VOTE FOR 2 OR MORE WALLS. ONE FOR EITHER CHANSEY OR BLISSEY, AND THE OTHER FOR THE PHYSICAL WALLS
It's fine if you want to vote more than one physical wall or mixed wall. Make at least 2 votes though. The final number of vote between Chansey and Blissey will decide which pink blob is preferred by most players.
Despite the huge number of offensive titans in Ubers , many walls exist to check them. Some are general purpose walls, others hold specific countering utility roles, but all of them have proven their prowess on not only stall teams but balanced teams as well or even offense.
We should not use the statistics from the Beta server to determine which wall is the most common and best overall.
The most common and best Special Walls are too obvious.
Blissey Defenses: 255 / 10 / 135
Chansey Defenses: 250 HP / 5 Def / 105 SpD ( +1 for both defenses due to the Evoilte item boost)
The greatest special walls in OU are the foundation of Ubers Stall. It is easily the nemesis of many special threats such as Latios, Dialga, Mewtwo, and others. Wish and Aromatherapy help it support the team even further. These blobs are such a threat that every team should have a plan to defeat it. It can wall almost any Arceus forme utilizing Special attacks unless that Arceus is a Steel, Poison type or is using Refresh.
Kyogre gets a special mention for its ability to 2HKO both with Specs Water Spout. Substitute+Calm Mind users, such as Giratina-O, have an easy time defeating the pink blobs. Chansey has the advantage of having significantly better physical defense while Blissey has Leftovers recovery which softens passive damage and takes smaller hits better. Zekrom can bash through both with Bolt Strike so a teammate must be considered to absorb that. Mewtwo can now 2HKO both with Psystrike which hits physically.
Lugia Defenses: 106 / 130 / 154
Lugia is perhaps the best general purpose wall in the game, countering threats such as Rayquaza, Garchomp, Groudon, Scizor, Ho-Oh and Bulk Up Dialga. With its access to both Reflect and Light Screen, instant recovery in the form of Roost , Whirlwind for phazing, and Pressure to stall PP, Lugia can be a nuisance to take down. It is also difficult to prey on Lugia's somewhat untouched but still impressive Special Defense, as Lugia can even survive 2 Thunders without a Specially Defensive spread. With defenses soaring over other Ubers not named Giratina, Lugia is incredibly hard to be killed without powerful attack such as Reshiram's Choice Specs Blue Fire in the sun, and even that can be foiled with an unsuspecting Light Screen. Lugia does have some flaws though. It's mediocre offenses, couple with the extreme vulnerability to Toxic, means Lugia has to be careful switching on certain threats. Lugia will not enjoy a Toxic to the face from the threat it will be countering.
There are some effective checks for Lugia exist in the Ubers tier. Darkrai in particular laughs at most Lugia sets and can use Dark Void or set up a Substitute, after which he can use Nasty Plot to threaten a sweep. Bare in mind Lugia can easily swallow a Dark Pulse if it has to and phaze Darkrai with Dragon Tail or Whirlwind. Zekrom can threaten Lugia but it must not come in on Reflect or it risks getting stalled out.
Groudon Defenses: 100 / 140 / 90
Groudon is the most common pokemon seen in Ubers Stall teams, and is often used to set up Stealth Rock and sun. After a stall player loses a Pokémon or has a Blissey dealing with a potent mixed attacker such as Palkia, Groudon is often the switch-in, interrupting the rain with his ability. He is an excellent Terrakion or Tyranitar counter. Groudon has tremendous physical bulk which allows it to stomach even a +2 Outrage from Rayquaza. On the offensive side, Groudon is no slouch either. Base 150 Attack is the highest any wall can get, STAB Earthquake tears down most frail pokemon such as Mewtwo or Darkrai.
However, Groudon does have several disadvantages that an offensive player can exploit. The lack of recovery diminishes its walling potential dramatically, forcing it to rely on Wish in order to survive. A Kyogre can revenge kill a Groudon fairly easily with a rain-boosted Water Spout or Surf. If Shaymin-S enters on an Earthquake, a Seed Flare is all it needs to end Groudon's life. A Mewtwo or Deoxys-A can do the same with Grass Knot or Ice Beam so long as it avoids an Earthquake (or an attack, in the case of the latter), and Darkrai can shut down the Supporting set completely while setting up. Groudon's moderate Special Defense can be easily exploited by Mixed sweepers such as Palkia. The sun Groudon brings also attrats Reshiram to unleash it's might Blue Flare.
Skarmory Defenses: Defenses: 65 / 140 / 70
Skarmory is still a very reliable Spiker in Ubers today due to its access to instant recovery. Taunt and Whirlwind can prove even more annoying to incoming special attackers looking to set up on the metal bird. Skarmory can repeatedly come in on threats like Swords Dance Arceus, set up Spikes, and Roost off the damage, which can make your opponent suffer. Skarmory still has its limits in physical walling however. a +2 Outrage from Rayquaza is a guaranteed 2HKO even on physically defensive Skarmory. A Fire Punch from Offensive Groudon can nearly OHKO most Uber Skarmory after Stealth Rock damage.
You should make sure your attacks strike for over 56% damage in order to kill Skarmory, as the instant recovery complicates matters. Be warned: Skarmory, just like Forretress, tends to exploit its excellent typing by investing in Special Defense, which can do things like turn a special MixPalkia's Spacial Rend into a 4HKO if a Careful nature is used. Skarmory also has that unique typing which allows it to check physical threats even when using a Specially defensive spread. Zekrom and Reshiram can ignore Sturdy and OHKO Skarmory directly with their super effective STAB moves.
Giratina Defenses: Defenses: 150 / 120 / 120
If you are just judging a wall by it's raw bulk, Giratina will never disappoint you. That titanic HP combined with twin base 120 defenses, make Giratina the bulkiest Uber available. Giratina is a staple of Classical Ubers Stall for that reason alone and its ability to block Rapid Spin (courtesy of the Ghost typing), along with crippling physical attackers with Will-O-Wisp. It is not as effective in pure walling as Lugia because of the disappointing weakness to Dragon-type moves, the lack of instant recovery, and no access to dual screens.
Giratina can harass many physical attackers with status, and if Will-O-Wisp happens to hit a mixed attacker, then the pink blobs can easily stall it out. Also, the Water-type and Electric-type resistances that Giratina possesses, combined with its remarkable Special Defense, let it wall Choiced Palkia or Dialga variants not locked into Dragon attacks. However, the two scarfers usually love to spam their awesome Dragon STAB attacks.
Dialga can OHKO most Giratina with Draco Meteor. A Bulk Up Dialga can use Rest to remove Will-O-Wisp as well. Darkrai and Mewtwo can come in on a Rest and use Taunt, thus shutting down Giratina and giving them a chance to set up. If the Giratina is the rarer Calm Mind user, Tyranitar defeats it with Crunch. Ghost, Steel, Psychic, Dark and the rare Ice Arceus can all beat Calm Mind Giratina one-on-one.
Arceus Defenses: 120 / 120 / 120
The most versatile of all walls, Arceus can fit in on almost any team. Almost any variant can turn itself into a wall. The most common Arceus wall is the Normal type Arceus wall utilizing Roar, Will-O-Wisp, Return and Recover. Ghost Arceus and Grass Arceus are also very notable walls. Arceus can also use Perish Song to stop end game sweepers, something no other wall can boast about. Arceus has access to the reliable Recover which makes taking it down can be frustrating. Like Lugia, Arceus is completely screwed if it comes in on
Toxic.
Counters to Arceus depends entirely on the the type. Fighting types such as Heracross can destroy Normal Arceus while Tyranitar can brutalize Ghost Arceus with Crunch.
NOTE: There are plenty of bulky pokemon such as Ho-Oh or Kyogre who aren't mentioned here. Discuss about your favorite walls here. Any wall you think are effective can be posted here as well. The most common walls are mentioned above because of obvious reasons. You can vote for multiple choices.
Everyone please make at least 2 votes.
1st Vote: Please vote whether you like Chansey or Blissey more. Both are similar but in terms of effectiveness from your experience, please pick one which seems to be better for you. From the total votes, we can see whether most players prefer Chansey OR Blissey as their Special Wall.
2nd Vote: Another vote for which is the best physical or all purpose wall. It's fine if you want to vote for more than 1 wall for this section, say Groudon and Lugia. Please do not vote for both Chansey and Blissey, pick one. It is impossible to put more than one poll in a thread so we have to vote it this way or make separate threads for physical or special walls which I do not want to.
So an example vote will be Chansey, Lugia and Groudon.
Please state the reasons why you nominated the walls in the poll. Simple reasons and explanations will do as long as the reason is clear.
An example will be:
Chansey: She has much better overall physical bulk and slightly better Special Defense score than Blissey. Even though she lacks the ability to use Special Attacks like Blissey, Chansey only needs Seismic Toss and Toxic to demolish most Special sweepers such as Reshiram. The extra physical defense helps tremendously when pitted against mixed sweepers such as Palkia or Giratina-O.
Lugia: The best all purpose wall in the game, thanks to awesome defensive stats and a very impressive Speed stat. The ability to hold Leftovers (something non Normal Arceus can hold), Pressure, extra special bulk and immunity to Spikes are major advantages it has over other physical walls. Dragon Tail allows it to do some damage and phaze through Taunt at the same time. Lugia also handles Mixed attackers better than most walls due to its amazing defenses on both sides.
Groudon: The backbone of many stall teams. Groudon summons eternal sunlight on the field severely weakening key sweepers such as Kyogre and Kingdra. The enormous physical bulk also helps Groudon swallow huge hits and the lack of Dragon weakness helps stop Dragon sweepers. A massive attack score and Dragon Tail grants it the ability to stop many physical threats such as Rayquaza. STAB Earthquake coming from the Ground titan can also leave gaping holes on offensive threats.
It's fine if you want to vote more than one physical wall or mixed wall. Make at least 2 votes though. The final number of vote between Chansey and Blissey will decide which pink blob is preferred by most players.
Despite the huge number of offensive titans in Ubers , many walls exist to check them. Some are general purpose walls, others hold specific countering utility roles, but all of them have proven their prowess on not only stall teams but balanced teams as well or even offense.
We should not use the statistics from the Beta server to determine which wall is the most common and best overall.
The most common and best Special Walls are too obvious.
Blissey Defenses: 255 / 10 / 135
Chansey Defenses: 250 HP / 5 Def / 105 SpD ( +1 for both defenses due to the Evoilte item boost)
The greatest special walls in OU are the foundation of Ubers Stall. It is easily the nemesis of many special threats such as Latios, Dialga, Mewtwo, and others. Wish and Aromatherapy help it support the team even further. These blobs are such a threat that every team should have a plan to defeat it. It can wall almost any Arceus forme utilizing Special attacks unless that Arceus is a Steel, Poison type or is using Refresh.
Kyogre gets a special mention for its ability to 2HKO both with Specs Water Spout. Substitute+Calm Mind users, such as Giratina-O, have an easy time defeating the pink blobs. Chansey has the advantage of having significantly better physical defense while Blissey has Leftovers recovery which softens passive damage and takes smaller hits better. Zekrom can bash through both with Bolt Strike so a teammate must be considered to absorb that. Mewtwo can now 2HKO both with Psystrike which hits physically.
Lugia Defenses: 106 / 130 / 154
Lugia is perhaps the best general purpose wall in the game, countering threats such as Rayquaza, Garchomp, Groudon, Scizor, Ho-Oh and Bulk Up Dialga. With its access to both Reflect and Light Screen, instant recovery in the form of Roost , Whirlwind for phazing, and Pressure to stall PP, Lugia can be a nuisance to take down. It is also difficult to prey on Lugia's somewhat untouched but still impressive Special Defense, as Lugia can even survive 2 Thunders without a Specially Defensive spread. With defenses soaring over other Ubers not named Giratina, Lugia is incredibly hard to be killed without powerful attack such as Reshiram's Choice Specs Blue Fire in the sun, and even that can be foiled with an unsuspecting Light Screen. Lugia does have some flaws though. It's mediocre offenses, couple with the extreme vulnerability to Toxic, means Lugia has to be careful switching on certain threats. Lugia will not enjoy a Toxic to the face from the threat it will be countering.
There are some effective checks for Lugia exist in the Ubers tier. Darkrai in particular laughs at most Lugia sets and can use Dark Void or set up a Substitute, after which he can use Nasty Plot to threaten a sweep. Bare in mind Lugia can easily swallow a Dark Pulse if it has to and phaze Darkrai with Dragon Tail or Whirlwind. Zekrom can threaten Lugia but it must not come in on Reflect or it risks getting stalled out.
Groudon Defenses: 100 / 140 / 90
Groudon is the most common pokemon seen in Ubers Stall teams, and is often used to set up Stealth Rock and sun. After a stall player loses a Pokémon or has a Blissey dealing with a potent mixed attacker such as Palkia, Groudon is often the switch-in, interrupting the rain with his ability. He is an excellent Terrakion or Tyranitar counter. Groudon has tremendous physical bulk which allows it to stomach even a +2 Outrage from Rayquaza. On the offensive side, Groudon is no slouch either. Base 150 Attack is the highest any wall can get, STAB Earthquake tears down most frail pokemon such as Mewtwo or Darkrai.
However, Groudon does have several disadvantages that an offensive player can exploit. The lack of recovery diminishes its walling potential dramatically, forcing it to rely on Wish in order to survive. A Kyogre can revenge kill a Groudon fairly easily with a rain-boosted Water Spout or Surf. If Shaymin-S enters on an Earthquake, a Seed Flare is all it needs to end Groudon's life. A Mewtwo or Deoxys-A can do the same with Grass Knot or Ice Beam so long as it avoids an Earthquake (or an attack, in the case of the latter), and Darkrai can shut down the Supporting set completely while setting up. Groudon's moderate Special Defense can be easily exploited by Mixed sweepers such as Palkia. The sun Groudon brings also attrats Reshiram to unleash it's might Blue Flare.
Skarmory Defenses: Defenses: 65 / 140 / 70
Skarmory is still a very reliable Spiker in Ubers today due to its access to instant recovery. Taunt and Whirlwind can prove even more annoying to incoming special attackers looking to set up on the metal bird. Skarmory can repeatedly come in on threats like Swords Dance Arceus, set up Spikes, and Roost off the damage, which can make your opponent suffer. Skarmory still has its limits in physical walling however. a +2 Outrage from Rayquaza is a guaranteed 2HKO even on physically defensive Skarmory. A Fire Punch from Offensive Groudon can nearly OHKO most Uber Skarmory after Stealth Rock damage.
You should make sure your attacks strike for over 56% damage in order to kill Skarmory, as the instant recovery complicates matters. Be warned: Skarmory, just like Forretress, tends to exploit its excellent typing by investing in Special Defense, which can do things like turn a special MixPalkia's Spacial Rend into a 4HKO if a Careful nature is used. Skarmory also has that unique typing which allows it to check physical threats even when using a Specially defensive spread. Zekrom and Reshiram can ignore Sturdy and OHKO Skarmory directly with their super effective STAB moves.
Giratina Defenses: Defenses: 150 / 120 / 120
If you are just judging a wall by it's raw bulk, Giratina will never disappoint you. That titanic HP combined with twin base 120 defenses, make Giratina the bulkiest Uber available. Giratina is a staple of Classical Ubers Stall for that reason alone and its ability to block Rapid Spin (courtesy of the Ghost typing), along with crippling physical attackers with Will-O-Wisp. It is not as effective in pure walling as Lugia because of the disappointing weakness to Dragon-type moves, the lack of instant recovery, and no access to dual screens.
Giratina can harass many physical attackers with status, and if Will-O-Wisp happens to hit a mixed attacker, then the pink blobs can easily stall it out. Also, the Water-type and Electric-type resistances that Giratina possesses, combined with its remarkable Special Defense, let it wall Choiced Palkia or Dialga variants not locked into Dragon attacks. However, the two scarfers usually love to spam their awesome Dragon STAB attacks.
Dialga can OHKO most Giratina with Draco Meteor. A Bulk Up Dialga can use Rest to remove Will-O-Wisp as well. Darkrai and Mewtwo can come in on a Rest and use Taunt, thus shutting down Giratina and giving them a chance to set up. If the Giratina is the rarer Calm Mind user, Tyranitar defeats it with Crunch. Ghost, Steel, Psychic, Dark and the rare Ice Arceus can all beat Calm Mind Giratina one-on-one.
Arceus Defenses: 120 / 120 / 120
The most versatile of all walls, Arceus can fit in on almost any team. Almost any variant can turn itself into a wall. The most common Arceus wall is the Normal type Arceus wall utilizing Roar, Will-O-Wisp, Return and Recover. Ghost Arceus and Grass Arceus are also very notable walls. Arceus can also use Perish Song to stop end game sweepers, something no other wall can boast about. Arceus has access to the reliable Recover which makes taking it down can be frustrating. Like Lugia, Arceus is completely screwed if it comes in on
Toxic.
Counters to Arceus depends entirely on the the type. Fighting types such as Heracross can destroy Normal Arceus while Tyranitar can brutalize Ghost Arceus with Crunch.
NOTE: There are plenty of bulky pokemon such as Ho-Oh or Kyogre who aren't mentioned here. Discuss about your favorite walls here. Any wall you think are effective can be posted here as well. The most common walls are mentioned above because of obvious reasons. You can vote for multiple choices.
Everyone please make at least 2 votes.
1st Vote: Please vote whether you like Chansey or Blissey more. Both are similar but in terms of effectiveness from your experience, please pick one which seems to be better for you. From the total votes, we can see whether most players prefer Chansey OR Blissey as their Special Wall.
2nd Vote: Another vote for which is the best physical or all purpose wall. It's fine if you want to vote for more than 1 wall for this section, say Groudon and Lugia. Please do not vote for both Chansey and Blissey, pick one. It is impossible to put more than one poll in a thread so we have to vote it this way or make separate threads for physical or special walls which I do not want to.
So an example vote will be Chansey, Lugia and Groudon.
Please state the reasons why you nominated the walls in the poll. Simple reasons and explanations will do as long as the reason is clear.
An example will be:
Chansey: She has much better overall physical bulk and slightly better Special Defense score than Blissey. Even though she lacks the ability to use Special Attacks like Blissey, Chansey only needs Seismic Toss and Toxic to demolish most Special sweepers such as Reshiram. The extra physical defense helps tremendously when pitted against mixed sweepers such as Palkia or Giratina-O.
Lugia: The best all purpose wall in the game, thanks to awesome defensive stats and a very impressive Speed stat. The ability to hold Leftovers (something non Normal Arceus can hold), Pressure, extra special bulk and immunity to Spikes are major advantages it has over other physical walls. Dragon Tail allows it to do some damage and phaze through Taunt at the same time. Lugia also handles Mixed attackers better than most walls due to its amazing defenses on both sides.
Groudon: The backbone of many stall teams. Groudon summons eternal sunlight on the field severely weakening key sweepers such as Kyogre and Kingdra. The enormous physical bulk also helps Groudon swallow huge hits and the lack of Dragon weakness helps stop Dragon sweepers. A massive attack score and Dragon Tail grants it the ability to stop many physical threats such as Rayquaza. STAB Earthquake coming from the Ground titan can also leave gaping holes on offensive threats.
