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Salamence
- Thread starter Aerrow
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but remember that if mence kills enough poke's, dragon claw will eventually be better than outrage...
But Salamence has to get those kills without Outrage. If he gets multiple kills in one switch-in, it probably means that there isn't much your opponent could do to stop him with or without the Attack boosts.
Yeah killing with Dragon Claw is much more difficult than killing with Outrage due to the big power difference so getting those boosts might not be as easy. Of course there's Draco Meteor but then Salamence would have to drop out either Fire Blast or Earthquake (assuming you're using a DDMence) and both are somewhat necessary for those Steels. Overconfidence does seem to be the superior ability for a Choice'd Mence though.
Draco meteor on a dd set? I don't find that at all effecient.
Intimidate is a pretty obvious skill. If Salamence switches in and doesn't intimidate me, I'll know he has this Overconfidence skill, and from there I could easily choose to switch out my Pokemon into one that doesn't get ohkod... if I'm even worried about his attack boost. Without Intimidate, the Pokemon Salamence is up against may attack or switch out: same with Intimidate but on Physically-oriented opponents, we'll know for sure they'll do less damage to Salamence in the case they attack.
That bit about "after one kill" should not be taken lightly. Especially not without the option of using Outrage.
And as I explained, it's not that simple. Chances are, Salamence already has +1 Attack from Dragon Dance, so it's +2 Dragon Claw vs. +1 Outrage. +2 Dragon Claw has 160 BP while +1 Outrage has 180 BP, so Outrage is still stronger.
True true. My bad. I guess the new Mence is just a different style of Pokemon. I now think Overconfidence/EarthquakeSpiral Mence is more like one of those Charge Beam users packing a whole lot more punch (since every move he gets essentially has a physical charge beam attached).
Okay with every DD the difference between Outrage and Dragon Claw grows. But considering that Outrage will cause Confusion (even more deadly with Atk boosts), locks you in and leaves you vulnerable to Steel-types, Dragon Claw is still a good option. A loss of 20 BP after one DD isn't that great to be honest. Yeah this is going back to the Outrage vs. Dragon Claw debate which has existed for years but in this case where it's one or the other I think DD + Overconfidence + Dragon Claw would still work well.
If you kill something with Salamence, chances are that they will send out something that can revenge kill it or at least force it out, which usually means being faster or having strong enough priority. This will stop the Overconfidence sweep cold. If they don't send out something like that, it's likely they have nothing left that can stop Salamence regardless of the boost of Overconfidence.
The fact that you can't get Outrage with Overconfidence seals its fate because Outrage is one of Salamence's main tools for scoring kills. That being said, Outrage would still be problematic with Overconfidence because of the confusion.
In general, it would be a different matter if Overconfidence boosted speed since scoring kills usually means having enough raw attacking power already. The ideal situation for Overconfidence would probably be catching something on a mispredicted switch for a free KO.
The fact that you can't get Outrage with Overconfidence seals its fate because Outrage is one of Salamence's main tools for scoring kills. That being said, Outrage would still be problematic with Overconfidence because of the confusion.
In general, it would be a different matter if Overconfidence boosted speed since scoring kills usually means having enough raw attacking power already. The ideal situation for Overconfidence would probably be catching something on a mispredicted switch for a free KO.
Much of the bulk comes from having Indimidate to weaken physically attacking Pokemon it switches into.
^huh Intimidate does not weaken switch-ins. Guessing it's a typo.
But if you're going bulky then Intimidate is clearly a better option. The DD + Roost set that has existed for years worked because Salamence could set-up on stuff like Gyarados and Lucario.
But if you're going bulky then Intimidate is clearly a better option. The DD + Roost set that has existed for years worked because Salamence could set-up on stuff like Gyarados and Lucario.
Yeah, that's what I meant. It gives Salamence a much easier switch-in by weakening the physical power of the Pokemon it switches into.
It's not so much bad as just... not really ever worth using.
I'm starting to think breeding dream world pokemon can provide you with a CHANCE of being born with the DW ability. That would explain all the conflicting reports.
This has already been confirmed.
Agreeing with this.
New MixMence can attempt to sweep late-game with Outrage - a situation in which Overconfidence can prove extremely useful? Intimidate is definitely a useful ability but Overconfidence works on pretty much every offensive set I feel.