and SelfDestruct would be nice.
Older Bugs with new tricks (updated later):
Butterfree:
Beedrill: Sniper
Parasect: Damp
Venomoth:
Scyther: Steadfast
Pinsir:
Ledian: Iron Fist
Ariados: Sniper
Forretress:
Scizor:
Shuckle:
Heracross:
Beautifly: Rivalry
Dustox: Compound Eyes
Masquerain:
Ninjask:
Volbeat:
Illumise:
Armaldo: Swift Swim
Kricketune: Technician
Wormadam:
Mothim: Tinted Lens
Vespiquen:
Yanmega: Frisk
New Bug Moves:
[M476]: Other Bug PP: 20 Power: --- / Accuracy: --- Effect: Whenever an opposing PokÈmon uses an attack with a target of "single non-user" or "single opposing PokÈmon" this round and there is a Pokemon at the position of this attack's user, it is directed to the Pokemon at the position of this attack's user instead of to any other non-user of that attack. Remains effective even if user is replaced. Priority level 3.
[M483]: Other Bug PP: 20 Power: --- / Accuracy: --- Effect: [E122]
[M522]: Special Bug PP: 20 Power: 30 / Accuracy: 100 Effect: May decrease opponent's Special Attack by 1 stage.
[M537]: Physical Bug PP: 20 Power: 65 / Accuracy: 100 Effect: May cause opponent to flinch. Power is doubled if Minimize is in effect for opponent.
Uh, yeah, these seem pretty useless. I do wonder what 483 does though… Anyone know where I can see what the effects do (like [E122])?
Anyways, I hope this doesn't seem like too much just for Bug types, but I thought we could discuss possible competitive roles the new guys might have in the metagame. How do you think Bug will do Offensively vs. Defensively in Gen 5?
The new pokemon:
Hahakurimo
75/103/80/70/70/92
Swarm/Chlorophyll
Lv1: False Swipe, Lv1: Tackle, Lv1: String Shot, Lv1: Bug Bite, Lv1: Razor Leaf, Lv8: Bug Bite, Lv15: Razor Leaf, Lv22: [M522], Lv29: Slash, Lv32: Helping Hand, Lv36: Leaf Blade, Lv39: X-Scissor, Lv43: [M494], Lv46: Swords Dance, Lv50: Leaf Storm
Looks like Kricketune, with better stats. I like how it gets both STAB Leaf storm and SD’d X-scissor, but it’s still nothing special. Maybe a contender for UU or NU?
Pendora
60/90/89/55/69/112
Poison Point/Swarm/(Quick Feet)
Lv1: Megahorn, Lv1: Defense Curl, Lv1: Rollout, Lv1: Poison Sting, Lv1: Screech, Lv5: Poison Sting, Lv8: Screech, Lv12: Pursuit, Lv15: Protect, Lv19: Poison Tail, Lv23: Bug Bite, Lv28: [M474], Lv30: Baton Pass, Lv33: Agility, Lv39: [M537], Lv44: Toxic, Lv50: Rock Climb, Lv55: Double-Edge
What a cool design! Too bad it has such crappy stats, lol. 60/89/69 defenses assure it probably isn’t going to be doing much with Poison Point, and 90/112 attack/speed means it isn’t hurting much at all. It does get Baton Pass there, so maybe it’ll be Agility or SD passing in NU.
Iwaparesu
70/95/125/65/75/45
Sturdy/Shell Armor
Lv1: [M504], Lv1: Rock Blast, Lv1: Withdraw, Lv1: Sand-Attack, Lv5: Rock Blast, Lv7: Withdraw, Lv11: Sand-Attack, Lv13: Faint Attack, Lv17: [M479], Lv19: Rock Polish, Lv23: Bug Bite, Lv24: Stealth Rock, Lv29: Rock Slide, Lv31: Slash, Lv38: X-Scissor, Lv43: [M504], Lv50: Flail, Lv55: Rock Wrecker
This might be the first usable guy. His stats seem a little low for OU though, so I see this guy as a big player in UU as it is one of the only pokemon that can learn Stealth Rock in all of Gen 5.
Shubarugo
70/135/105/60/105/20
Swarm/Shell Armor
Lv1: Peck, Lv1: Leer, Lv1: [M501], Lv1: Twineedle, Lv4: Leer, Lv8: [M501], Lv13: Twineedle, Lv16: Fury Attack, Lv20: Headbutt, Lv25: False Swipe, Lv28: Bug Buzz, Lv32: Slash, Lv37: Iron Head, Lv40: Iron Defense, Lv44: X-Scissor, Lv49: Reversal, Lv52: Swords Dance, Lv56: Giga Impact
I’m sure you all know them by heart, but just for comparison Scizor’s stats are 70/130/100/55/80/65. So it’s basically a much slower, slightly more defensive version. Maybe it’ll find a niche somewhere?
Denchura
70/77/60/97/60/108
Compound Eyes/Anxiety/(Swarm)
Lv1: String Shot, Lv1: Leech Life, Lv1: Spider Web, Lv1: Thunder Wave, Lv4: Thunder Wave, Lv7: Screech, Lv12: Fury Cutter, Lv15: [M527], Lv18: Bug Bite, Lv23: Gastro Acid, Lv26: Slash, Lv29: [M486], Lv34: Signal Beam, Lv40: Agility, Lv46: Sucker Punch, Lv54: Discharge, Lv60: Bug Buzz
Here’s one everyone was excited about. And look, it got Bug Buzz after all! I can imagine some really great low OU/high UU sets coming out of this guy. 97 Sp. Atk isn’t great, but Choice Specs Thunders (thanks to compound eyes) have to leave a dent in something. Maybe it’ll get that Electric U-turn move as well?
80/70/40/100/60/145
Hydration/Sticky Hold/(Unburden)
Lv1: Leech Life, Lv1: [M491], Lv1: Double Team, Lv1: Quick Attack, Lv4: [M491], Lv8: Double Team, Lv13: Quick Attack, Lv16: [M522], Lv20: Mega Drain, Lv25: Swift, Lv28: Me First, Lv32: Agility, Lv37: Giga Drain, Lv40: U-turn, Lv44: Bug Buzz, Lv49: Recover, Lv52: Power Swap, Lv56: [M515]
Oh man, that base speed is something else. I can see this guy being a great scout, especially on Rain Dance teams because it’ll be immune to Paralysis. A bit concerned with that Defense though... Priority moves are going to HURT.
Aianto
58/109/112/48/48/109
Swarm/Hustle
Lv1: Vicegrip, Lv1: Sand-Attack, Lv6: Fury Cutter, Lv11: Bite, Lv16: Agility, Lv21: Metal Claw, Lv26: Bug Bite, Lv31: Crunch, Lv36: Iron Head, Lv41: Dig, Lv46: [M494], Lv51: X-Scissor, Lv56: Iron Defense, Lv61: Guillotine, Lv66: Metal Sound
This guy seems kinda “wait and see” to me. Hustle lowers accuracy, but boosts his already decent Attack. I bet this guy gets Earthquake as well, because he already learns Dig.
Urugamosu
85/60/65/135/105/100
Flame Body/(Swarm)
Lv1: Ember, Lv1: String Shot, Lv1: Leech Life, Lv1: Gust, Lv10: Leech Life, Lv20: Gust, Lv30: Fire Spin, Lv40: Whirlwind, Lv50: Silver Wind, Lv59: [M483], Lv60: Heat Wave, Lv70: Bug Buzz, Lv80: [M476], Lv90: [M542], Lv100: [M552]
Here’s the one I’m most interested in. Since I can freely spin away Stealth Rock now, I think this guy might just have a chance. He might not have the same qualities as the chandelier (60/55/90/145/90/80), but he is decently fast and pretty bulky too! In addition, that move he learns at level 100? [M552]: Special Fire PP: 10 Power: 80 / Accuracy: 100 Effect: May increase user's Special Attack by 1 stage. Cool.
Insekuta
71/120/95/120/95/99
Download
Lv1: [M546], Lv1: Quick Attack, Lv1: Magnet Rise, Lv1: Metal Claw, Lv1: Screech, Lv7: Fury Cutter, Lv11: Lock-On, Lv18: [M488], Lv22: Magnet Bomb, Lv29: Slash, Lv33: Metal Sound, Lv40: Signal Beam, Lv44: Tri Attack, Lv51: X-Scissor, Lv55: Bug Buzz, Lv62: [M493], Lv66: Zap Cannon, Lv73: Hyper Beam, Lv77: SelfDestruct
This will probably go to Ubers, but darn is it COOL. I bet a mixed/wall breaker set with Bug Buzz and SelfDestruct would be nice.
Older Bugs with new tricks (updated later):
Butterfree:
Beedrill: Sniper
Parasect: Damp
Venomoth:
Scyther: Steadfast
Pinsir:
Ledian: Iron Fist
Ariados: Sniper
Forretress:
Scizor:
Shuckle:
Heracross:
Beautifly: Rivalry
Dustox: Compound Eyes
Masquerain:
Ninjask:
Volbeat:
Illumise:
Armaldo: Swift Swim
Kricketune: Technician
Wormadam:
Mothim: Tinted Lens
Vespiquen:
Yanmega: Frisk
New Bug Moves:
[M476]: Other Bug PP: 20 Power: --- / Accuracy: --- Effect: Whenever an opposing PokÈmon uses an attack with a target of "single non-user" or "single opposing PokÈmon" this round and there is a Pokemon at the position of this attack's user, it is directed to the Pokemon at the position of this attack's user instead of to any other non-user of that attack. Remains effective even if user is replaced. Priority level 3.
[M483]: Other Bug PP: 20 Power: --- / Accuracy: --- Effect: [E122]
[M522]: Special Bug PP: 20 Power: 30 / Accuracy: 100 Effect: May decrease opponent's Special Attack by 1 stage.
[M537]: Physical Bug PP: 20 Power: 65 / Accuracy: 100 Effect: May cause opponent to flinch. Power is doubled if Minimize is in effect for opponent.
Uh, yeah, these seem pretty useless. I do wonder what 483 does though… Anyone know where I can see what the effects do (like [E122])?
Anyways, I hope this doesn't seem like too much just for Bug types, but I thought we could discuss possible competitive roles the new guys might have in the metagame. How do you think Bug will do Offensively vs. Defensively in Gen 5?
