Yeah I'll think about posting a RMT.Its possible to make a team without Arceus, but IMO, its like playing without SR, you have a disadvantage. He's way too good and the pressure he put on the opponent during the team preview is great, really, there is no reason to not use it unless you just want to be "original".
Also, concerning your team, you need a filler for the last slot am i right ? If so, we need the 5 other member, its not really useful to give you a filler without the rest of the team.
or thisScizor (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Technician
EVs: 200 HP / 56 Atk / 252 SDef
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Swords Dance
- Bullet Punch
- Bug Bite
- Roost
I generally prefer the 3 atk + roost set, but my friend said he would use the second one because it can take some hit (2-3 Draco, and 1 hit from +1 Aura Sphere, maybe) as well as hit back hard tooScizor (M) @ Choice Band
Trait: Technician
EVs: 200 HP / 56 Atk / 252 SDef
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Superpower
- Bullet Punch
- U-turn
- Pursuit
I think that generally the CB set is the best since it allows Scizor to do its main job(Revenge Killing)right off the bat.With CB Scizor can take huge chunks from many pokes,while with Lefties it cannot.I don't know if this is the right place to ask
What should I use
this
or this
I generally prefer the 3 atk + roost set, but my friend said he would use the second one because it can take some hit (2-3 Draco, and 1 hit from +1 Aura Sphere, maybe) as well as hit back hard too
what do you think, what would you use ?
please answer thank you
Is that a question to be asking in the Ubers forum? To answer the question, I believe most thought Thundurus was just too good of a sweeper in OU, kind of like Excadrill. Not only that, but Thundurus had the very annoying priority Thunder Wave to fuck up many potential counters made it extremely hard to play around.Why is Thundurus uber? I mean it's obviously because OU players voted on it and decided it was broken, but why is it broken? Priority Thunder Wave is good, but there are other Pokemon with priority paralysis. 125 base SpA is good but not spectacular, its bulk isn't very impressive, etc. But it got voted uber ...
Just curious, because it hardly seems like Thundurus is a good Pokemon in Ubers. It's not that Thundurus is not viable, but he just seems weak.
The two main reasons why Thundurus was banned was because of priority Nasty Plot which means nothing short of Whimisicott could stop him from setting up and priority Thunder Wave which made him impossible to revenge kill (short of Extreme Speed users) without one of your pokemon becoming crippled.Why is Thundurus uber? I mean it's obviously because OU players voted on it and decided it was broken, but why is it broken? Priority Thunder Wave is good, but there are other Pokemon with priority paralysis. 125 base SpA is good but not spectacular, its bulk isn't very impressive, etc. But it got voted uber ...
Just curious, because it hardly seems like Thundurus is a good Pokemon in Ubers. It's not that Thundurus is not viable, but he just seems weak.
I'm asking because whatever got him banned from OU is most likely to be his most viable set in Ubers, or at least would point the way to the most viable set. Excadrill is easy to understand. He's got a huge attack stat and enters battle fast enough to outspeed most Choice Scarfers. He has solid counters, but he screws over offensive teams because he's impossible to outspeed, resists certain priority moves and can easily switch out of the rest. The fact that sandstorm is not as common in Ubers makes Excadrill an unfortunate casualty of war, which is a pity, but understandable. On the other hand Thundurus doesn't seem to have any outstanding qualities. It's easy to see him as a strong special sweeper in OU, but beyond that ... I don't see anything.Is that a question to be asking in the Ubers forum? To answer the question, I believe most thought Thundurus was just too good of a sweeper in OU, kind of like Excadrill. Not only that, but Thundurus had the very annoying priority Thunder Wave to fuck up many potential counters made it extremely hard to play around.
Since this is the Ubers forum, there's no reason to argue about Thundurus' banning from OU. His viability in Ubers have no impact whatsoever on the decision. He was too good in OU, he's now not so very good in Ubers. Tough luck, Thundurus.
A Pokemon's viability in Ubers has nothing to do with its banning in OU. Stick this in your mind. Thundurus was banned because it was hard to check in OU. The Nasty Plot set was enough to cause heaps of teams problems (NP / Thunder(bolt) / HP Ice / Focus Blast). Those that could check Thundurus needed to watch out for the priority Thunder Wave business. While Excadrill punished offensive teams because you had to wall it, Thundurus punished more defensive teams because the only way you're guaranteed to take it down without taking a heavy beating was to revenge it. Think Mewtwo in Ubers. Thundurus was very difficult to wall, and could get past certain checks if it chose to do so (Grass Knot for Quag/Gastro, Thunder Wave for Scarfers, Sub for other shit). If you played OU, you would understand why it was such a big deal.I'm asking because whatever got him banned from OU is most likely to be his most viable set in Ubers, or at least would point the way to the most viable set. Excadrill is easy to understand. He's got a huge attack stat and enters battle fast enough to outspeed most Choice Scarfers. He has solid counters, but he screws over offensive teams because he's impossible to outspeed, resists certain priority moves and can easily switch out of the rest. The fact that sandstorm is not as common in Ubers makes Excadrill an unfortunate casualty of war, which is a pity, but understandable. On the other hand Thundurus doesn't seem to have any outstanding qualities. It's easy to see him as a strong special sweeper in OU, but beyond that ... I don't see anything.
So he has priority Nasty Plot. So what? Nasty Plot is a purely offensive set up move that doesn't make him any harder to kill. Priority Calm Mind can be used to weaken special attackers before they attack while still boosting up, priority Recover can keep you alive, etc. But priority Nasty Plot just doesn't sound like anything important. Priority Thunder Wave is a different matter and will cripple a potential revenge killer, but still. You have to give up a coverage move (or NP / Substitute etc) to have Thunder Wave, and you still end up dying. Last ditch check, yes, but you lose a Pokemon. It's very far from ideal.
What else is there? LO Thunderbolt does a lot of damage, true, but then the same applies to Zapdos's LO Thunderbolt and yet Zapdos is firmly UU. Besides, in the Ubers tier both are flattened by Zekrom's Bolt Strike, so that niche is out as well.
In other words, Thundurus seems so fully manageable that it ought to be OU, and yet it isn't. So why isn't it OU? What exactly did send Thundurus over the edge anyway?
It's probably because Mewtwo doesn't have time to use Recover. LO Mewtwo needs to spend every turn he can either attacking things slower than him, boosting, or switching out to avoid being revenge-killed. Because he can't take a hit is the answer to your question. Plus, he usually needs as much coverage as he can get. Psystrike/Fblast/Aura Sphere gets pretty good coverage, but CM for boosts or Ice Beam for coverage are usually better options than Recover... or even stuff like Taunt, I dunno. But it's mainly because he can't take a hit, I think; the same reason LO Infernape never uses Slack Off.Why isn't Recover used more on Mewtwo? Is it good for offensive sets to negate Life Orb recoil?
Well, to start, on non-Choiced Mewtwo (bar Stalltwo) already has two moves picked for it, Calm Mind and Psystrike. You then will probably need Aura Sphere or Fire Blast, or you will be turned into set-up fodder by Dialga, Ferro, etc. This leaves you with one moveslot.Why isn't Recover used more on Mewtwo? Is it good for offensive sets to negate Life Orb recoil?
Life Orb 3 attacks recover is actually a good set though. Packs a lot of power and Mewtwo will often find turns when people start switching around on resists and stuff.Even if you are going for Calm Mind + 2 Attacks, the SubCM set is so much better. It gives you another chance to set up while still being immune to status and Dragon Tail phazing. After you have reached +2/+3 you're ready to sweep, prepared to set up another Substitute whenever you can.
I used that before, but I felt like the way to boost your Special Attack was missing, as it really is needed for Mewtwo in my opinion. It was good though, just not as good as the Calm Mind version. In my opinion, of course.Life Orb 3 attacks recover is actually a good set though. Packs a lot of power and Mewtwo will often find turns when people start switching around on resists and stuff.