And I assume your "wtf" refers to MK and I playing as beginners.
nope. dont know anything about you two as players
also sam is right, beginner games do need to be smaller
2. Is it really best that we have exiled the Beginners to their own playground where all the "adults" don't have to deal with them? Do they really learn better that way? I agree that all the villagers in this game didn't learn much of anything, but I'd like to think that my mafia teammates learned a fair bit from watching how I played. I also think that newbies playing strictly with newbies doesn't get them as far as playing with better players does.
there's a difference between an expert player playing beginner and beginners playing big/expert games. generally the beginners will be pushed around and relegated to pawns, so standard/beginner games are better for them to get a chance at any action (united mafias are the easiest way to learn). unfortunately we seem to have closed the gap between beginner and standard. beginner games should be smaller, less complicated, and only beginners should be playing them. if there aren't enough, cancel the game, combine roles, or go recruiting. beginner games aren't meant to be the gated area that parents put the toddlers in to stop them from getting in harm, they're supposed to be a simple introduction to the dynamics of smogon mafia. a lot of standard games nowadays play experimentally, which isn't an optimal learning environment. there is no reason a new player can't learn in a big game, we didn't always have beginner games, but it's significantly harder, and they tend to repeatedly fuck up, which, i'll be honest, is annoying. they're newbies and when they make mistakes usually whoever is affected by it gets over it pretty fast in light of that knowledge, but it's also hard for them to get into these games and if they get a reputation as a moron hosts won't pick them.
also, re. mentors: we had partner mafia, it wasn't that successful, didn't help the host accidentally fucked their own game up but we all make mistakes. it was sort of like bring your kid to work day instead of any real education
but i would approve of another partner mafia being held, it might be more successful, though we'd have to find a great quantity of good players and match them up with newbies. i was making one myself but decided i didn't care enough
this might be better as an OSI thread, but it'll die quickly there too