Joimmons [OM no longer in development]

[hathater]

everything here make so much sense!

 

[Joim]

I will check all suggestions :)

I missed a Gunk Shot! ;-;

wut
I will look into it

I dont agree with several things. For start, paralysis shouldnt be only for electric attacks.
what about moves like stun spore?
i always related poison with paralisis too
dragon shouldnt be immune to fire, is better 1/2, like always. just to avoid free switches.
mewtwo? storm drain? really? man, that's pure fanboysm, download is credible, for the artificial stuff, but not storm drain. kinda sux. electric should x2 steel. steel 'conductives' electricity. fight should x2 bug. bug should do normal dmg to dragon. in pokemon bugs are big, the main reason why a bug do little damage to a dragon is size. ferrothorn with synthesis is abusive, but the intention to play weather with it is good. i should quit synthesis on ferrothorn though. i saw a nice idea on zarel with the 'strength' attack and is give a 30% chance to boost attack. u can try to put that. i would normalize focus blast too, lowering power but increasing accuracy.

Scald does not burn fire types :X
Yeah, Mewtwo changes are because I can. I will make it the most powerful Uber, deal with it :P

Ferrothorn is best used in rain which ruins synthesis, I thought it would be cool since you'd need to run different weathers.

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I made Focus Blast 120 BP and 85% accuracy, Stone Edge 100% accuracy, 95 BP and normal crit rate.

 

[hay]

Hey Joim, since this tier is so wicked i was wondering if you could make it possibel for giratina to be in origin form without the orb. that way it can have lefties,specs whatever. will you maybe consider it?

 

[Kirbyofthestars]

Hrm... last night, I fought a Joimmons battle; it was very interesting!

My team consists of Muk, Gliscor, Forretress, Scizor, Reuniclus, and Salamence. Somebody told me (please excuse me for not remembering your name! :P) that my team was similar to yours, Joim, I believe??

 

[Joim]

Yeah, it reminds of my own Toxic Rain team, excellent choices, only I believe Ferrothorn outclasses Forretress entirely in Joimmons now, unless I boost Forretress' stats, hehe

 

[Pikachuun]

I honestly think that instead of download you should give mewtwo no guard, because it is primarily used for special attacks anyway :L

 

[lousy918]

I honestly think that instead of download you should give mewtwo no guard, because it is primarily used for special attacks anyway :L

? I don't understand?? no guard makes the opponent and you guaranteed to never miss, how is that related to special attacks? no guard is primarily used on machamp and golurk for dynamicpunch, no?

 

[Pikachuun]

Good point. I was just thinking about thunder on a sun team, blizzard on a diff weather team, etc. etc. etc.

 

[Present]

Quick guestions:

Does Zapdos get the tier shift boost?

Do Dragon/Fire types get double stab on fire attacks (see charizard)?

 

[StarmanXL]

All I want to see from this is wider distribution of Friend Guard, Healer, Telepathy, After You, and Quash.


Friend Guard Cress anyone?

 

[Present]

Trickster trickroom only lasts 5 turns, including the first one, instead of 7. (or eternally, like insta weather does). I'd say Trickster should lasts the entire game like weather does. That would make things much more interesting. Of course then there must be some kind of move to reverse the trickroom effect though.

see turn 21-28

RealPresent joined.
YellowLord joined.
Format:
Joimmons OU
Sleep Clause: Limit one foe put to sleep
Species Clause:Limit one of each Pokemon
OHKO Clause:OHKO moves are banned
Moody Clause:Moody is banned
Evasion Moves Clause: Evasion moves are banned
RealPresent's team:Jellicent / Zapdos / Marowak / Latias / Reuniclus / Ferrothorn
YellowLord's team:Reuniclus / Jellicent / Gastrodon / Conkeldurr / Dusclops / Chansey
Battle between RealPresent and YellowLord started!

Go! Ferrothorn!

YellowLord sent out Reuniclus!
[DEBUG] Starting Trickster Trick Room.
[DEBUG] Trick Room duration callback.​

Turn 1

Ferrothorn used Leech Seed!
The foe's Reuniclus was seeded!

The foe's Reuniclus usedFocus Blast!
It's super effective!Ferrothorn lost58% of its health!

Ferrothorn restored HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's Reuniclus's health is sapped by Leech Seed!​

Turn 2

Ferrothorn, come back!

Go! Jellicent!
Jellicent's Drizzle made it rain!

YellowLord withdrew Reuniclus!

YellowLord sent out Conkeldurr!​

Turn 3

YellowLord withdrew Conkeldurr!

YellowLord sent out Gastrodon!

Jellicent usedIce Beam!
It's super effective! The foe's Gastrodon lost54% of its health!

The foe's Gastrodon restored HP using its Leftovers!​

Turn 4

The foe's Gastrodon usedToxic!
Jellicent was badly poisoned!

Jellicent usedIce Beam!
It's super effective! The foe's Gastrodon lost52% of its health!

The foe's Gastrodon restored HP using its Leftovers!
Jellicent was hurt by poison!​

Turn 5

The foe's Gastrodon usedRecover!
The foe's Gastrodon regained health!

Jellicent usedWill-O-Wisp!
The foe's Gastrodon was burned!

The foe's Gastrodon restored HP using its Leftovers!
Jellicent restored HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's Gastrodon was hurt by its burn!
Jellicent was hurt by poison!​

Turn 6

Jellicent, come back!

Go! Ferrothorn!

YellowLord withdrew Gastrodon!

YellowLord sent out Dusclops!
The foe's Dusclops is exerting its pressure!

Ferrothorn restored HP using its Leftovers!​

Turn 7

The foe's Dusclops usedSubstitute!
The foe's Dusclops put in a substitute!
The foe's Dusclops lost 25% of its health!

Ferrothorn used Leech Seed!
But it failed!

Ferrothorn restored HP using its Leftovers!​

Turn 8

Ferrothorn, come back!

Go! Latias!

The foe's Dusclops usedWill-O-Wisp!
[DEBUG] natural immunity.
[DEBUG] immune to status.​

Turn 9

Latias usedCalm Mind!
Latias's Special Attack rose!
Latias's Special Defense rose!

The foe's Dusclops usedPain Split!
The battlers shared their pain!

Latias restored HP using its Leftovers!​

Turn 10

Latias usedSubstitute!
Latias put in a substitute!
Latias lost 25% of its health!

The foe's Dusclops usedSeismic Toss!
Latias's substitute faded!

Latias restored HP using its Leftovers!​

Turn 11

Latias usedCalm Mind!
Latias's Special Attack rose!
Latias's Special Defense rose!

The foe's Dusclops usedSeismic Toss!
Latias lost 27% of its health!

Latias restored HP using its Leftovers!​

Turn 12

Latias usedRoost!
Latias regained health!

The foe's Dusclops usedSeismic Toss!
Latias lost 27% of its health!

Latias restored HP using its Leftovers!​

Turn 13

Latias usedCalm Mind!
Latias's Special Attack rose!
Latias's Special Defense rose!

The foe's Dusclops usedSeismic Toss!
Latias lost 27% of its health!

Latias restored HP using its Leftovers!​

Turn 14

Latias usedCalm Mind!
Latias's Special Attack rose!
Latias's Special Defense rose!

The foe's Dusclops usedSeismic Toss!
Latias lost 27% of its health!

Latias restored HP using its Leftovers!​

Turn 15

Latias usedRoost!
Latias regained health!

The foe's Dusclops usedSeismic Toss!
Latias lost 27% of its health!

Latias restored HP using its Leftovers!​

Turn 16

Latias usedCalm Mind!
Latias's Special Attack rose!
Latias's Special Defense rose!

The foe's Dusclops usedSeismic Toss!
Latias lost 27% of its health!

Latias restored HP using its Leftovers!​

Turn 17

Latias usedCalm Mind!
Latias's Special Attack rose!
Latias's Special Defense rose!

The foe's Dusclops usedSeismic Toss!
Latias lost 27% of its health!

Latias restored HP using its Leftovers!​

Turn 18

Latias usedRoost!
Latias regained health!

The foe's Dusclops usedSeismic Toss!
Latias lost 27% of its health!

Latias restored HP using its Leftovers!​

Turn 19

Latias usedDragon Pulse!
[DEBUG] STAB boost.
The foe's Dusclops's substitute faded!

The foe's Dusclops usedSeismic Toss!
Latias lost 27% of its health!

Latias restored HP using its Leftovers!​

Turn 20

Latias usedRoost!
Latias regained health!

The foe's Dusclops usedSeismic Toss!
Latias lost 27% of its health!

Latias restored HP using its Leftovers!​

Turn 21

Latias usedDragon Pulse!
[DEBUG] STAB boost.
A critical hit! The foe's Dusclops lost98% of its health!

The foe's Dusclops fainted!

Latias restored HP using its Leftovers!

YellowLord sent out Reuniclus!
[DEBUG] Starting Trickster Trick Room.
[DEBUG] Trick Room duration callback.​

Turn 22

The foe's Reuniclus usedPsychic!
[DEBUG] STAB boost.
It's not very effective... Latias lost 2% of its health!

Latias usedSubstitute!
Latias put in a substitute!
Latias lost 25% of its health!

The foe's Reuniclus restored HP using its Leftovers!
Latias restored HP using its Leftovers!​

Turn 23

The foe's Reuniclus usedPsychic!
[DEBUG] STAB boost.
It's not very effective... The substitute took damage for Latias!

Latias usedDragon Pulse!
[DEBUG] STAB boost.
The foe's Reuniclus lost 94%of its health!

The foe's Reuniclus fainted!

Latias restored HP using its Leftovers!

YellowLord sent out Conkeldurr!​

Turn 24

The foe's Conkeldurr used Ice Punch!
Latias's substitute faded!

Latias usedDragon Pulse!
[DEBUG] STAB boost.
It's not very effective... The foe's Conkeldurr lost 77% of its health!

The foe's Conkeldurr restored HP using its Leftovers!
Latias restored HP using its Leftovers!​

Turn 25

The foe's Conkeldurr used Ice Punch!
Latias lost 33% of its health!

Latias usedRoost!
Latias regained health!

The foe's Conkeldurr restored HP using its Leftovers!
Latias restored HP using its Leftovers!​

Turn 26

The foe's Conkeldurr used Ice Punch!
Latias lost 29% of its health!

Latias usedRoost!
Latias regained health!

The foe's Conkeldurr restored HP using its Leftovers!
Latias restored HP using its Leftovers!​

Turn 27

Latias usedDragon Pulse!
[DEBUG] STAB boost.
It's not very effective... The foe's Conkeldurr lost 40% of its health!

The foe's Conkeldurr fainted!

YellowLord sent out Jellicent!​

Turn 28

Latias usedSubstitute!
Latias put in a substitute!
Latias lost 25% of its health!

The foe's Jellicent usedShadow Ball!
[DEBUG] STAB boost.
It's super effective! The substitute took damage for Latias!

Latias restored HP using its Leftovers! ​

​

 

[biggie]

Poison type immune to poison type means that Toxic Spikes don't get absorbed. I don't care for this :<

 

[ryan]

Poison type immune to poison type means that Toxic Spikes don't get absorbed. I don't care for this :<

lol this.

Also, just wondering if any headway has been made on Poison type attacks hitting in Toxic Rain. I've missed a few Gunk Shots now. :[

Quick guestions:

Does Zapdos get the tier shift boost?

Do Dragon/Fire types get double stab on fire attacks (see charizard)?

Also, yes and no respectively on this.

 

[Pikachuun]

I have a suggestion. (Most) Metal conducts Electricity. I propose that Electric is super effective against Steel.

 

[Present]

I propose the same, mostly because the metalions in water make electricity super effective against water, so logically it must be even more super effective on metal. :) That would be a nice trade for the water resistance.

 

[SmashBrosBrawl]

Every pokemon with focus blast learn aura sphere. Nerf dragons. Make Nasty Plot widely distributed. Now you can take my money.

 

[bobbyvaporeon]

Im making a Joimmons UU by making a list of the top Pokemon in this meta and banning them.

 

[Joim]

I'm sorry I haven't been able to give more attention to Joimmons thread as I was on Valencia fallas. Thank you all a lot for your input! I'm gonna see what changes I can introduce and I'm gonna revamp the OP so this is taken more seriously by people with no sense of humour :P

Edit:
-Leech seed now deals different damage deppending on Pokemon resistances.
-Poison Pokémon keep removing Toxic Spikes even if they are immune.
-Blastoise has now the abilities Drizzle, Hydration, and Rain Dish.
-Ferrothorn has now the abilities Iron Barbs, Levitate (it's levitating on the sprite), and Heat Proof. The later is added since Synthesis is basically useless in rain and Ferrothorn has gained a new 4x weakness to Bug in this mod, so it can keep just one 4x weakness since it's a defensive mon, or it prefers to run two 4x weaknesses but Levitate to avoid strong neutral EQs.

Edit2:

Hey Joim, since this tier is so wicked i was wondering if you could make it possibel for giratina to be in origin form without the orb. that way it can have lefties,specs whatever. will you maybe consider it?

That'd be a tad OP and would make little sense. Also it's not Mewtwo :P

I honestly think that instead of download you should give mewtwo no guard, because it is primarily used for special attacks anyway :L

Mewtwo barely never uses non-100% accuracy moves.

Trickster trickroom only lasts 5 turns, including the first one, instead of 7. (or eternally, like insta weather does). I'd say Trickster should lasts the entire game like weather does. That would make things much more interesting. Of course then there must be some kind of move to reverse the trickroom effect though.

Should be like that, it'd be too OP otherwise >.>

Poison type immune to poison type means that Toxic Spikes don't get absorbed. I don't care for this :<

Fixed!

I have a suggestion. (Most) Metal conducts Electricity. I propose that Electric is super effective against Steel.

Stainless Steel is a very bad conductor.

 

[Captain Apollo]

You should give something else Snow Warning and give Rotom-S a new ability and Hurricane

 

[PureQuestion]

Mewtwo barely never uses non-100% accuracy moves.

...Yeah, because it doesn't have No Guard. If it had no guard it'd be free to run around spamming Blizzards, Thunders, Focus Blast, and once the upcoming event is released, Hurricane.

 

[Joim]

You should give something else Snow Warning and give Rotom-S a new ability and Hurricane

That's a good point:
-Lapras gets Water Absorb, Hydration, and Snow Warning.
-Delibird gets Vital Spirit, Insomnia, and Snow Warning.
-Vanilluxe gets Ice Body, Snow Warning, and Snow Cloak.
-Rotom-S now gets Static and Lightningrod, also Hurricane.
-Slaking gets now Mold Breaker and Thick Fat.

...Yeah, because it doesn't have No Guard. If it had no guard it'd be free to run around spamming Blizzards, Thunders, Focus Blast, and once the upcoming event is released, Hurricane.

You have a point, but adaptability Psystrike will be better :p

 

[Aasgier]

If anything, Bugs need a huge buff. Most of them reside in NU. And you nerfed Bugs through screwing their matchup against Dragons and Psychic, even though they gain SE coverage against Steels - but most bugs are still somewhat afraid of Steels because of their common access to Rock-type attacks.

Furthermore, certain Pokémon will remain somewhat bad because of poor coverage. I am looking at multiple Eeveelutions. Jolteon became outclassed by Zebstrika, while Flareon, Glaceon and Leafeon just have bad coverage. Leavanny is in the same boat.

EDIT: Let's not forget Gigalith, Pikachu and UNOWN if we are talking about Pokémon that want a bigger movepool. Delcatty, Ledian, Delibird and a few others also have obvious issues which aren't fixed with increased stats.

 

[Joim]

I will buff Bugs, presumably tomorrow. I will add moves to eeveelutions to make them better. Btw, update: Poliwrath now gets Close Combat and Focus Punch from gen 5 TM.

 

[lousy918]

Bugs should now hit rock and ground types super effectively lol, coz some bugs live in them.
also mewtwo gets nasty plot coz cats are unpredictable and I bet they're always planning how to take out their owner or get food or sth
EDIT: thinking of tail glow for mewtwo's tail

 

[ZandgaiaX]

farfetch'd needs love :P

I may try this sometime eh, looks interesting :3

Also, Delibird for OU!