A waste of a slot and horrible stab to boot. Metagross fails to KO anything and outspeed.What does everyone think of Metagross in the metagame? It seems to have fallen out of favour since this generation started. Does it fill any niches?
Any form of weather that's not Sand completely fucks Metagross over, and even then the best thing he can say about Sand is that it "doesn't hurt him, at least." His STABs are pitiful, he has 4MSS out the ass, and overall he just really wishes he was UU, where he could actually satisfy a pretty useful niche. Just use Jirachi.What does everyone think of Metagross in the metagame? It seems to have fallen out of favour since this generation started. Does it fill any niches?
This is unfortunately true, as rain has really overwhelmed the meta to the point that if you don't pack at least 2 solid, bulky water/grass types you might as well scoop against any common rain team. Even if/when Tornadus-t gets the boot I still feel rain will be very dominant, simple because of the immense offensive pressure from CM/choice Keldeo sets and powerful defensive tanks like Tentacruel and Ferrothorn. Hell Thundurs-t and Tornadus-i are solid enough (but waaaaaaay more manageable than Tornadus-t), rain will never be short on offensive behemoths. It's still really fun to pack a Swift Swim Kingdra on your team and watch them play "keep Ferrothorn alive or lose".Keldeo is a freakin' monster even with the prevalence of Tornadus-Therian...If Torn-T were to leave OU and leave Keldeo behind...yikes
Agreeing with DarkFallenAngel about Choice Scarf Keldeo. It really is a hell of a Pokemon to check. When I team build and I need to deal with Rain, Keldeo is a Pokemon that always seems to give me problems. I'm then usually forced to run some solid "counter" such as Celebi, Jellicent, or Amoonguss. Sadly SubCM variants can work around Amoonguss if it fails to put Keldeo to sleep. With enough CMs, Giga Drain will fail to work and CM Boosted, Rain Boosted, STAB Hydro Pumps will be nothing to scoff at. Celebi is in the same boat, unless it carries Perish Song, which it really should as it is one of the few reliable counters to Keldeo. Jellicent is another full-stop to Keldeo as long as it lacks HP Ghost. Modest Specs HP Ghost from Keldeo is a 2HKO on Utility Jellicent while Special Wall Variants get a 3HKO...meaning the Jellicent did nothing but sit there and not recover ._.
Due to threats like Keldeo, I think having a Bulky Water or Bulky Grass on your team is some what of a must at this point. They are so useful for checking and countering the never ending Rain that we see in OU
Politoed's scald does not hurt...Currently? I don't think there's much we can do, you basically NEED strong resists to hold off those painful Hydro Pumps. Seriously, even Politoed's Scalds hurt a lot in the rain (And I hate Scald, like Water-types really needed a buff). I hope that rain gets a nerf or all the other weathers (mainly hail) get buffed up to be able to compete, but it seems like Game Freak just hates Ice types. Hopefully we'll see a Swift Swim clone for Hail or a really good Blizzard spammer in gen VI.
After the (hopefully) Tornadus-t ban? Keldeo is going to go up in usage, so bulky Celebis everywhere, Jellicent will probably go up also. I also think that Rotom-W usage will go down, Thundurus-t is going to go up in usage A LOT, and Jirachi will probably go down a bit.
Utterly subjective, but it truthfully is the burn that annoys me most.Politoed's scald does not hurt...
What is this supposed to mean? I think I already knew that over 8 Pokemon resisted Water, but I don't usually run a team full of Water resists. The fact that I do usually pack 2 - 3 resists per team just shows the overall dominance of Rain.And are you aware how many checks there are to rain/water moves?
Celebi, amoongus, jellicent, vaporeon, tentacruel, latias, virizon, zapdos, the list goes on.
...Okay, I wasn't expecting a sudden gift from the heavens to hail teams, I know it's going to be this way for a while.Atm, there is nothing to do about the metagame until the suspect period ends, so all you can do is adapt to it.
I barely even played early BW2 as I jumped right back in after a hiatus. I know how to handle rain but it's prevalence and power can get pretty frustrating.you can't expect to walk in with an early bw2 team and still do as well as before, because the metagame is different
This is a very dangerous and slippery argument, so I'm not even going to go there.You shape your teams to the metagame, not the other way around
Lolwut? :p Dangerous and slippery? It isn't even an argument, it's a fact. It doesn't matter what YOU use, the metagame will stay the same. Therefore, you can either change what you use, or do poorly.This is a very dangerous and slippery argument, so I'm not even going to go there.
I guess you skipped the second half of that post.My point is, rather than talking about how annoying rain is, maybe discuss how to beat it, or what to run on it or what have you..
After the (hopefully) Tornadus-t ban? Keldeo is going to go up in usage, so bulky Celebis everywhere, Jellicent will probably go up also. I also think that Rotom-W usage will go down, Thundurus-t is going to go up in usage A LOT, and Jirachi will probably go down a bit.
What I'm getting at is that that can be perceived and used to justify a lot of things that would have rather poisonous effects on the meta.Lolwut? :p Dangerous and slippery? It isn't even an argument, it's a fact. It doesn't matter what YOU use, the metagame will stay the same.
Just going to respond to this passage, because it caught my attention and it's plain wrong. Having 2-3 water resistances proves almost nothing because:What is this supposed to mean? I think I already knew that over 8 Pokemon resisted Water, but I don't usually run a team full of Water resists. The fact that I do usually pack 2 - 3 resists per team just shows the overall dominance of Rain.
Alright...I'm sorry for my last post...I was real tired and kinda didn't realize how stupid my post sounded. What I meant was Keldeo and Tornadus-T are too powerful...I kinda generalized them as "Rain"....whoopsHopefully with Torn-T and Keldeo getting the boot, rain will go back to the, objectively strong but manageable, weather it was at the end of BW\1.
It should be noted that Ferrothorn cannot take Secret Sword from Keldeo, and most of those cited Water resists cannot actually take repeated rain-boosted Water-type attacks. To name a few: Starmie, Salamence, and Keldeo. What makes difference here is when you can deal with the opposing Pokémon that has strong, rain-boosted Water attacks by other means, like revenge killing it or outspeeding and KOing with another attack.Alright...I'm sorry for my last post...I was real tired and kinda didn't realize how stupid my post sounded. What I meant was Keldeo and Tornadus-T are too powerful...I kinda generalized them as "Rain"....whoops
I feel that if Torn-T gets the boot Rain is going to be become one step more manageabler....if that makes sense
Keldeo is still a powerhouse of this meta, but for some reason I forgot Latias, Latios, Dragonites, and Ferrothorns existed. All of these Pokemon are able to tank some Hydro Pumps and respond accordingly.
Despite how Rain is not as godly as it sounds, it still is one heck of a dominant playstyle...
That's why I said "some Hydro Pumps" n_nIt should be noted that Ferrothorn cannot take Secret Sword from Keldeo, and most of those cited Water resists cannot actually take repeated rain-boosted Water-type attacks. To name a few: Starmie, Salamence, and Keldeo. What makes difference here is when you can deal with the opposing Pokémon that has strong, rain-boosted Water attacks by other means, like revenge killing it or outspeeding and KOing with another attack.
Kabutops Landorus I (Rock Polish variant)Answer: Because they're a huge liability outside of rain, and rain Ferrothorn can easily check most SS'ers as well (like Kingdra since its the most common used, if ever used).
Low sweep is better because it has 120 base against ferro and 100 against heatran, moreover your attack stat doesnt drop. Just as a suggestion if you are going to use it.Rapid Spin / Aerial Ace (Keldeo) / Super Power (Guess Who?)