I noticed bug buzz on combee and shell smash on shuckle but who cares any way shuckle can't abuse shell smash and combee sucks anyway they aren't game changing.
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They don't hold it, they change the same way Shaymin does.
the new forms are reverted in wifi battles?? like skymin in DDPt era
Same here! Sucks that Azurill doesn't learn Bounce until level 23, though. At least the move relearner is in Driftveil's World Tournament building, so one wouldn't have to wait too long to get Aqua Tail if one chooses to have Azurill learn Bounce instead! :D
Contrary Shuckle says hi. >.>
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Code:
027 Sandshrew :
_Lv. 17 : Magnitude
_Lv. 30 : Dig
_Lv. 38 : Swords Dance
_Lv. 46 : Earthquake
028 Sandslash :
_Lv. 17 : Magnitude
_Lv. 30 : Dig
_Lv. 38 : Swords Dance
_Lv. 46 : Earthquake
035 Clefairy :
_Lv. 40 : Body Slam
037 Vulpix :
_Lv. 20 : Faint Attack
_Lv. 28 : Hex
041 Zubat :
_Lv. 23 : Swift
042 Golbat :
_Lv. 24 : Swift
053 Persian :
_Lv. 28 : Swift
054 Psyduck :
_Lv. 32 : Aqua Tail
055 Golduck :
_Lv. 32 : Aqua Tail
058 Growlithe :
_Lv. 43 : Outrage
081 Magnemite :
_Lv. 35 : Flash Cannon
082 Magneton :
_Lv. 39 : Flash Cannon
095 Onix :
_Lv. 34 : Rock Slide
_Lv. 43 : Dig
102 Exeggcute :
_Lv. 47 : Extrasensory*
* Lose the ability to learn Psychic by level-up
114 Tangela :
_Lv. 36 : Giga Drain
120 Staryu :
_Lv. 36 : Brine
122 Mr.Mime :
_Lv. 15 : Psywave
125 Electabuzz :
_Lv. 19 : Thunder Wave
126 Magmar :
_Lv. 19 : Clear Smog
127 Pinsir :
_Lv. 33 : Storm Throw
133 Eevee :
_Lv. 21 : Covet
_Lv. 29 : Charm
_Lv. 37 : Double-Edge
144 Articuno :
_Lv. 92 : Hurricane
145 Zapdos :
_Lv. 92 : Zap Cannon
146 Moltres :
_Lv. 92 : Hurricane
169 Crobat :
_Lv. 24 : Swift
179 Mareep :
_Lv. 18 : Take Down
_Lv. 25 : Confuse Ray
180 Flaaffy :
_Lv. 20 : Take Down
_Lv. 29 : Confuse Ray
181 Ampharos :
_Lv. 20 : Take Down
_Lv. 29 : Confuse Ray
183 Marill :
_Lv. 1 : Bubble
_Lv. 5 : Water Sport
_Lv. 16 : Helping Hand
_Lv. 37 : Superpower
184 Azumarill :
_Lv. 1 : Bubble
_Lv. 1 : Water Sport
_Lv. 5 : Water Sport
_Lv. 16 : Helping Hand
_Lv. 42 : Superpower
185 Sudowoodo :
_Lv. 33 : Counter
_Lv. 43 : Stone Edge
191 Sunkern :
_Lv. 31 : Natural Gift
_Lv. 34 : Solarbeam
_Lv. 37 : Double-Edge
192 Sunflora :
_Lv. 22 : Giga Drain
_Lv. 31 : Natural Gift
_Lv. 37 : Double-Edge
206 Dunsparce :
_Lv. 34 : Double-Edge
_Lv. 40 : Endure
_Lv. 43 : Drill Run
207 Gligar :
_Lv. 45 : Sky Uppercut
208 Steelix :
_Lv. 34 : Rock Slide
_Lv. 43 : Dig
213 Shuckle :
_Lv. 23 : Rock Throw
_Lv. 34 : Shell Smash
_Lv. 38 : Rock Slide
_Lv. 49 : Stone Edge
214 Heracross :
_Lv. 16 : Chip Away
215 Sneasel :
_Lv. 40 : Snatch
_Lv. 44 : Punishment
220 Swinub :
_Lv. 40 : Flail
221 Piloswine :
_Lv. 41 : Thrash
222 Corsola :
_Lv. 29 : Iron Defense
_Lv. 35 : Endure
_Lv. 52 : Flail
223 Remoraid :
_Lv. 42 : Hydro Pump
224 Octillery :
_Lv. 52 : Hydro Pump
226 Mantine :
_Lv. 23 : Wide Guard
_Lv. 36 : Air Slash
239 Elekid :
_Lv. 19 : Thunder Wave
240 Magby :
_Lv. 19 : Clear Smog
278 Wingull :
_Lv. 33 : Air Cutter
279 Pelipper :
_Lv. 34 : Brine
298 Azurill :
_Lv. 5 : Water Sport
_Lv. 13 : Bubblebeam
_Lv. 16 : Helping Hand
_Lv. 23 : Bounce
299 Nosepass :
_Lv. 18 : Rock Blast
_Lv. 25 : Spark
322 Numel :
_Lv. 29 : Curse
_Lv. 36 : Yawn
323 Camerupt :
_Lv. 29 : Curse
_Lv. 39 : Yawn
328 Trapinch :
_Lv. 13 : Mud-Slap
_Lv. 17 : Bide
_Lv. 21 : Bulldoze
_Lv. 25 : Rock Slide
_Lv. 67 : Superpower
329 Vibrava :
_Lv. 13 : Mud-Slap
_Lv. 17 : Bide
_Lv. 21 : Bulldoze
_Lv. 25 : Rock Slide
_Lv. 39 : Earth Power
330 Flygon :
_Lv. 13 : Mud-Slap
_Lv. 17 : Bide
_Lv. 21 : Bulldoze
_Lv. 25 : Rock Slide
_Lv. 39 : Earth Power
333 Swablu :
_Lv. 18 : Round
334 Altaria :
_Lv. 18 : Round
335 Zangoose :
_Lv. 26 : Revenge
336 Seviper :
_Lv. 34 : Gastro Acid
337 Lunatone :
_Lv. 25 : Rock Slide
_Lv. 41 : Stone Edge
338 Solrock :
_Lv. 33 : Psychic
_Lv. 41 : Stone Edge
375 Metang :
_Lv. 26 : Miracle Eye
376 Metagross :
_Lv. 26 : Miracle Eye
415 Combee :
_Lv. 29 : Bug Buzz
416 Vespiquen :
_Lv. 37 : Air Slash
418 Buizel :
_Lv. 27 : Double Hit
_Lv. 45 : Hydro Pump
419 Floatzel :
_Lv. 29 : Double Hit
_Lv. 57 : Hydro Pump
425 Drifloon :
_Lv. 40 : Amnesia
426 Drifblim :
_Lv. 46 : Amnesia
436 Bronzor :
_Lv. 15 : Psywave
_Lv. 31 : Metal Sound
437 Bronzong :
_Lv. 15 : Psywave
_Lv. 31 : Metal Sound
451 Skorupi :
_Lv. 16 : Pursuit
_Lv. 38 : Night Slash
452 Drapion :
_Lv. 16 : Pursuit
_Lv. 38 : Night Slash
458 Mantyke :
_Lv. 23 : Wide Guard
_Lv. 36 : Air Slash
461 Weavile :
_Lv. 35 : Night Slash
_Lv. 40 : Snatch
462 Magnezone :
_Lv. 39 : Flash Cannon
465 Tangrowth :
_Lv. 36 : Giga Drain
466 Electivire :
_Lv. 19 : Thunder Wave
467 Magmortar :
_Lv. 19 : Clear Smog
472 Gliscor :
_Lv. 45 : Sky Uppercut
473 Mamoswine :
_Lv. 41 : Thrash
476 Probopass :
_Lv. 18 : Rock Blast
_Lv. 25 : Spark
614 Beartic :
_Lv. 1 : Aqua Jet
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Pokewood sprites are awesome!
Pokewood sprites are awesome!
Oh my god the new Tornadus is going to be so awesome! It now outspeeds ScarfTar, Starmie, Raikou, Dugtrio and Alakazam, which are all very relevant threats. It also has very good bulk now for a hit and run poke, while the icing in the cake is Regenerator. Specs is going to be more awesome than ever.
Also check some cool calcs: LO Hidden Power Ice from Virizion to old Tornadus: 69.56 - 82.27%, 56,25% chance to ohko after SR
...same vs new Torandus: 62.87 - 74.24%, never a ohko after SR
Non LO Virizion's SE vs old Tornadus: 76.25 - 90.3%, ohko after SR
...same vs new Tornadus: 68.22 - 80.93%, a 43.75% chance to ohko after SR (~35% factoring in SE's accuracy).
Also the BU set is going to be simply amazing with Roost, Regenerator and awesome speed. Enough speed to outspeed Starmie seems like the best benchmark, and then maximize HP and SpD (80/90 HP/SpD is actually respectable). Non-Scarf Rotom-W comes in to stop you? Simply Roost as he uses Volt Switch and continue to boost!
Also check some cool calcs: LO Hidden Power Ice from Virizion to old Tornadus: 69.56 - 82.27%, 56,25% chance to ohko after SR
...same vs new Torandus: 62.87 - 74.24%, never a ohko after SR
Non LO Virizion's SE vs old Tornadus: 76.25 - 90.3%, ohko after SR
...same vs new Tornadus: 68.22 - 80.93%, a 43.75% chance to ohko after SR (~35% factoring in SE's accuracy).
Also the BU set is going to be simply amazing with Roost, Regenerator and awesome speed. Enough speed to outspeed Starmie seems like the best benchmark, and then maximize HP and SpD (80/90 HP/SpD is actually respectable). Non-Scarf Rotom-W comes in to stop you? Simply Roost as he uses Volt Switch and continue to boost!
Why are you all ignoring the splendor that is Air Slash Mantyke?!
N's smiling, a strange blonde girl (my guess: Another outfit by Elesa) and apparently some zombie movies in Pokewood are the most noticeable things I see. Other than a full confirmation that all Gym Leaders and Champions (but not Elite Four) being in the World Tournament.
Are 5 more BP such a significant change? Mantine doesn't really need another HP anyway... Except if you are joking...
Makes Shell Smash a horrendously worse version of Cosmic Power, I guess?
A better Cosmic Power actually, since Shuckle also has the move that works like Pain Split for offenses, so by cutting your offenses you are also cutting your opponent's offenses which means you increase your defenses even more...
Shuckle would still be better off running sturdy with defence curl because defence curl doubles rollouts power as well as its defence and shuckle would be able to keep sturdy which is useful on the defensive variant. With power split it is a good offencive and defensive Pokemon. But shell smash might work for toxic stalling With protect and leftovers.
Only if the Tornadus/Thundurus/Landorus is traded over from BW1; if so, they need to hold something to change into Therian Forme (meaning they can't have Leftovers or Choice items or whatever). If traded over from the Dream Radar thing, they stay in Therian Forme, but the Mirror (the item is a mirror thing), when given to them, reverts them to genies with the Defiant ability (Sheer Force for Landorus). It's kind of a confusing mechanic.
How bizarre is Elesa's gym music? I'm going to feel so awkward in there...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9pvxKuuBMs&feature=autoplay&list=UUcKWltyEsjJu6yvkwZcrBPg&playnext=1
Edit: Yes! Blaine's shiny head sprite is back!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9pvxKuuBMs&feature=autoplay&list=UUcKWltyEsjJu6yvkwZcrBPg&playnext=1
Edit: Yes! Blaine's shiny head sprite is back!
I was under the impression it was a key item used to toggle them between forms, not unlike the Gracidea.
Level-up moves for Kyurem's formes:
Scary Face and Glaciate got scrapped, though "Basic" Kyurem still retain the ability to learn those 2 moves.
And no, neither Forme has the ability to learn Blue Flare / Bolt Strike.
Code:
646 White Kyurem :
_Lv. 1 : Icy Wind
_Lv. 1 : Dragon Rage
_Lv. 8 : Imprison
_Lv. 15 : Ancientpower
_Lv. 22 : Ice Beam
_Lv. 29 : Dragonbreath
_Lv. 36 : Slash
_Lv. 43 : Fusion Flare
_Lv. 50 : Ice Burn
_Lv. 57 : Dragon Pulse
_Lv. 64 : Imprison
_Lv. 71 : Endeavor
_Lv. 78 : Blizzard
_Lv. 85 : Outrage
_Lv. 92 : Hyper Voice
646 Black Kyurem :
_Lv. 1 : Icy Wind
_Lv. 1 : Dragon Rage
_Lv. 8 : Imprison
_Lv. 15 : Ancientpower
_Lv. 22 : Ice Beam
_Lv. 29 : Dragonbreath
_Lv. 36 : Slash
_Lv. 43 : Fusion Bolt
_Lv. 50 : Freeze Shock
_Lv. 57 : Dragon Pulse
_Lv. 64 : Imprison
_Lv. 71 : Endeavor
_Lv. 78 : Blizzard
_Lv. 85 : Outrage
_Lv. 92 : Hyper VoiceAnd no, neither Forme has the ability to learn Blue Flare / Bolt Strike.
Well I remember reading it on Serebii, and that's how I interpreted it. I'm pretty sure I'm right, because I read over multiple times to figure out what exactly we need the Reflecting Mirror was for (official name for the item, I remember it now!).
EDIT: http://www.serebii.net/black2white2/formchange.shtml
Now that I re-read it, it doesn't clearly state whether the Reflecting Mirror is a held item or a Key Item
EDIT 2: Re-reading again, can't get mirror unless you have Therian Formes, so you can only get new formes via 3DS. Shit, I'm just not functioning on all cylinders today
Do they keep Fusion Bolt/Flare and Freeze Shock/Ice Burn when made to change forme, or do they go the way of Rotom's attacks?
??? I thought you needed a Therian Forme Landorus to get the Reflecting Mirror in the first place. One of us is remembering this stuff horribly wrong...
I feel sorry for Black Kyurem, having dat amazing attack but losing out on coverage. They could have at least given him Bolt Strike and Icicle Crash. In fact, so far I'm not too impressed with the level up moveset changes. Hopefully the tutors will rectify any problems.
...That one would be me, I skim shit way too fast when reading it
