Can someone at least change the damn name of the topic already?
EVOLITE stone
WTF
EVOLITE stone
WTF
Better tier or not, doesn't change the fact that UU has the sheer power to wreck Duosion.I don't see why it would be incredibly hard to set up. Reuniclus works great in OU, so I don't see why little brother Duosion couldn't work at least decently in UU. Yes, yes, I know Reuniclus is much better and blah blah, but this is a different tier.
And Duosion has decent bulk with Eviolite, but most importantly, you have to take into consideration that has reliable, instant recovery and an immunity to Burn/Toxic/Hail/Sandstorm/Spikes/Toxic Spikes/Stealth Rock/Leech Seed.
Higher stats with lower HP = taking more % damage from attacks. Pain Split doesn't seem like a good enough reason to sacrifice bulk...The reason I didn't max the HP, is
1. pain split and
2. This way, you get the highest investment of both DEF AND sDEF.
That's good to know. However, I believe that if you are running a defensive Scyther, then you probably picked the wrong Pokemon. If you are using Scyther, you really should be utilizing its great Speed, and possibly its great attack. He can't really wall, only tank, and the extra bulk should be used to let him get some boosts and sweep, which he really needs the speed for.For anyone who wants to use Eviolite Scyther, I'm pretty sure you can get optimum bulk with 84 HP EVs and 212 in each defense. I could be wrong, though. This obviously doesn't apply if you're trying to maximize special or physical bulk at the cost of the other.
I'm fairly positive that this is incorrect.For anyone who wants to use Eviolite Scyther, I'm pretty sure you can get optimum bulk with 84 HP EVs and 212 in each defense. I could be wrong, though. This obviously doesn't apply if you're trying to maximize special or physical bulk at the cost of the other.
I have only tried using the Eviolite with Dusclops and have had quite the success with it. I usually run it in Doubles as a supportive 'mon...
Pain Spilt
Will-O-Wisp
Confuse Ray
Shadow Sneak
Just wanted to point out that Haxorus isn't a pseudo-legendary. Also, so this post has some use...Uh, what about the greatness of the pre-pseudos. Fraxure can destroy a lot in LU/UU.
Lairon is cool, with that 150 BP STAB making up for his otherwise lacklustre offense. Sand + Evolite also make him incredibly bulky on his special side. That reliance on weather and weakness or neutrality to a lot of special attacks does unfortnately leave him to the role of taking on sweepers with limited coverage/ability to boost and a resisted STAB. It's a shame that he can't even touch one of the most powerful special attackers in the tier, Nidoking.Anybody tried Rhydon/Lairon/Cranidos/Kadabra?
I've seen a Rest/Sleep Talk/EQ/Dragon Tail Rhydon set with Sand and entry hazard support and it really annoyed me, but Rhyperior can do the same thing (although I'm not sure if it does better or worse)Anybody tried Rhydon/Lairon/Cranidos/Kadabra?
The irony is that Mold Breaker Fraxure can OHKO Lairon with Earthquake.Just wanted to point out that Haxorus isn't a pseudo-legendary. Also, so this post has some use...
Lairon is cool, with that 150 BP STAB making up for his otherwise lacklustre offense. Sand + Evolite also make him incredibly bulky on his special side. That reliance on weather and weakness or neutrality to a lot of special attacks does unfortnately leave him to the role of taking on sweepers with limited coverage/ability to boost and a resisted STAB. It's a shame that he can't even touch one of the most powerful special attackers in the tier, Nidoking.
You are right, but the explanation is wtong. Pokemon with good defenses and low HP (base stat wise) should always have their HP maxed, true, but the real reason is:Higher stats with lower HP = taking more % damage from attacks. Pain Split doesn't seem like a good enough reason to sacrifice bulk...
I have no clue what you're saying, but I think aussieman had it right in the first place.You are right, but the explanation is wtong. Pokemon with good defenses and low HP (base stat wise) should always have their HP maxed, true, but the real reason is:
Lets say EVs give 20 points in the stats, and our pokemon, without EVs, have 20 hp and 100 defense.
-252/128/128 spread will have 40/110/110 defense stats, meaning it will be 120% bulkier than the original spread.
-0/252/252 spread would have 20/120/120 defense stats, meaning it will be 20% bulkier than the original spread.
I don't think Lairon has the same HP when he doesn't have something invested.I don't understand why people mess with the HP stat. HP never changes. Just do a simple backwards stat calc to get the effective stat. The only difference is that it varies with the EV spread.
For Lairon:
If it runs 252 HP / 252 SpD then it is effectively base 60/221/102
If it runs 252 HP / 252 Def then it is effectively base 60/237/86
or if for some reason you do 252 in both defenses: 60/237/102
I do it for convenience's sake. If I give you 60/102 on that Lairon, that's not too geat to judge. However, if I give you 140/140/50, that's more understandable, I feel.I don't understand why people mess with the HP stat. HP never changes. Just do a simple backwards stat calc to get the effective stat. The only difference is that it varies with the EV spread.
For Lairon:
If it runs 252 HP / 252 SpD then it is effectively base 60/221/102
If it runs 252 HP / 252 Def then it is effectively base 60/237/86
or if for some reason you do 252 in both defenses: 60/237/102
Those were effective base stats. Since HP is not effected by the Eviolite, the effective base is just the actual base, which doesn't change with investment.I don't think Lairon has the same HP when he doesn't have something invested.
I guess I see what you mean. It's just personal opinion. I just prefer to see what the actual equivalent is for each stat, since that helps me compare them to similar Pokemon. I can quickly look at a list of base stats and see that at 60/102 it takes special hits slightly worse than a Mismagius (60/105). But there is no real Pokemon to get an accurate comparison to for 140/140/50. But if you like that way, then go for it.I do it for convenience's sake. If I give you 60/102 on that Lairon, that's not too geat to judge. However, if I give you 140/140/50, that's more understandable, I feel.
Also, it goes off of the HP stat, which everybody maxes, instead of individual defences (which are split, more often than not). Unless you're talking about high base HP pokes (where hp is npot necessarily maxed), HP provides a better image of bulkiness.