When i am talking about variety,no i am not referribg to rain stal which is almost non-exist.Nor i am talking to ou pokes which abuse rain...I am talking about every poke that gets an ou analyses without being ou 'cause of drizzle!This is variety!
Can you list the "so many Pokemon" that Drizzle makes viable in OU? If you are referring to only
Politoed, Toxicroak and maybe Tornados, I wouldn't classify this as 'so many'.
If drizzle goes all these pokes will stop getting used and will not be replaced by somethiing else as rain will be no more....
Well yea, if Drizzle was banned ('Drizzle viable OU') rain abuser's such as Toxicroak and Tornados would not be replaced by other ('Drizzle viable OU') rain abusers because Drizzle is no longer existent =S
And I doubt anyone would be that devastated by the loss of Toxicroak and Tornados leaving OU. Other Pokemon (that have their own niches) would eventually replace them. If Toxicroak's place is filled by 50% Hitmontop and 50% Throh then that would be promoting variety. Although the removal of Drizzle would only drop 'Toxicroak and Tornados' back to UU and therefore there isn't much room for variety in this sense, it would however relax team building restrictions as no one would need to worry about using Fire moves any more or even have to worry about holding back the strong powerful attacks fired off because Drizzle. I predict that Pokemon like Infernape and Conkeldurr would increase in usage without Drizzle however I do not have solid proof because we don't have a Drizzless ladder. Therefore I guess this is based on theory.
And also about thundurus in rain as i told before thunder lets it beat jirachi but thats all.Using thunder means that you are screwd if you don't keep your weather up 'cause your only stab has 70%acc...And t-bolt anyways almost always gets the job done at+2 so i don't think that drizzle breaks thundurus but that is a matter of opinion...
From my observation I see Thunder used a lot more than Thunderbolt on Pokemon in general. In fact, I see Volt Switch used more than Thunderbolt now.
Anyway on the topic of Thundurus, I think we can all agree Drizzle doesn't break Thundurus, it does however make it more powerful which is the point my fellow anti-Drizzler's are trying to make. In other words, Drizzle gives a super boost to already powerful Pokemon.
And finally yes all these pokes that you mentioned become very good under drizzle but none becomes broken and all are very manageable(except thundurus which is anyway broken imo).
In my opinion the only thing Drizzle officially breaks is Manaphy and some swift swimmers, but what really makes Drizzle a powerful force to be reckoned with is that it gives
many Pokemon a statistical advantage or disadvantage (without using a move). Realistically a Drizzle team is centred around the benefits Drizzle brings and therefore all team members obtain some sort of statistical advantage by it. Additionally there is no reliable way to get rid of Drizzle (and all the advantages and disadvantages it brings) without using inducing your own weather.
Also right now the more succesful weather is sand so i don't know why rain is discussed...
I doubt any Anti-Weather supporters find the weather condition 'SandStorm' broken. It only gives off a Sp.def boost to Rock Types (which basically only effects Tyranitar and Terrakion in OU) and ignites weather inducing abilities such as Sand Rush, Sand Power and Sand Veil, however in my opinion only Excadrill is broken in sandstorm. The last additional effect of sandstorm i.e chips of HP, is insignificant as hail gives the same effects and we can all agree hail as a weather isn't broken. Therefore if anyone where to complain about Sandstorm, they would complain about 'Broken' Excadrill, and not the weather condition, because in this case the weather condition itself isn't an issue.
Politoed is not even at the top 10 and he is only in 1 every 10 teams...If tyranitar was used to counter rain so much then he would be just behind politoed countering him....Not above...!Right now sand is dominating the metagame so i really don't see the drizzle hype...
Those who oppose Drizzle, refer to Sandstorm as the anti-weather. As I have already explained, Sandstorm it's self (as a weather condition) is not broken, the actual benefit of using this weather in weather wars, is that it negates Drizzle/Drought advantages and disadvantages, plus it has Sand Rush Excadrill for extra kicks. If Sandstorm is the best effective counter to Drizzle which I believe it is, it would most likely be ahead on the ladder, not behind.
Also with drizzle gone the metagame will centralize even more around sand which means less diversity and less variety...
With Drizzle gone the Metagame will centralize even more around sand - Teams can therefore cut out many Pokemon which were dedicated towards stopping Drizzle's main threats, and thus teams can now solely focus on Sandstorm's abusers. The only Pokemon in Sandstorm which is broken in my opinion is Excadrill, which could possibly be banned eventually (along with Drought) to restore balance to the Metagame. With Drizzle and Drought gone and Sand under control we no longer have to ensure we have the limited number of specific counter's to weather abusers in our teams. Pokemon that didn't have a vital use in weather or stopping weather's abuser's can now be freely used again, thus promoting diversity and variety.
Again thundurus doesn't need drizzle's help to prove itself broken so...And don't foget that when you have thunder there is a very big chance that you will be fighting in sand and your main stab will have 70%acc!How great is this right?
As I have already explained earlier on, I agree that Thundurus is Thundurus and therefore it is deemed broken in it's own right, however the point is, Drizzle gives a super boost to already powerful Pokemon.
Furthermore, the only reason I would chose Thunderbolt over Thunder on Thundurus in reference to the typical Sandstorm team is for Skarmory. Electrical moves won't be hitting Ground Types such as Excadrill, Gliscor and Landorus and of course Hidden Power - Ice would be used in this scenario instead, and as for Tyranitar, Terrakion and Ferrothorn you would also use Focus Blast and not an electric attack. Overall Thunder is the superior option for Drizzle team Thundurus in my opinion.
With manaphy you have a point but still he is a broken poke under drizzle.There are so many other abusers that aren't...so?If drizzle doesn't even break the majority of it's abusers how can it be considered broken?
Overall Drizzle pushes already powerful Pokemon to the extreme. You are right in the sense that most Drizzle-boosted Pokemon do not reach the point of 'broken' in their own right, however Drizzle is ultimately giving everything that benefits under Drizzle some sort of statistical advantage (Thunder/Hurricane/WaterPowerBoost/FireWeakened/Abilities) most likely every member of the Drizzle-Team receives some sort of tactical boost without the player having to use a move. On the other hand, those who do not benefit under Drizzle are put at a disadvantage when battling those that do. Furthermore, there is no reliable way for the other player to get rid of all of Drizzle's effects without inducing his/her own weather.
I'm being to repeat myself now, so I'll try to skip anything that I think is repetitive.
Nice way to twist things.First of all kingdra wasn't uu before drizzle came out so it is 2 uu's...Let my try to twist things now!
The guy made a simple mistake when he said 'three' instead of 'two', no need to bite his head off x.x
A combination of factors were that made these pokes overpowered.Stats,moves,abilites typing and support!Not support alone....
Drizzle is fine!The broken abusers are not...
Well there is one thing I can slightly agree with you on. Excadrill is broken solely because of its ability - x2 Speed Boost in Sand, as the weather gives it no other benefits. In this scenario I blame the abuser and not the weather. However here comes the difficult part, are Swift Swimmer's broken because of their ability (x2 speed boost) or the power that Drizzle grants them? Or the combination of both? I'll admit I think it's the combination of both the power boost and speed boost that makes them broken. I know I should not be mentioning this in particular as it slightly faulter's those who oppose Drizzle's arguments in reference to Swift Swim/ Sand Rush, but I plan to speak what I think is the truth.
Saying all that however, the high majority of us can agree that Sandstorm itself (as a weather condition) is not broken, which therefore makes it manageable as a permanent weather. On the other hand though, in my opinion Rain as a permanent weather is too over powered. Drizzle provides support in so many ways to so many Pokemon (all at the same time), whilst those who not gain any support are put at at disadvantage when battling those that do. Additionally, there is no reliable way to get rid of all of Drizzles effects without inducing your own weather.
You say it's the combination of Drizzle + Swift Swim that makes it broken. I say it's the combination of Drizzle as a whole that makes it broken. However in this case, we can't pinpoint separate parts of Drizzle and nerf it. Drizzle is, what Drizzle is.
The fact that you cannot understand my points doesn't mean that i didn't make them.Of 'course i am expressing my opinion by giving many arguements which you fail to understand...
I think what people meant in general, is that you sometimes you argue just for the sake of arguing, you tell a story before getting to your main point in the argument. I agree that you have a right to express your opinion and counter peoples arguments, but when you hear the same points being repeated and repeated again and again it's just pointless. Say it once to one person and the rest of us will know what you mean. Furthermore, if someone has already answered before you, you don't have to answer it yourself unless you are adding additional information. And another thing, it's easier on the eyes when you don't multi quote people. Lastly, I'm not trying to be rude to you AlexWolf, sometimes you do make good points, but let us see those main point's instead of bombarding it through a wall of text.
Yes I know I am being somewhat hypocritical in reference to this post...lol
EDIT: Sorry Tobes but I spent ages writing this, so I'm posting.
