lucario definitely has one of the worst cases of 4mss i've ever seen, up there with reuniclus, but come on. that doesn't mean it isn't a super threatening late game sweeper. close combat's really too strong coming off 110 atk, stab, and life orb. yes, g-von, it is relevant that luke can ohko skarm with +2 cc after rocks, that's part of what makes it so threatening to stall teams once the particular threat that it can't power through is removed (jellicent, gliscor, lando-t, etc.) and yes i recognize that luke will never be able to beat everything, it's always going to be unable to punch through something, but that's what team support is for. if you choose to forego crunch in favor of ice punch, now you can't sweep through jelli, slowbro, reun, etc., all of which are conveniently pursuit trapped by cbtar. see how easy that was? a little support goes a long way with this guy, by all means he's one of the top 5 most threatening sweepers in bw2 ou.