So, we're going to talk about fair? I had a response two nights ago, but my internet ate my response and I was too...on edge...to re formulate the response. But to address 'fair' in competitive sense. You're sense of honor/fair/what have you is not mine. It's not the next person. The person after them? Sure, it's possible. In the same sense you use Ice Shard to lose to a Chomp, under SV, I say he still has a super majority percentage to hit. (Taken from the text: In Generation V, Sand Veil lowers the accuracy threshold (user accuracy/target evasion) by 20% resulting in an overall 25% boost to evasion — not 20% as stated in game.) Admittedly I'm not good a math. So my thinking it means Ice Shard now hits at basically 75% could be wrong. Clearly not the 100% it was before, but it still hits way more often then not. That still seems fair to me.
I would like to see if anyone can answer my questions.
Have we expressed all options to combat Sand Veil? Have we built all the available teams under Overused that can possibly combat Sand Veil?
Is there a possible way for us to see all teams built and used for this testing, both with Garchomp and those built to try and beat him?
If we are not building every iteration of teams of OU pokemon, then we can't ban the ability. We're, again, not talking about using niche RU, UU, or NU pokemons. Using OU pokemon that have abilities/moves that can try to compete with SV. I new to this forum, and I'm new to Smogen's tiering. But I've been playing other games competitively for years. Luck has always been a blessing and a sore spot. And I've always approached the scene with an (sometimes ill worded) eye towards 'luck.'
There are moves like Gravity that, unless I'm mistaken, counteract the evasion aspect. And thought considered a gimmick, there are effective gravity users for all teams. And having a 'Gravity user' wouldn't mean sacrificing a spot on the team to run one. Given that I read about Rain teams in the BW2 meta running things, that also would counteract Sandstorm. Eliminating the boost. And these two were just off the top of my head, and I'm sure considered by better players than I (and I would probably say that means all of you).
And if these inclusive tests mean SV is unbeatable, then yeah. It destroys the game and drives people away. If everyone (or in a democracy super majority) agrees to use evasion bans, then yes, all forms of evasion need to be banned. But not just a pick and choose. Snow Cloak needs to go. Sand Veil needs to go. Moody needs to go. Smokescreen needs to go. Sand attack needs to go. You get my point.
I suppose since I hadn't the time to play and try it, I can't really say much. Nor do I have lots of time to play as is. It just seems like everyone is quick to jump on the ban(ne)dwagon because of a thing called luck. And again, that's always been a...touchy subject with me.