It's more the fact that:Barely anything worth disguising as learn Dark Pulse; that's not the best reason to run it over Night Daze imo.
If you're using Zoroark to use Dark Pulse disguised as another pokemon that actually uses Dark Pulse, you might as well have used the disguise pokemon to start with, and put something more useful on your team than a Zoroark that tries to surprise the opponent by doing nothing surprising.It's more the fact that:
Night Daze = Absolutely Completely Zoroark
Dark Pulse = Probably Zoroark ...but what if?
Night Daze won't be netting KOs that Dark Pulse can't, it can miss, and it doesn't have a flinch chance. The accuracy loss relies on successive luck to reap the benefits. Choosing Night Daze and in the process also losing some synergy with Illusion seems unwise, you may as well not be running Zoroark in that case.
Yes, that's exactly what I was trying to say. :)If you're using Zoroark to use Dark Pulse disguised as another pokemon that actually uses Dark Pulse, you might as well have used the disguise pokemon to start with, and put something more useful on your team than a Zoroark that tries to surprise the opponent by doing nothing surprising.
Edit: That being said, Dark Pulse is still better for the other reasons you mentioned. Just don't use Zoroark like that.
I actually disagree with this. I do use Dark Pulse, but I also sometimes disguise Zoroark as someone who can learn it. In order for it to work though, you have to do one of two things:If you're using Zoroark to use Dark Pulse disguised as another pokemon that actually uses Dark Pulse, you might as well have used the disguise pokemon to start with, and put something more useful on your team than a Zoroark that tries to surprise the opponent by doing nothing surprising.
Edit: That being said, Dark Pulse is still better for the other reasons you mentioned. Just don't use Zoroark like that.
That's the exact same thing though. If Dark Pulse does decent damage, then they know it's not actually a Weavile. That works, but it's not like it would have been any different if you had used Flamethrower or w/e since your opponent knows anyway as soon as you attack.I actually disagree with this. I do use Dark Pulse, but I also sometimes disguise Zoroark as someone who can learn it. In order for it to work though, you have to do one of two things:
1) Have the Pokemon you are disguising it as have a vastly different coverage move pool (not easy to do)
2) Disguise as a gimmick. This is the better one. I don't know how many times I have had people laugh at my NP Dark Pulse "Weavile" only to be destroyed by Zoroark. Additionally, disguising as someone like Weavile can trick your opponent into switching to a Physical wall rather than a special one.
The key to using Zoroark is to trick your opponent. If you can lull them into thinking that you are being stupid or that they have an advantage, you can win. Just because the disguise is similar to Zoro itself does not mean it is a bad disguise.
This won't work against competent opponents. Weavile never runs Dark Pulse and Zoroark's appearance in team preview will instantly tip your opponent off. Its the same with pretty much any Pokemon that doesn't "use" Dark Pulse (like Gengar and Heatran, stop mentioning them as partners -_-), you can't pull the bluff off against smart opponents.I actually disagree with this. I do use Dark Pulse, but I also sometimes disguise Zoroark as someone who can learn it. In order for it to work though, you have to do one of two things:
1) Have the Pokemon you are disguising it as have a vastly different coverage move pool (not easy to do)
2) Disguise as a gimmick. This is the better one. I don't know how many times I have had people laugh at my NP Dark Pulse "Weavile" only to be destroyed by Zoroark. Additionally, disguising as someone like Weavile can trick your opponent into switching to a Physical wall rather than a special one.
The key to using Zoroark is to trick your opponent. If you can lull them into thinking that you are being stupid or that they have an advantage, you can win. Just because the disguise is similar to Zoro itself does not mean it is a bad disguise.
The only exception to this is if Zoroark acts as a lead, which actually can be viable for scamming others since there are no entry hazards just yet. However, Fake Out ruins it for ZoroarkBasically with Zoroark, team preview is ****ing it over. All you need to do is toss up some hazards and Zoroark's disguise will be blown 9/10 times, making it just another random shitmon. WAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYY too many flying/ levitate/ steel/ SR resists for Zoroark to be able to get an actual disguise.
I think they'll start noticing if you get a good match up and actually deal some damage, so it's really only good on it's first switch in (after a KO), before it actually takes SS damage. If you haven't KOed the opponents Excadrill/Terakion counter in that one turn, it's kinda dead weight.use team preview to see excadril and terrakion counters.
if there are skarmories:
flamethrower when it sees excadrill
glicor:
hp ice when it sees excadrill
tangrowth: flamethrower
slowbro: dark pulse.
all are ohkoed and makes way for an excadrill sweep.
balloon is for the extra awesomeness since illusion doesnt copy itemss and excadrill with balloon is common.
only problems are stealth rock and ss damage but no one notices.
except that Excadrill and Terrakion don't take sandstorm damage, kinda wierd when an excadrill comes in and loses 18.75% isn't it?YOU GUYS ARE USING IT WRONG.
NO
NO
NO
thats not how you use it.
heres how you REALLYYY USE IT.
use a sandstorm team.
disguise it as excadrill as terrakion
use a set
@expert belt/balloon
-hp ice
-flamethrower
-dark pulse
-focus blast
use team preview to see excadril and terrakion counters.
if there are skarmories:
flamethrower when it sees excadrill
glicor:
hp ice when it sees excadrill
tangrowth: flamethrower
slowbro: dark pulse.
all are ohkoed and makes way for an excadrill sweep.
balloon is for the extra awesomeness since illusion doesnt copy itemss and excadrill with balloon is common.
only problems are stealth rock and ss damage but no one notices.
Uhh... Hydreigon? Though I doubt they would work well together, because of the compounded Fighting and Bug weakness.The only Pokemon who uses Dark Pulse competitively besides Zoroark are Spiritomb (pressure ruins the disguise) and Houndoom (Stealth Rock weak)
:/
You didn't have any types of hazards on the field? Stealth Rock or Spikes would have been an indicator.Even when you know the other guy has a Zoroark, you still can't know and that's the brilliance of it. I just lost to a guy cloaking Zoroark as Zapdos, except that it wasn't Zoroark and the Zapdos raped.
A competitive player would know Excadrill doesn't get flamethrower.Lol most of the guys i play are like
"wtf what kind of excadrill has flamethrowe"
*sends out tyranitar*
"wtfff what kind of excadrill has focus blast"
*sends out jellicent*
"dark pulse?!"
*rage quits*