So, I think we've gotten to the point where the OO:SOS metagame has stabilized enough to see some dominant strategies arise (namely skybridges). This thread will be for nominating things that you think are broken and naming possible solutions to said imbalances.

oh am i that guy?

skyrbidges are strong

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The new map is a lot worse than the original imo, because whoever dominates the center planet by the first night is p much the winner, unless they fuck up and don't have arrows to defend it. Bed on the planet + Bow is basically unstoppable.

I think the biggest problem with OO:SOS thus far has been the fact that games are decided less than halfway through the match. The first team to get a bed and a bow up high nearly always wins, unless the other team manages to pearl onto their home planet (and even then the mother in iron armor will just fuck them up).

To fix this problem, I suggest we ban beds on the ground, and instead have one set at the end of each team's tunnel. This prevents games being decided far before they end, the "throw ourselves at the other team until we break their bed or vice versa" mentality of most games, and also discourages skybridges because if you die up top, they can easily one-way the bridge and ladder/stairs before you get back. In addition, I think there needs to be more space between nodes and planets, imo there should be enough that you can't pearl onto a home planet from the center planet. The center planet should also be a bit lower, it is way too high up as is, which is one of the major reasons it is such a pain in the ass to take.

Like really beds at the drop point would be a good change :x

Less diamonds in centre, less gravel in the map so arrows stop being so OP.

Diamonds shouldn't be protected by lava source blocks that is insane, I know I suggested obsidian, but maybe just one lava source block? I think in mcedit you can mess around with the stuff.

Or maybe a chest with all the diamonds, with one obsidian block above it, and bedrock on all sides and bottom. That way by getting to the chest there would still be no obsidian available to the players.

Right now we have changed focus from rushing past iron to the secondary nodes to rushing the centre. We need a point where taking one node will not ruin the chances of the other team.

Didn't even notice this topic. Skybridging is obvious and has been dealt with to some degree, so I'll skip it for now.


Beds:
I agree with borogoves, beds need tweaking.

Though I originally advocated beds at the planet drop point, it would make winning difficult when you have a constant wave of defenders dropping in. The reason we can win now is removing the opponent's bed from the planet, allowing adequate time to sabotage and reach the core.

I like von's original suggestion of having no beds at all though, so that the run back to your planet simulates a respawn timer. Anybody that plays first person shooters should understand this. In games like Call of Duty where you can respawn immediately players tend to be wreckless and don't have any reason to be careful, but in games like Battlefield there tends to be a slower pace because death means you're out of the game for a time.

As it is now we can establish a forward bed and literally throw bodies at the other team until they go straight defensive (usually by destroying their own bridge). That kind of staying power is what decides games halfway through and makes the game kind of miserable for the opposing team.

Adding consequences to death will probably completely change the game, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. Momentum will still play a pivotal role, the difference being it isn't established 5 minutes in and impossible to turn around. Instead, it will become a calculated effort of choosing when to stand down and when to strike.

Removing beds will also remove one of the biggest reasons that skybridges are a threat. Take away a team's staying power and ability to throw constant bodies down from the bridge and it becomes a double-edged sword where dying means it could be captured and used against you.

Bows:
I don't know exactly how much gravel is on the map anymore, but in the games I played we only got the 20 gravel from the first node and that felt completely fine. Again idk how much the second nodes add, so maybe the amount does need tweaking.

But the real issue with bows is enchanting. Power bows are the reason bows are ridiculous, not the quantity of arrows. It changes a 3HKO to a 2HKO, giving a significant amount of mileage per arrow and an impenetrable defense. In fact bows are so intense right now that you can get shot to death before you really know what's hitting you. Removing enchanting will immediately bring bows back into the "manageable" range.

I think we should give beds at the drop point a test first, then no beds if it doesn't work out. I don't think it would be hard to win at all, if you have 2-3 people on the opposing team's planet someone will almost always be able to sneak in and flip the switch, even when the other team keeps respawning.

Removing enchanting is a v good idea, an enchanted bow up higher than you means you literally can make no progress unless you tard pillar up like 50 blocks back and make a ladder, and even then there is no guarantee that they won't shoot you off. Also, ladders are the worst thing because they are one-wayed soooo easily. Remove enchanting and I think this will be dealt with to an extent.