Dark Fallen Angel
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Actually, Wobbuffet is borderline in BW.Isn't Wobbuffet in ubers?
Actually, Wobbuffet is borderline in BW.Isn't Wobbuffet in ubers?
We already had female Bagon, the only problem was lack of Outrage+Dragon Dance+Moxie (both were Egg moves, Bagon could only come with one from DW).It should be noted that since female Bagons are available (due to them being discovered in Hidden Hollows), its Egg moves are now available are Moxie Mence. This means that Salamence now has a larger expanse of moves to choose from, including Dragon Dance (available with other moves) and Hydro Pump (an alternative and/or somewhat stronger option against Gliscor, Hippowdon, and Skarmory in rain) with Moxie. Thoughts?
Actually, the issue was that Outrage isn't an egg move. Salamence only gets it through Move Tutors and Dreamworld.We already had female Bagon, the only problem was lack of Outrage+Dragon Dance+Moxie (both were Egg moves, Bagon could only come with one from DW).
Salamence is my personal favorite user of choice scarf, if you aren't having success with it then you are using it wrong. Usually I bring him in when he's the last member of my team, at that point hopefully everyone on the opposing team is within OHKO range, which isn't hard once Moxie starts building up. The only problem is Mamoswine, steels aren't a problem that late in a battle, he shouldn't be brought out until everyone is hurting, or too dragon claw another outrage locked dragon that you outspeed.Is Scarf Mence even viable? First you have to remove faster scarfers, and just about all of them are faster except for Genesect. Then you have to remove steels AND Mamoswine. I dont like being forced to run Wob, especially when i have to run Mag as well for steels. I have tried him without all this support, and he did well, but not against anyone decent. Also, you pretty much have to run a Mamoswine or a faster scarfer, lest you get swept by Ditto. What are some other good partners for Mence?
Back in the earlier days of BW1 I did run Hydro Pump on Mence, although this was before Moxie was released so most Mence sets were wallbreakers or DDs. It worked decently then because no one was expecting it, but it definitely didn't get me any more KOs than Fire Blast. I have used it a little in the BW2 metagame, but no more than 5 matches so its hard to conclusively say whether it works better than Fire Blast. On a rain team it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense to run Fire Blast, because apart from anything thats 4x weak to Fire, you won't be dealing all that much damage unless you really pump a lot of EVs into SATK. So in regards to that, it could be nice for slightly additional coverage, although with the list of things you mentioned a standard rain team should be able to beat them with relative ease. All up I don't really think Hydro Pump on Mence is an incredibly useful move, unless you really want to run a Mence on a rain team, which isn't really the best team type for even a ScarfMoxie Mence.ive been toying a bit with DD mence using hydro pump instead of fire blast on a rain team. its a nasty surprise for opposing gliscor, skarmory, forretress and balloontran, and under rain it gets a nice boost to it. it makes mence even weaker to ferrothorn, however, and the accuracy is unreliable at times. has anyone else tried hydro pump on mence, and if so, wanna share your results with it?
I'm going to have to agree with Temp here, rain isn't the best environment for salamence. His best counters are steels that love a rain dampened fire blast. I understand you run hyrdo pump instead but don't see that viable against a decent team. Ferrothorn then completely walls you, and can get spikes down or leech seed to get residual damage plus iron barbs. Personally I don't even bring out scarf moxie mence until all steels are gone or low enough to kill. I try and use him as strictly a late game sweeper, if I can help it I don't even use him to revenge kill.Back in the earlier days of BW1 I did run Hydro Pump on Mence, although this was before Moxie was released so most Mence sets were wallbreakers or DDs. It worked decently then because no one was expecting it, but it definitely didn't get me any more KOs than Fire Blast. I have used it a little in the BW2 metagame, but no more than 5 matches so its hard to conclusively say whether it works better than Fire Blast. On a rain team it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense to run Fire Blast, because apart from anything thats 4x weak to Fire, you won't be dealing all that much damage unless you really pump a lot of EVs into SATK. So in regards to that, it could be nice for slightly additional coverage, although with the list of things you mentioned a standard rain team should be able to beat them with relative ease. All up I don't really think Hydro Pump on Mence is an incredibly useful move, unless you really want to run a Mence on a rain team, which isn't really the best team type for even a ScarfMoxie Mence.
Actually,I think this is going to be a great set with a few changes.If u ran aqua tail instead of Hydro Pump it would be even better.Although it makes mence more weak towards Skarm and Forry but hey,with hydro pump it's ferro weak anyway.All 3 of them can be removed by Magnezone.Aqua Tail will give me mence a reliable pseudo STAB in rain letting u abuse moxie more as well as becoming more powerful with DD.Rain pokes such as Keldeo and Politoed are going to pair well with mence too becoz of their ability to deal with mence's 2 common revenge killers such as Scizor,Mamoswine etc.ive been toying a bit with DD mence using hydro pump instead of fire blast on a rain team. its a nasty surprise for opposing gliscor, skarmory, forretress and balloontran, and under rain it gets a nice boost to it. it makes mence even weaker to ferrothorn, however, and the accuracy is unreliable at times. has anyone else tried hydro pump on mence, and if so, wanna share your results with it?
ScarfMence is pretty great. I'm not going to lie. Ditto has to Speed tie it, and there's that chance that Salamence could win the tie. Also, Ditto appears to be rather uncommon, so you don't exactly have to worry about it too much. To answer your question, wall-breakers such as Terrakion and Hydreigon appear to be its best friends, bashing down the bulky physical walls that impede its progress. In return, Salamence can revenge kill those Pokemon that threaten the wall-breaker.Is Scarf Mence even viable? First you have to remove faster scarfers, and just about all of them are faster except for Genesect. Then you have to remove steels AND Mamoswine. I dont like being forced to run Wob, especially when i have to run Mag as well for steels. I have tried him without all this support, and he did well, but not against anyone decent. Also, you pretty much have to run a Mamoswine or a faster scarfer, lest you get swept by Ditto. What are some other good partners for Mence?
It used to be +speed for a while because of a particular metallic purple bug that ran amok in the OU tier, finding a spot in pretty much every team.Hey guys, just wondering what nature you guys run on salamence, specifically ddmence. The site recommended naive/jolly for awhile, and then adamant/lonely, but now it's back to just naive. Notable pokemon that are outspeed with +speed nature are hydreigon, haxorus, and lucario, but honestly none of them see that much usage and they usually run neutral natures themselves. I don't know if any notable KOs are gained through +atk, but I don't see the point in running +speed.
Mind you, I did read that part, but decided to segue into a discussion about the benefit of speed natures overall, since a lot of people fall into the trap of "Those Pokemon are not top 20, so why do I have to care about them?" I've even wanted to run Scarf Adamant Mence at one point, but was too scared by the thought of being caught off guard by an offensive QD Volcarona.He asked specifically for DDmence, and I doubt there is going to be a sudden influx of scarf Lucario and scarf Hydreigon.
Scarf Salamence however is really important, idk how I managed to forget about it.
Priority is the best way of handling DDMence after a boost, and the most common priority attacks (e.g. Mach Punch, Bullet Punch, Ice Shard, ExtremeSpeed) are physically-based. That alone should be a good enough reason to run Naive > Hasty.Timid Jirachi, Scarf Salamence, and HP ice Volcarona are definitely worth checking I suppose. I guess adamant doesn't matter as much once you've managed a DD and a moxie boost since you 2HKO everything in the metagame regardless of nature.
So if I go +speed, is naive recommended over hasty? Resisting Special attacks seems pretty useful in this rain dominated metagame, but having more physical bulk would be nice for taking priority moves.