But melee mewtwo, we already decided on dialga and we already agreed on no more revoting. And blitzlefan was so insistent on it, people thought dialga could check ghostceus. So now we're forced to pick gira-o to stop blaziken and then we have to pick a 6th mon to stop ghostceus from steamrolling us.
Also remember according to blitzle ghostceus is RARE because its ONLY seen on 15% of teams so its not worth getting a decent check/counter for. I mean sure it's rank 15 on usage but blitzle doesn't agree with getting a check to anything past rank 7 on usage. So mehs
Check usage stats for once please. Also you're completely wrong if you think dragon tail and shadow sneak ignore speed. But lets digress since you can't seem to get anything without three or four posts and even then you still wouldn't understand.
Earthquake is for escadrill/tenta/dialga which it will outspeed or in exca's case kill. Dragon tail and shadow sneak do not bypass speed. They lower your priority but if a Pokemon uses the same priority then speed begins to matter again. So against pokes like groudon who cannot harm gira-o effectively bar stone miss they'll be forced to phaze in which case we outspeed and phaze instead thus racking up hazard damage.
I'm incredibly pissed off right now. Does me suggesting/defending Dialga on this team really merit so many personal attacks? Does saying that "you can't seem to get anything without three or four posts and even then you still wouldn't understand" really necessary? Ignore the awful grammar and the blatant rudeness; does a disagreement really justify basically calling me a moron?
Fine, you can call me out for a submission that I later recognized, compared to Darkrai, wasn't as good in the role we're looking at. But also, look back and see that I voted for Darkrai, something other than Dialga. Go ahead and be a jerk to me, I don't care. Second, I said that we did need a check for Arceus-Ghost. How ignorant can you be? Furthermore, people voted for Dialga because they think it can work, not because I hypnotized them or anything;
if what you voted for was better, then it would've been accepted onto the team rather than Dialga. For all you talk about "I just realized how flawed our way of building a team via voting proposed members is.", you somehow don't realize that
intelligent players can vote for the set that they think best fits, and that I only had ONE vote, not nearly enough to change the outcome of the voting.
If you had created a better argument (other than "I liked mandibuzz and sableye alot during that research week. Despite first appearances they can be surprisingly useful. Count my vote towards mandibuzz. A vote for mandibuzz is a vote towards freedom!", which is basically the ONLY thing you said),
then obviously a better Pokemon more suitable to your liking than Dialga would've been chosen.
Originally Posted by Fat blitzlefan
Well yeah, kind of. It's not overly common so we should be able to get by with a check instead of a full-blown counter like Mandibuzz. Are you going to find hard counters to every threat imaginable? Obviously not. Instead, we can afford to go with checks/revenge killers instead.
Did you not understand this?
I said that because it's not as common, we can use a CHECK instead of a COUNTER. Hey guess what, we don't have a COUNTER for Kyogre, or Arceus-Normal, or Groudon, or Palkia! Do you want to run Gastrodon/Skarmory/Ferrothorn too? Apparently we need hard counters for everything. You twisted my words and somehow arrived at the conclusion that "blitzle doesn't agree with getting a check to anything past rank 7 on usage". Honestly, what the heck?
Dragon Tail and Shadow Sneak for the majority of the time, DO ignore speed in Ubers. First, there are barely any moves used in Ubers with +1 priority with the exception of Giratina-O, which renders your point moot. Are we afraid of Kabutops' Aqua Jet (32|Kabutops|4.41131%), or is it Cloyster / Mamoswine's Ice Shard (46|Cloyster|2.28455%) (60| Mamoswine|1.20033%), or perhaps Bullet Punch from Scizor (54|Scizor|1.83061%), or Mach Punch from Breloom (61|Breloom|1.12048%) or Vacuum Wave / Bullet Punch from Lucario (83|Lucario| 0.57639%)? I think I got my point across. Secondly, Pokemon using Dragon Tail and Roar rarely run more than 4 or 8 points of speed creep, preferring either maximum Atk/SpA, or maximum bulk, with the exception of SubShuffler Giratina-O and some variants of Lugia (Lugia will outspeed Giratina-O basically no matter what, so this again is a moot point). SubShuffler Giratina-O runs speed creep to beat out Tentacruel, as you said, NOT to outspeed Dialga or Groudon, which rarely run max speed except for on offensive sets NOT running Dragon Tail / Roar.
tl;dr
If you're going to respond, Haruno, please quadruple post or I might not understand. Also, come up with some real arguments and back them up with your own statistics instead of just attacking me personally. Seriously, bring some game, (not Choice Scarf Heart Swap Manaphy though please). Thanks for your consideration! :)