it's discussion, not yet a poll; that will all come later.
as for mass removal, watered down or more costly versions of dark hole and maybe lightning vortex are acceptable (or maybe even a straight copy), but they're huge hits to decks that summon monsters at lower speeds.
heavy storm and giant trunade however, do not target monsters, and monsters are both the primary offense and defense. although they can both hit hard, they won't open up your enemy for a direct attack if you don't have a monster advantage already.
