LUCID DREAMING FOR DRAGONS
Hello everyone! I'm Captain. Or well "Oh Captain" since Captain was taken when i made this account. I don't normally post on these forums mostly because I am lazy and just have more fun playing and chatting than posting.However I have been around in competitive Pokemon since early gen 4, And lurked these forums since then.
Normally I'm a defensively oriented player. I typically enjoy running things like rain stall or sand stall, some bulky offensive/balanced teams every now and then, but I find if I do one thing for too long the game becomes rather taxing. I debated posting my rain stall team since its quite different than most and uses innovative sets but in the end I couldn't resist posting this for you guys to see.
I'm extremely pleased and proud to present a team I have worked on for a short while, but the center piece of the team is something I have worked on for a while now.
The Idea came about one day when I was battling some kid using a Heal bell Dragonite. I then thought why not just use Kingdra and Restchesto?
*Light Bulb*
Then the hamster wheels started turning in my head contemplating all the amazing-ness I had thought of...
Eventually it lead to this:
At a glance:
Team Building Process:
Before we get into the sets. I encourage you to listen to this song I feel represents my team well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wbAMzdAcic
Thanks ! <3
In depth:
Terrakion (Cato) @Rockey helmet
Justified
Jolly: 252speed 4spdef 252Atk
Stone Edge
Close Combat
Stealth Rock
Substitute
So what was once Mew is now a Terrakion. I made this change mostly because in more than one game mew would simply set up SR and die...not on my own terms either. The set is rather standard. Close combat and Stone edge make for some great dual stabs and serious coverage. Stealth rock is here because what team doesn't have this? And with Terrakion being able to force a ton of switches he makes a great user of stealth rock. Sub is a great way to gain some momentum and allows Terrakion to abuse his stabs a bit better. Terrakion is also a great switch in to Genesect allowing me to ease some prediction on my part when facing the new poster boy of OU. Now looking at the item most of you probably are wondering why I'm using rocky helmet. Well I only have one answer and that is genesect. Terrakion sets up rocks, and resists uturn wich really limits the amount of times scarfsect can uturn against me forcing it to attack eventually and allowing me the kill. Aside from the obvious things about terrak like the way he murders just about everything and such I use him not just for rocks, but he is King of double switching. Terrakion attracts the likes of scizor/skarmory and other bulky steels like light to flies. Allowing me to trap them so much faster and easier with magnezone, thus clearing them for not only Dnite but for terrakion as well. He also is Latias's dancing partner as she lures in TTar and so often I will find myself baiting him out only to double switch and either get free rocks or a free sub up wich both work well for me and this team. Terrakion serves one final role on this team and that is to draw out pokemon for dnite to set up on. Im not talking about steel types or anything I mentioned before, I'm more or less talking about pokemon like Celebi or donphan, sometimes Jellicent if my opponent feels like risking the jelli, but terrakion is magnet for those bulky slower mons who want to take his stabs and scare him away. Oh and lastly he dumps on heatran and the blobs who can otherwise be quite annoying for genesect to face, taking some pressure off of breloom.
Genesect (Los Plagas) @Life Orb
Download
Modest: 252Spatk 204Speed 4Spdef 48HP
Rock Polish
Giga Drain
FlameThrower
Ice beam
So theres a little saying that goes like this " Everyone is weak to RP genesect". In alot of cases this is extremely true. The best thing about being RP is the freedom to change moves whilst still being super strong if not stronger because of Modest. Bluffing a scarf is also relatively easy thanks to everyone using Scarfsect. The Idea is get +1spatk boost then RP and win the game. The 3 moves I've given him provide the best coverage for a sweep. Giga drain is probably the most notable move as it breaks Terrakion and recovers HP back. Terrakion being one of the most offensive "checks" to genesect. The other moves each hit a ton of respective mons for super effective dmg.Ebelt was chosen mostly because it fakes scarf really well and prolongs my sweep without recoil. RP sect is also not weak to hazards like scarfsect. Not having to switch really prolongs genesects life span and makes him a potent offensive threat every team should be prepared for. Ofcourse the pokemon who give this set trouble are heatran, chansey and blissey. All of wich are taken care of by Both Dragonite and Breloom. Genesect also doubles as a great steel remover for the team when magnezone is unable to do it.
It's important to note I will sometimes change my genesect to a scarf version based on how the ladder is that day.
The evs would be 112atk/136spatk/252speed iirc. Uturn-flamethrower-tbolt-icebeam
RP sect is more favorable though.
Magnezone (U.F.O) @Choice Specs
Modest: 252Spatk 136Def 120Speed
Magnet pull
Hidden power [Fire]
Flash Cannon
Volt Switch
Sleep talk
Maybe this set seems a bit weird so I will explain.
First off the Def evs work with Sleep talk to survive a non boosted mach punch (so long as no gem) from breloom. Making Zone perfect sleep fodder.
In addition to that the def evs allow me to survive one super power from Tornadus T and KO back. Flash cannon hits HUGE damage on things like Gliscor and Landorus. Both common switch ins to Magnezone as they are immune to Volt switch. Infact after rocks Flash cannon OHKOS both of the aforementioned pokemon making life easier for me. Hidden power fire is what I use to kill those 4x weak steels. The only issue is Ferro in rain, but even then at worst its a 3hko. More often than not 2hkos. This Zone is absolutely necessary for the team because it removes Skarmory. Something both Breloom and Dnite don't want to face.
Dragonite (GoodNite) @Chesto Berry
MultiScale
Jolly: 168HP 10Atk 156Spdef 176Speed
Rest
Dragon dance
Earthquake
Outrage
Here is the moment I have been waiting for. This is a really Proud moment for me as I am extremely proud to share this incredible set with the community. I cannot stress how good this set is. Its built for BW2, a metagame that isn't as friendly to Dnite as Bw1 was. After facing the Heal bell Nite i mentioned in the beginning of the RMT I got to thinking. What helped this set along was my experience with ChestoRest Kingdra.
Dragonite was a pokemon almost suspected in BW1. So many users hated this cute chubby dragon with a passion, as so many others looked to abuse his great ability in multiscale. One notable user who made a great dnite set in BW1 was Stone_cold. The idea is much like kingdra Set up as much as you can and then rest+ heal your status/HP and sweep. The difference here is EQ> waterfall and being able to break things like ferrothorn if it really came down to it. The given Evs are the best spread I could come up with for a few reasons. At +2 I am able to outrun Both scarf terrakion and Latios. The spdef evs are not only to make genesect gain the atk boost, but it also cushions the blow of HP ice and other special moves allowing me to set up even more. After setting up and Resting I not only cure myself of all status and heal to full... I reactivate multiscale allowing me to safely outrage or earthquake my opponent to death. Outrage + earthquake provide the best coverage I can give him. I went eq over firepunch as it kills heatran, and hits jirachi much harder than firepunch especially in rain.
This Nite sets up on so many common pokemon in OU some notable ones are ; Rotom W, Defensive Toed, Vaporeon, Chansey, Jellicent, CM keldeo, Ninetales, and so many more. This nite has literally been the best set I have ever used, It has won me so many games, made so many come backs, and just surprised so many opponents. It's sets like this that make playing this game worth it and fun. Creating this has been a blast and I encourage you all to try it out.
Latias (Minako) @ Life Orb
Levitate
Timid : 252spatk 252 speed 4hp
Surf
Draco meteor
Psyshock
Roost/Recover
So Latias comes in as Dnites back up against Sun/rain. This set is great for both of this jobs. The best thing about this set I find is trolling specs/LO Latios and winning the speed race by 1. Thanks to no HPfire. Common mons like Scizor will have to think twice about pursuiting this dragon thanks to Magnezone sitting in the wings. Draco meteor is a great stab move to abuse with life orb and it hits incredibly hard on anything that doesnt resist it. Psyshock hits things like venusaur/keldeo/breloom for huge dmg as well as Blobs. Surf is for killing shit in rain and always comes in handy at sometime or another. Its also good to finish off weakened Ttars and avoid dying. Roost/recover help with keeping Latias alive and make Life orb not so bad. I use Latias to double switch alot since she doesn't mind hazards. She draws in Ferrothorns/skarms/ forreytress basically she lures in steel types.
Great to double switch with, great to Dent things, and late game? great to clean the mess the others leave behind. Latias also forms perfect synergy with magnezone and genesect allowing me to keep them around longer.
I will not change her to Latios so don't suggest it.
Breloom (Link) @Fight Gem
Adamant: 252Atk 40HP 216Speed
Technician
Spore
Swords dance
Mach punch
Bullet seed
Breloom finishes the team off by adding another great and potent physical attacker. I chose him over Terrakion for priority and spore. Spore is the best move in the game, well... next to Stealth rocks. But Spore is a free kill basically and makes Breloom a huge offensive threat to slower and bulkier teams. +2 Mach punch+gem always Kills genesect who is one of the most common Loom switch ins after a spore. Bullet Seed + machpunch make it very hard for rainstall to do much of anything to my team. And the priority is always welcome. I wont SD unless Latios/Latias/celebi etc are dead.
Loom also baits the fuck out of Skarmory and helps zone clear those pesky steel types. Breloom also is great to KO ttar and hippodown with who can be annoying in their own rights the former giving Latias issues and the later being able to phaze out Dnite and ruin my set up.
Conclusion:
This team is pretty great at keeping offensive pressure up. Not giving my opponent too many chances to set up.
Some possible changes are;
Genesect --> Scarf set - to revenge +1 dnite and such.
Mew ---> DeoD - for more hazards
I may add in a rapid spinner but its not needed really...
Breloom --> Terrakion Perhaps Use rocks on terrak and free up a slot for mew to attack more.
Overall This team isn't perfect but it does have an awesome new and original Dnite set, and to be completely honest that's more than half the reason for posting this.
I'm not looking for too much changes to the team, but don't let that discourage you from rating it!
Leave a Luvdisc if you like it ;)
Thanks so much for reading this RMT.
A big thanks goes out to;
TripleRhu and The lovely gents/ and or Ladies In IMP who toss me ideas when I'm out of them.
Also thanks to Adam for putting up with my constant Pming him for help.
XANDERPITZ COME BACK!
Hello everyone! I'm Captain. Or well "Oh Captain" since Captain was taken when i made this account. I don't normally post on these forums mostly because I am lazy and just have more fun playing and chatting than posting.However I have been around in competitive Pokemon since early gen 4, And lurked these forums since then.
Normally I'm a defensively oriented player. I typically enjoy running things like rain stall or sand stall, some bulky offensive/balanced teams every now and then, but I find if I do one thing for too long the game becomes rather taxing. I debated posting my rain stall team since its quite different than most and uses innovative sets but in the end I couldn't resist posting this for you guys to see.
I'm extremely pleased and proud to present a team I have worked on for a short while, but the center piece of the team is something I have worked on for a while now.
The Idea came about one day when I was battling some kid using a Heal bell Dragonite. I then thought why not just use Kingdra and Restchesto?
*Light Bulb*
Then the hamster wheels started turning in my head contemplating all the amazing-ness I had thought of...
Eventually it lead to this:
At a glance:
Team Building Process:
So with Dragonite being the base of the team a few things seemed mandatory to me. The biggest was steel removal, even more important than rapid spin. So I added Magnezone.
Magnezone is able to trap and kill the most problematic steels such as Ferrothorn, Forretress and Skarmory. It catches slow Scizors (most of them) and is able to do huge damage to annoying pokemon like Tornadus and Politoed. It also forms steel+dragon core that dragons love.
After I knew I wanted something to partner well with the Magnet, Genesect is arguably good enough for a spot on any offensive team so he seemed like a natural choice
With the obvious weakness to sun as Dragonite isn't enough to handle sun alone I added my all time favourite Pokemon Latias. <3
Latias is great in sun and does well in rain too. She has a few merits over Latios mostly being bulkier and much cooler. But that's beside the point.
The question I had now was, is rapid spin worth it? The obvious answer is yes, But after trying numerous spinners, including Starmie, I just didnt feel like it was necessary. Infact more times than not I would just sweep regardless of rocks. So instead of adding a spinner I added mew for my own rocks and some versatility
So i was lacking any real way to break physical walls and Heatran was a huge annoyance thus far. I had tested Terrakion for a while because its a great mon to double switch with, baiting things like Scizor and Skarmory how ever I i decided to with Breloom in the end for some added help against rain stall and just for some priority.
I made a few switches during this process, but this sums up the thought process really well and doesn't drag-on (OH SUPER PUN) anymore than it needs too.
After a lot of playing and more testing I found Terrakion to be better for SR than mew as it can file more roles and just do more in general.
Magnezone is able to trap and kill the most problematic steels such as Ferrothorn, Forretress and Skarmory. It catches slow Scizors (most of them) and is able to do huge damage to annoying pokemon like Tornadus and Politoed. It also forms steel+dragon core that dragons love.
After I knew I wanted something to partner well with the Magnet, Genesect is arguably good enough for a spot on any offensive team so he seemed like a natural choice
With the obvious weakness to sun as Dragonite isn't enough to handle sun alone I added my all time favourite Pokemon Latias. <3
Latias is great in sun and does well in rain too. She has a few merits over Latios mostly being bulkier and much cooler. But that's beside the point.
The question I had now was, is rapid spin worth it? The obvious answer is yes, But after trying numerous spinners, including Starmie, I just didnt feel like it was necessary. Infact more times than not I would just sweep regardless of rocks. So instead of adding a spinner I added mew for my own rocks and some versatility
So i was lacking any real way to break physical walls and Heatran was a huge annoyance thus far. I had tested Terrakion for a while because its a great mon to double switch with, baiting things like Scizor and Skarmory how ever I i decided to with Breloom in the end for some added help against rain stall and just for some priority.
I made a few switches during this process, but this sums up the thought process really well and doesn't drag-on (OH SUPER PUN) anymore than it needs too.
After a lot of playing and more testing I found Terrakion to be better for SR than mew as it can file more roles and just do more in general.
Before we get into the sets. I encourage you to listen to this song I feel represents my team well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wbAMzdAcic
Thanks ! <3
In depth:
Terrakion (Cato) @Rockey helmet
Justified
Jolly: 252speed 4spdef 252Atk
Stone Edge
Close Combat
Stealth Rock
Substitute
So what was once Mew is now a Terrakion. I made this change mostly because in more than one game mew would simply set up SR and die...not on my own terms either. The set is rather standard. Close combat and Stone edge make for some great dual stabs and serious coverage. Stealth rock is here because what team doesn't have this? And with Terrakion being able to force a ton of switches he makes a great user of stealth rock. Sub is a great way to gain some momentum and allows Terrakion to abuse his stabs a bit better. Terrakion is also a great switch in to Genesect allowing me to ease some prediction on my part when facing the new poster boy of OU. Now looking at the item most of you probably are wondering why I'm using rocky helmet. Well I only have one answer and that is genesect. Terrakion sets up rocks, and resists uturn wich really limits the amount of times scarfsect can uturn against me forcing it to attack eventually and allowing me the kill. Aside from the obvious things about terrak like the way he murders just about everything and such I use him not just for rocks, but he is King of double switching. Terrakion attracts the likes of scizor/skarmory and other bulky steels like light to flies. Allowing me to trap them so much faster and easier with magnezone, thus clearing them for not only Dnite but for terrakion as well. He also is Latias's dancing partner as she lures in TTar and so often I will find myself baiting him out only to double switch and either get free rocks or a free sub up wich both work well for me and this team. Terrakion serves one final role on this team and that is to draw out pokemon for dnite to set up on. Im not talking about steel types or anything I mentioned before, I'm more or less talking about pokemon like Celebi or donphan, sometimes Jellicent if my opponent feels like risking the jelli, but terrakion is magnet for those bulky slower mons who want to take his stabs and scare him away. Oh and lastly he dumps on heatran and the blobs who can otherwise be quite annoying for genesect to face, taking some pressure off of breloom.
Genesect (Los Plagas) @Life Orb
Download
Modest: 252Spatk 204Speed 4Spdef 48HP
Rock Polish
Giga Drain
FlameThrower
Ice beam
So theres a little saying that goes like this " Everyone is weak to RP genesect". In alot of cases this is extremely true. The best thing about being RP is the freedom to change moves whilst still being super strong if not stronger because of Modest. Bluffing a scarf is also relatively easy thanks to everyone using Scarfsect. The Idea is get +1spatk boost then RP and win the game. The 3 moves I've given him provide the best coverage for a sweep. Giga drain is probably the most notable move as it breaks Terrakion and recovers HP back. Terrakion being one of the most offensive "checks" to genesect. The other moves each hit a ton of respective mons for super effective dmg.Ebelt was chosen mostly because it fakes scarf really well and prolongs my sweep without recoil. RP sect is also not weak to hazards like scarfsect. Not having to switch really prolongs genesects life span and makes him a potent offensive threat every team should be prepared for. Ofcourse the pokemon who give this set trouble are heatran, chansey and blissey. All of wich are taken care of by Both Dragonite and Breloom. Genesect also doubles as a great steel remover for the team when magnezone is unable to do it.
It's important to note I will sometimes change my genesect to a scarf version based on how the ladder is that day.
The evs would be 112atk/136spatk/252speed iirc. Uturn-flamethrower-tbolt-icebeam
RP sect is more favorable though.
Magnezone (U.F.O) @Choice Specs
Modest: 252Spatk 136Def 120Speed
Magnet pull
Hidden power [Fire]
Flash Cannon
Volt Switch
Sleep talk
Maybe this set seems a bit weird so I will explain.
First off the Def evs work with Sleep talk to survive a non boosted mach punch (so long as no gem) from breloom. Making Zone perfect sleep fodder.
In addition to that the def evs allow me to survive one super power from Tornadus T and KO back. Flash cannon hits HUGE damage on things like Gliscor and Landorus. Both common switch ins to Magnezone as they are immune to Volt switch. Infact after rocks Flash cannon OHKOS both of the aforementioned pokemon making life easier for me. Hidden power fire is what I use to kill those 4x weak steels. The only issue is Ferro in rain, but even then at worst its a 3hko. More often than not 2hkos. This Zone is absolutely necessary for the team because it removes Skarmory. Something both Breloom and Dnite don't want to face.
Dragonite (GoodNite) @Chesto Berry
MultiScale
Jolly: 168HP 10Atk 156Spdef 176Speed
Rest
Dragon dance
Earthquake
Outrage
Here is the moment I have been waiting for. This is a really Proud moment for me as I am extremely proud to share this incredible set with the community. I cannot stress how good this set is. Its built for BW2, a metagame that isn't as friendly to Dnite as Bw1 was. After facing the Heal bell Nite i mentioned in the beginning of the RMT I got to thinking. What helped this set along was my experience with ChestoRest Kingdra.
Dragonite was a pokemon almost suspected in BW1. So many users hated this cute chubby dragon with a passion, as so many others looked to abuse his great ability in multiscale. One notable user who made a great dnite set in BW1 was Stone_cold. The idea is much like kingdra Set up as much as you can and then rest+ heal your status/HP and sweep. The difference here is EQ> waterfall and being able to break things like ferrothorn if it really came down to it. The given Evs are the best spread I could come up with for a few reasons. At +2 I am able to outrun Both scarf terrakion and Latios. The spdef evs are not only to make genesect gain the atk boost, but it also cushions the blow of HP ice and other special moves allowing me to set up even more. After setting up and Resting I not only cure myself of all status and heal to full... I reactivate multiscale allowing me to safely outrage or earthquake my opponent to death. Outrage + earthquake provide the best coverage I can give him. I went eq over firepunch as it kills heatran, and hits jirachi much harder than firepunch especially in rain.
This Nite sets up on so many common pokemon in OU some notable ones are ; Rotom W, Defensive Toed, Vaporeon, Chansey, Jellicent, CM keldeo, Ninetales, and so many more. This nite has literally been the best set I have ever used, It has won me so many games, made so many come backs, and just surprised so many opponents. It's sets like this that make playing this game worth it and fun. Creating this has been a blast and I encourage you all to try it out.
Latias (Minako) @ Life Orb
Levitate
Timid : 252spatk 252 speed 4hp
Surf
Draco meteor
Psyshock
Roost/Recover
So Latias comes in as Dnites back up against Sun/rain. This set is great for both of this jobs. The best thing about this set I find is trolling specs/LO Latios and winning the speed race by 1. Thanks to no HPfire. Common mons like Scizor will have to think twice about pursuiting this dragon thanks to Magnezone sitting in the wings. Draco meteor is a great stab move to abuse with life orb and it hits incredibly hard on anything that doesnt resist it. Psyshock hits things like venusaur/keldeo/breloom for huge dmg as well as Blobs. Surf is for killing shit in rain and always comes in handy at sometime or another. Its also good to finish off weakened Ttars and avoid dying. Roost/recover help with keeping Latias alive and make Life orb not so bad. I use Latias to double switch alot since she doesn't mind hazards. She draws in Ferrothorns/skarms/ forreytress basically she lures in steel types.
Great to double switch with, great to Dent things, and late game? great to clean the mess the others leave behind. Latias also forms perfect synergy with magnezone and genesect allowing me to keep them around longer.
I will not change her to Latios so don't suggest it.
Breloom (Link) @Fight Gem
Adamant: 252Atk 40HP 216Speed
Technician
Spore
Swords dance
Mach punch
Bullet seed
Breloom finishes the team off by adding another great and potent physical attacker. I chose him over Terrakion for priority and spore. Spore is the best move in the game, well... next to Stealth rocks. But Spore is a free kill basically and makes Breloom a huge offensive threat to slower and bulkier teams. +2 Mach punch+gem always Kills genesect who is one of the most common Loom switch ins after a spore. Bullet Seed + machpunch make it very hard for rainstall to do much of anything to my team. And the priority is always welcome. I wont SD unless Latios/Latias/celebi etc are dead.
Loom also baits the fuck out of Skarmory and helps zone clear those pesky steel types. Breloom also is great to KO ttar and hippodown with who can be annoying in their own rights the former giving Latias issues and the later being able to phaze out Dnite and ruin my set up.
Conclusion:
This team is pretty great at keeping offensive pressure up. Not giving my opponent too many chances to set up.
Some possible changes are;
Genesect --> Scarf set - to revenge +1 dnite and such.
Mew ---> DeoD - for more hazards
I may add in a rapid spinner but its not needed really...
Breloom --> Terrakion Perhaps Use rocks on terrak and free up a slot for mew to attack more.
Overall This team isn't perfect but it does have an awesome new and original Dnite set, and to be completely honest that's more than half the reason for posting this.
I'm not looking for too much changes to the team, but don't let that discourage you from rating it!
Leave a Luvdisc if you like it ;)
Thanks so much for reading this RMT.
A big thanks goes out to;
TripleRhu and The lovely gents/ and or Ladies In IMP who toss me ideas when I'm out of them.
Also thanks to Adam for putting up with my constant Pming him for help.
XANDERPITZ COME BACK!
