I always did love registeel. One of the few pokes that were able to stand up to that monstrociy Kyugem (although nonspecial defense versions did not like taking focus blasts). Good to hear it is still doing well, I have just been running UU balls to the wall offense since Staraptor stayed. =).
I could see any rotom carrying Will-o-wisp to be a check, but the consensus that rotom is a counter is outright laughable.
Hmmm ... this set doesn't do too hot against Roserade, who resists the whole moveset and is rising in popularity. I doubt that it will become the most popular set.
I think that pokemon like Roserade, Shaymin, and Nidoqueen/king, will still be more prevalent than Quagsire and Gastrodon, which warrants the use of HP Ice instead of grass. IIRC, Rhyperior is OHKOed by +1 Aura Sphere unless it invests heavily in SpDef, but even then Raikou can just Aura Sphere on the switch instead of using CM, taking off about 50~ and leaving Rhyperior useless the next time it comes in, or possibly 2HKOing.
At the same time Roserade does NOT counter Raikou on the basis it won't be doing much back to it if its CM'ing up in its face. Also HP Grass is almost superior to Ice simply because things like Gastrodon and Quags if given time can setup a sweep.
lol its defintely not the 100% blizzards ppl are abusing, ok yeah its a big bonus, but its more of the snow cloakers/ice body walrein ppl abuse on hail, not many common teams carry ice type pokes so hail is doing damage to them...I guess there are just soo many threats this round that people have been discussing that hail was brought up at the last minute and then just now we had a discussion about whats the real suspect, Hail or the abusers?
I agree. Swords dance cobalion makes a fantastic FU too hail teams, it taunts frosslass and can dispatch her via an iron head (which I run over stone edge, or stone edge itself) what can frosslass do to you? blizzard which tbh isnt doing alot. Rotom H with specs, also does a decent job against hail teams. Slowbro wont be switching in nor will arcanine or hitmontop without taking either a STAB specs'd/LO Overheat or Thunderbolt/Volt switch, no hail user can do that much to rotomH anyway, apart from mamo, which is sorta taken care of by Cobalion (as It lives through an EQ, that ISNT banded, even if it is, i'm pretty sure CC OHKOE's)
lol here we go with that again..read a few pages back to see why both abomasnow and snover should be both banned if it came down to hail being broken..and the reason to keep sandstorm balanced sounds alot like keeping chansey around just so it can check raikou, not the best idea
No, Abomasnow and Snover shouldn't both be banned. At least not at first. If people decide it's the inducers that should be targetted, Abomasnow should go first, and then we see what the metagame is like with Snover as the inducer, and then decide if Snover should be banned aswell. They're two different Pokemon, so it's wrong to lump them together like that.
Abomasnow, Nidoqueen, Victini, Froslass, Mamoswine, and Hitmontop are all Hail staples that are UU, not RU. Honestly most hail teams have four or five of these pokemon in them. They all serve important roles for hail that are actually tough to fill in RU. Just because you can use Snover and Walrein in RU doesn't mean it's a controlled experiment where we can see what hail is like without Froslass. RU hail is a very different monster, so I don't see the use in trying to make meaningful comparisons about balance between the two.
Yes they should. Hail is what's broken, not Abomasnow itself.
It has 50 base Sp. Atk. Are you sure about that?
Neither are broke, what's broken is Froslass and Mamoswine.
In the sun, Vulpix could 2HKO Nidoking and plenty other threats with Overheat, so yes, we are sure about that.
Hopefully, July stats will return Mamo to OU, and Froslass would be a much better suspect than all of hail. Not saying its broken, just saying its a better suspect.
The abusers are broken, hail is perfectly managable in UU. I've had plenty of experiences being near or completely swept by Victini, and Mach punch just murders.
Snover and Abomasnow are the same pokes as they keep hail on the field, thats their job and thats all they do for hail teams..im not doubting their abilities, but people have to find some way for them to fufill some role on their team..Hail is a support ability that can changes the entire atmosphere(literally) of the game, to support so many pokes just by switching in..
I might change my thoughts on hail seeing that Mamoswine will be gone..frosslass might be the only one who deems too much thanks to snow cloak and spikes..im gonna test a hail team minus frosslass to see how it fair without her (once the server gets back on again)
Good Sweepers that work in hail are Weavile, Jynx, and Rotom F. You aren't limited to Froslass and Mamoswine for offense. (yes froslass can be semi offense)
If Snover iss better, then you should ban Snover first, and see what the metagame is like without Abomasnow. And we should do it according to Smogon's test process, where a large number of players play this metagame for a few weeks.
