Precisely. It does bring up the difference, though, that "would work well as a lead", which he said and was jumped on for, and "always lead with" are not synonymous. That's what I was bringing up. It works well starting off the battle, but can be switched easily to something else to take advantage of a differing opponent strategy.
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Kyurem (Analysis)
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Fine...convince me with damage calculations that Outrage is worthwhile.
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is supposed to be
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I'm curious about Kyurem, so I'll do an unofficial GP while i'm at it
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the comments are mainly to clarify, and confirm for myself
commas, some repetition, but good overall
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unofficial
[Overview]
<p>With offensive stats nearly rivaling that those of Rayquaza, Kyurem completes the the Tao Trio of Generation V. A unique Dragon / Ice typing differentiates Kyurem from other Dragon types, and with Base 130 Attack and Special Attack, Dragon / Ice typing makes it a great offensive threat. Base 95 Speed is a bit underwhelming in today's metagame, but is still enough for Kyurem to outspeed certain threats. As an added bonus, Kyurem boasts respectable bulk, with Base 125 HP and twin 90 Base Defense and Special Defense.</p>
<p>However, there are reasons Kyurem failed to achieve Uber status, in spite of brilliant offenses and typing. To start, while Dragon / Ice is great offensively, it is a terrible defensive typing, offsetting its decent bulk. Dragon-, Fighting-, Steel-, and Rock-type weaknesses make life horrible for Kyurem, in addition to Stealth Rock robbing 25% of its HP every time it switches in. It is very suspect to common priority moves such as Mach Punch, Bullet Punch, and Vacuum Wave, making it easy prey to for revenge killing. Finally, Kyurem has no way, outside of Hone Claws, to boost its offensive stats or any form to boost its Speed. In spite of these shortcomings, though, Kyurem can serve as an effective attacker with the proper support.</p>
[SET]
name: Choice
move 1: Draco Meteor
move 2: Ice Beam
move 3: Focus Blast
move 4: Hidden Power Fire / Dragon Pulse
item: Choice Scarf / Choice Specs
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
[SET COMMENTS]
<p>Tying in Base Special Attack with the likes of Gengar, Espeon, Latios, Magnezon, Glaceon, and Heatran, Kyurem makes a great user of either Choice Scarf or Choice Specs. With Choice Scarf, Kyurem serves as a great revenge killer, sitting at 475 Speed with STAB Dragon- and Ice-type attacks at its disposal; meanwhile, Choice Specs powers up that great Special Attack to an impressive 538 SpA, ensuring very few will survive. The choice between revenge killing or powerful Special Attacker is up to the trainer, but the moveset for both remains the same. Draco Meteor tears through most anything that doesn't resist nor is named Eviolite Chansey or Blissey. Ice Beam is secondary STAB, providing an alternative to Draco Meteor to combat fellow Dragon-types; with Salamence and Garchomp being part Flying- and Ground-type, respectively, it is an easier KO against both without resorting to the Special Attack decreasing Draco Meteor.<p>
<p>Focus Blast takes precedence in the third slot. As it stands, Heatran resists both Draco Meteor and Ice Beam and can wear down Kyurem with STAB Fire Blast. Focus Blast takes care of that problem, securing a OHKO with entry hazards on most versions of Heatran; if Kyurem uses using Choice Specs, Heatran will always fall. Before, the sentence means Heatran is using the Choice Specs The final slot is reserved for Hidden Power Fire or Dragon Pulse. Though Focus Blast hits Ferrothorn for Super Effective damage, Kyurem would have an easier time against it, Forretress, comma and Scizor with a 4x Super Effective Hidden Power Fire. Kyurem has much to fear from those three if it doesn't KO them in time, especially Scizor, whom can usually survive a Focus Blast and proceed to KO Kyurem with Bullet Punch.</p>
[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
<p>Using Hidden Power Fire means lowering lowers means and meaning are repetitive Kyurem's max Speed to 316, meaning other Base 95 Speed Pokemon, such as Jolly Electivire and Jolly Darmanitan, can get the jump on Choice Specs Kyurem, or if Darmanitan wears a Scarf of its own against a Scarfed Kyurem. For that reason, Hidden Power Fire can be forgone for Dragon Pulse. This way, you don't sacrifice Kyruem's Speed and you have the ability to hit with a more consistent Dragon-type attack than Draco Meteor. This route is recommended only if you have of other ways to deal with Scizor and Bronzong though, since Focus Blast's shaky accuracy could mean the end of Kyurem.</p> above, you use "the trainer" instead of 2nd person. Not sure this matters much though
<p>Since Kyurem will constantly be switching in and out through the match, Rapid Spin support is a must to keep Stealth Rock off the field. Starmie works as an excellent partner, taking Fighting- and Steel-type attacks decently, being able to Recovering the damage, and battering the physically inclined with Surf. parallelism Wish support is greatly appreciated, and Jirachi makes a good partner in this case, taking Rock- and Steel-type moves while healing Kyurem in the process. Magnezone and Heatran, though sharing the Fighting-type weakness, can come in on a Steel- or Fire-type, respectively, and in Magnezone's case, trap it, or in Heatran's case, scare foes it consistency away with STAB Fire-type attacks. Fighting-type partners will be greatly appreciated to take care of this set's greatest bane, Eviolite Chansey and Blissey.</p>
[SET]
name: All-Out Attacker
move 1: Draco Meteor
move 2: Ice Beam
move 3: Focus Blast
move 4: Hidden Power Fire / Dragon Pulse
item: Life Orb
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
[SET COMMENTS]
<p>While the previous set had has the choice of hitting hard or striking fast, this one has the freedom to do both. Life Orb makes Kyurem a fantastic offensive threat, sporting 466 SpA to batter opponents. This comes at the cost of Kyurem's health, but the freedom to choose another attack should your opponent switch to a potential check or counter. Draco Meteor is slightly counterproductive to Life Orb due to the sharp Special Attack drop after use, but the power of it makes it too hard to pass up. Ice Beam beats the the majority of Dragon-types easily, namely, Salamence and Garchomp, without resorting to Draco Meteor. Focus Blast makes a return to hit Steel-types hard, plus, comma the possibility of a Special Defense drop helps against certain foes who switch in, such as Scizor. In the last slot, the option of hitting Ferrothorn, Forretress, and Scizor in the form of Hidden Power Fire takes precedence while Dragon Pulse is the more consistent option over Draco Meteor should you wish to retain that great Special Attack without switching out.
[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
<p>With Draco Meteor cutting Kyurem's Special Attack in half, it will be hard pressed to stay in after using it. At the cost of some power, Dragon Pulse can be used over Draco Meteor, freeing up the last slot for Hidden Power Fire. However, as mentioned earlier, with such a sky high Special Attack, it may be hard pressed to give up something so powerful as Draco Meteor. Though this set is harder to wall because of the great coverage and the freedom to attack, Blissey and Eviolite Chansey still serve as effective counters. Specially Defensive Forretress can shrug off Focus Blast too and can KO a weakened Kyurem with Gyro Ball.</p>
<p>In addition to the problem regarding the last moveslot, the vulnerability to all forms of entry hazards, especially Stealth Rock, and the lack of recovery, means subject is plural: vulnerability and lack of recovery this Kyurem is easily worn down, especially with Life Orb in factor. For that reason, Starmie makes a great partner, using Rapid Spin to blow away entry hazards and being an effective check against most Fighting-types. Wish support is also greatly appreciated, and Jirachi makes a good partner again, since it can carry Super Effective moves like Fire Punch or Psychic to take care of Scizor and Conkledurr, respectively. Finally, Magnezone can trap bulkier Steel types and KO them with Hidden Power Fire should Kyurem forgo Hidden Power Fire itself.</p>
[SET]
name: Glaciate
move 1: Glaciate
move 2: Draco Meteor
move 3: Ice Beam
move 4: Focus Blast / Hidden Power Fire
item: Haban Berry / Lum Berry
nature: Modest
evs: 56 HP / 236 SpA / 216 Spe
[SET COMMENTS]
<p>Kyurem's signature move, Glaciate, is essentially a slightly powerful Icy Wind. This set has a bit of a surprise factor, since Glaciate rarely makes it on any of Kyruem's sets due to its low base power, plus it and can work well as a lead or mid-, or late-game attacker. The idea is to come in on something that doesn't threaten Kyurem and fire off Glaciate on the switch in. From there, depending on what comes in, comma Kyurem can beat it with STAB Draco Meteor, STAB Ice Beam, or Focus Blast. The EVs are tailored to beat non-scarfed Base 140 Speed Pokemon after the Speed drop, with Kyurem sitting at 280 Spe, plus in addition to being just fast enough to beat neutral natured Lucario. The 56 HP EVs help Kyurem keep with its natural bulk, also allowing it to switch in to Stealth Rock four times before fainting.</p>
<p>The rest of the moveset is relegated to beating what Glaciate has slowed down. Draco Meteor hitting off of 390 SpA is no laughing matter, easily KO'ing most Pokemon after the Glaciate. Ice Beam is the safer option on most Dragon-types, especially those with quadruple weakness to Ice-type attacks. Focus Blast once again deals with the Steel types bound to come in on Kyurem, namely, comma Ferrothorn.</p>
[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
<p>Hidden Power Fire can go over Focus Blast to hit Bronzong, Scizor, Ferrothorn, and Forretress harder. However, this leaves you at the mercy of Heatran, who will force you out after you use Glaciate. Then again, Kyurem has fulfilled its job of slowing down Scarfed Heatran, so any faster partner, such as Starmie, can come in and win outright. In addition, transfer 4 EVs from Special Attack to accommodate the 30 Speed IV Hidden Power Fire gives, if you still desire to outrun neutral natured Lucario. Again, comma Eviolite Chansey and Blissey take little damage from even Kyurem's massive Special Attack, so partners such as Conkledurr are greatly appreciated. Magnezone once again provides Steel trapping on Scizor and Ferrothorn if you forgo Hidden Power Fire (though Focus Blast almost assuredly KO's Ferrothorn after the Glaciate.</p>
<p>In regards to item choice, there are various options: Leftovers helps recover HP while Life Orb powers up Kyurem's massive Special Attack. In regards to survivability, commathough, any attack power decreasing Berry is the lead choice. In most situations, right after Kyurem knocks out a Pokemon, a revenge killer most assuredly comes in, in the form of Dragon-, Steel-, or Fighting-type. By using a Haban, Babiri, or Chople Berry, respectively, Kyurem can take the hit and destroy another Pokemon in the process. Lum Berry is a choice if you decide to use Kyurem as a lead.</p>
[Other Options]
<p>Blizzard should only go over Ice Beam if you have Hail support. Hone Claws is the only way to boost Kyurem's attack power. However, there are very few physical moves which Kyurem can take advantage of, notably Outrage, Dragon Claw, and Stone Edge. It can help in a mixed set, making Blizzard a viable choice and ensuring Draco Meteor hits 100% of the time. Dragon Tail and Toxic can combine for some annoyance, but such a combo is better pulled off by more defensively oriented Pokemon. Endeavour can be used in tandem with Hail support to nab a KO. Kyurem would make a good Dual Screener if it were not for its terrible defensive typing. Substitute is an option due to being able to create greater than 101 HP Substitutes, but Kyurem would prefer to outright attack. The only other Special Attack viable for Kyurem's is Psychic, which batters incoming Fighting-types like Conkledurr without having to resort to Draco Meteor. However, its usage is very limited when Draco Meteor can hit pretty much everything that Psychic would.</p>
[Checks and Counters]
<p>With Kyurem's sky high offenses, nothing is essentially a safe switch in. However, Eviolite Chansey and Blissey are possibly the best counters to Kyurem, since most sets are Special Attack oriented. Even mixed sets with Outrage can be outstalled by both, with Chansey marginally better at it, since a 252 HP / 252 Def Bold Eviolite Chansey takes 40.9% - 48.3% from a neutral natured, 40 Atk LO Outrage. From there, bulky Steel types, such as Jirachi, Bronzong, Forretress, Ferrothorn, and Specially Defensive Scizor can come in on Ice Beam or Draco Meteor. Most cannot take repeated hits from the likes of Focus Blast or Hidden Power Fire.</p>
<p>Kyurem, as mentioned earlier, is rather slow for a Dragon-type and carries no form of priority, so revenge killing is the best way to go. Do note however, that with its natural bulk, Kyurem can survive certain priority moves if at full health. For example, a Choice Banded Scizor using Bullet Punch deals 90.5% - 106.4% to a Timid 0 HP Kyurem: if it deals minimum damage, Scizor will lose. To ensure it goes down, Stealth Rock is a must to guarantee the OHKO on Kyurem.</p>
<p>With offensive stats nearly rivaling that those of Rayquaza, Kyurem completes the the Tao Trio of Generation V. A unique Dragon / Ice typing differentiates Kyurem from other Dragon types, and with Base 130 Attack and Special Attack, Dragon / Ice typing makes it a great offensive threat. Base 95 Speed is a bit underwhelming in today's metagame, but is still enough for Kyurem to outspeed certain threats. As an added bonus, Kyurem boasts respectable bulk, with Base 125 HP and twin 90 Base Defense and Special Defense.</p>
<p>However, there are reasons Kyurem failed to achieve Uber status, in spite of brilliant offenses and typing. To start, while Dragon / Ice is great offensively, it is a terrible defensive typing, offsetting its decent bulk. Dragon-, Fighting-, Steel-, and Rock-type weaknesses make life horrible for Kyurem, in addition to Stealth Rock robbing 25% of its HP every time it switches in. It is very suspect to common priority moves such as Mach Punch, Bullet Punch, and Vacuum Wave, making it easy prey to for revenge killing. Finally, Kyurem has no way, outside of Hone Claws, to boost its offensive stats or any form to boost its Speed. In spite of these shortcomings, though, Kyurem can serve as an effective attacker with the proper support.</p>
[SET]
name: Choice
move 1: Draco Meteor
move 2: Ice Beam
move 3: Focus Blast
move 4: Hidden Power Fire / Dragon Pulse
item: Choice Scarf / Choice Specs
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
[SET COMMENTS]
<p>Tying in Base Special Attack with the likes of Gengar, Espeon, Latios, Magnezon, Glaceon, and Heatran, Kyurem makes a great user of either Choice Scarf or Choice Specs. With Choice Scarf, Kyurem serves as a great revenge killer, sitting at 475 Speed with STAB Dragon- and Ice-type attacks at its disposal; meanwhile, Choice Specs powers up that great Special Attack to an impressive 538 SpA, ensuring very few will survive. The choice between revenge killing or powerful Special Attacker is up to the trainer, but the moveset for both remains the same. Draco Meteor tears through most anything that doesn't resist nor is named Eviolite Chansey or Blissey. Ice Beam is secondary STAB, providing an alternative to Draco Meteor to combat fellow Dragon-types; with Salamence and Garchomp being part Flying- and Ground-type, respectively, it is an easier KO against both without resorting to the Special Attack decreasing Draco Meteor.<p>
<p>Focus Blast takes precedence in the third slot. As it stands, Heatran resists both Draco Meteor and Ice Beam and can wear down Kyurem with STAB Fire Blast. Focus Blast takes care of that problem, securing a OHKO with entry hazards on most versions of Heatran; if Kyurem uses using Choice Specs, Heatran will always fall. Before, the sentence means Heatran is using the Choice Specs The final slot is reserved for Hidden Power Fire or Dragon Pulse. Though Focus Blast hits Ferrothorn for Super Effective damage, Kyurem would have an easier time against it, Forretress, comma and Scizor with a 4x Super Effective Hidden Power Fire. Kyurem has much to fear from those three if it doesn't KO them in time, especially Scizor, whom can usually survive a Focus Blast and proceed to KO Kyurem with Bullet Punch.</p>
[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
<p>Using Hidden Power Fire means lowering lowers means and meaning are repetitive Kyurem's max Speed to 316, meaning other Base 95 Speed Pokemon, such as Jolly Electivire and Jolly Darmanitan, can get the jump on Choice Specs Kyurem, or if Darmanitan wears a Scarf of its own against a Scarfed Kyurem. For that reason, Hidden Power Fire can be forgone for Dragon Pulse. This way, you don't sacrifice Kyruem's Speed and you have the ability to hit with a more consistent Dragon-type attack than Draco Meteor. This route is recommended only if you have of other ways to deal with Scizor and Bronzong though, since Focus Blast's shaky accuracy could mean the end of Kyurem.</p> above, you use "the trainer" instead of 2nd person. Not sure this matters much though
<p>Since Kyurem will constantly be switching in and out through the match, Rapid Spin support is a must to keep Stealth Rock off the field. Starmie works as an excellent partner, taking Fighting- and Steel-type attacks decently, being able to Recovering the damage, and battering the physically inclined with Surf. parallelism Wish support is greatly appreciated, and Jirachi makes a good partner in this case, taking Rock- and Steel-type moves while healing Kyurem in the process. Magnezone and Heatran, though sharing the Fighting-type weakness, can come in on a Steel- or Fire-type, respectively, and in Magnezone's case, trap it, or in Heatran's case, scare foes it consistency away with STAB Fire-type attacks. Fighting-type partners will be greatly appreciated to take care of this set's greatest bane, Eviolite Chansey and Blissey.</p>
[SET]
name: All-Out Attacker
move 1: Draco Meteor
move 2: Ice Beam
move 3: Focus Blast
move 4: Hidden Power Fire / Dragon Pulse
item: Life Orb
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
[SET COMMENTS]
<p>While the previous set had has the choice of hitting hard or striking fast, this one has the freedom to do both. Life Orb makes Kyurem a fantastic offensive threat, sporting 466 SpA to batter opponents. This comes at the cost of Kyurem's health, but the freedom to choose another attack should your opponent switch to a potential check or counter. Draco Meteor is slightly counterproductive to Life Orb due to the sharp Special Attack drop after use, but the power of it makes it too hard to pass up. Ice Beam beats the the majority of Dragon-types easily, namely, Salamence and Garchomp, without resorting to Draco Meteor. Focus Blast makes a return to hit Steel-types hard, plus, comma the possibility of a Special Defense drop helps against certain foes who switch in, such as Scizor. In the last slot, the option of hitting Ferrothorn, Forretress, and Scizor in the form of Hidden Power Fire takes precedence while Dragon Pulse is the more consistent option over Draco Meteor should you wish to retain that great Special Attack without switching out.
[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
<p>With Draco Meteor cutting Kyurem's Special Attack in half, it will be hard pressed to stay in after using it. At the cost of some power, Dragon Pulse can be used over Draco Meteor, freeing up the last slot for Hidden Power Fire. However, as mentioned earlier, with such a sky high Special Attack, it may be hard pressed to give up something so powerful as Draco Meteor. Though this set is harder to wall because of the great coverage and the freedom to attack, Blissey and Eviolite Chansey still serve as effective counters. Specially Defensive Forretress can shrug off Focus Blast too and can KO a weakened Kyurem with Gyro Ball.</p>
<p>In addition to the problem regarding the last moveslot, the vulnerability to all forms of entry hazards, especially Stealth Rock, and the lack of recovery, means subject is plural: vulnerability and lack of recovery this Kyurem is easily worn down, especially with Life Orb in factor. For that reason, Starmie makes a great partner, using Rapid Spin to blow away entry hazards and being an effective check against most Fighting-types. Wish support is also greatly appreciated, and Jirachi makes a good partner again, since it can carry Super Effective moves like Fire Punch or Psychic to take care of Scizor and Conkledurr, respectively. Finally, Magnezone can trap bulkier Steel types and KO them with Hidden Power Fire should Kyurem forgo Hidden Power Fire itself.</p>
[SET]
name: Glaciate
move 1: Glaciate
move 2: Draco Meteor
move 3: Ice Beam
move 4: Focus Blast / Hidden Power Fire
item: Haban Berry / Lum Berry
nature: Modest
evs: 56 HP / 236 SpA / 216 Spe
[SET COMMENTS]
<p>Kyurem's signature move, Glaciate, is essentially a slightly powerful Icy Wind. This set has a bit of a surprise factor, since Glaciate rarely makes it on any of Kyruem's sets due to its low base power, plus it and can work well as a lead or mid-, or late-game attacker. The idea is to come in on something that doesn't threaten Kyurem and fire off Glaciate on the switch in. From there, depending on what comes in, comma Kyurem can beat it with STAB Draco Meteor, STAB Ice Beam, or Focus Blast. The EVs are tailored to beat non-scarfed Base 140 Speed Pokemon after the Speed drop, with Kyurem sitting at 280 Spe, plus in addition to being just fast enough to beat neutral natured Lucario. The 56 HP EVs help Kyurem keep with its natural bulk, also allowing it to switch in to Stealth Rock four times before fainting.</p>
<p>The rest of the moveset is relegated to beating what Glaciate has slowed down. Draco Meteor hitting off of 390 SpA is no laughing matter, easily KO'ing most Pokemon after the Glaciate. Ice Beam is the safer option on most Dragon-types, especially those with quadruple weakness to Ice-type attacks. Focus Blast once again deals with the Steel types bound to come in on Kyurem, namely, comma Ferrothorn.</p>
[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
<p>Hidden Power Fire can go over Focus Blast to hit Bronzong, Scizor, Ferrothorn, and Forretress harder. However, this leaves you at the mercy of Heatran, who will force you out after you use Glaciate. Then again, Kyurem has fulfilled its job of slowing down Scarfed Heatran, so any faster partner, such as Starmie, can come in and win outright. In addition, transfer 4 EVs from Special Attack to accommodate the 30 Speed IV Hidden Power Fire gives, if you still desire to outrun neutral natured Lucario. Again, comma Eviolite Chansey and Blissey take little damage from even Kyurem's massive Special Attack, so partners such as Conkledurr are greatly appreciated. Magnezone once again provides Steel trapping on Scizor and Ferrothorn if you forgo Hidden Power Fire (though Focus Blast almost assuredly KO's Ferrothorn after the Glaciate.</p>
<p>In regards to item choice, there are various options: Leftovers helps recover HP while Life Orb powers up Kyurem's massive Special Attack. In regards to survivability, commathough, any attack power decreasing Berry is the lead choice. In most situations, right after Kyurem knocks out a Pokemon, a revenge killer most assuredly comes in, in the form of Dragon-, Steel-, or Fighting-type. By using a Haban, Babiri, or Chople Berry, respectively, Kyurem can take the hit and destroy another Pokemon in the process. Lum Berry is a choice if you decide to use Kyurem as a lead.</p>
[Other Options]
<p>Blizzard should only go over Ice Beam if you have Hail support. Hone Claws is the only way to boost Kyurem's attack power. However, there are very few physical moves which Kyurem can take advantage of, notably Outrage, Dragon Claw, and Stone Edge. It can help in a mixed set, making Blizzard a viable choice and ensuring Draco Meteor hits 100% of the time. Dragon Tail and Toxic can combine for some annoyance, but such a combo is better pulled off by more defensively oriented Pokemon. Endeavour can be used in tandem with Hail support to nab a KO. Kyurem would make a good Dual Screener if it were not for its terrible defensive typing. Substitute is an option due to being able to create greater than 101 HP Substitutes, but Kyurem would prefer to outright attack. The only other Special Attack viable for Kyurem's is Psychic, which batters incoming Fighting-types like Conkledurr without having to resort to Draco Meteor. However, its usage is very limited when Draco Meteor can hit pretty much everything that Psychic would.</p>
[Checks and Counters]
<p>With Kyurem's sky high offenses, nothing is essentially a safe switch in. However, Eviolite Chansey and Blissey are possibly the best counters to Kyurem, since most sets are Special Attack oriented. Even mixed sets with Outrage can be outstalled by both, with Chansey marginally better at it, since a 252 HP / 252 Def Bold Eviolite Chansey takes 40.9% - 48.3% from a neutral natured, 40 Atk LO Outrage. From there, bulky Steel types, such as Jirachi, Bronzong, Forretress, Ferrothorn, and Specially Defensive Scizor can come in on Ice Beam or Draco Meteor. Most cannot take repeated hits from the likes of Focus Blast or Hidden Power Fire.</p>
<p>Kyurem, as mentioned earlier, is rather slow for a Dragon-type and carries no form of priority, so revenge killing is the best way to go. Do note however, that with its natural bulk, Kyurem can survive certain priority moves if at full health. For example, a Choice Banded Scizor using Bullet Punch deals 90.5% - 106.4% to a Timid 0 HP Kyurem: if it deals minimum damage, Scizor will lose. To ensure it goes down, Stealth Rock is a must to guarantee the OHKO on Kyurem.</p>
the comments are mainly to clarify, and confirm for myself
commas, some repetition, but good overall
Make sure to mention that HP Fire means you'll need to take 4 evs out of Special Attack and drop them in speed!
Glaciate set is the only one that needs it, which I mentioned in AC.
I think it's the first stamp, but thanks regardless.
Fini, then!
(Two down, two more to go...)
(Two down, two more to go...)
Kyurem is better off using Draco Meteor or having a Water-type teammate take care of the Fire-types.
The scarf set is one of the most effective. It doesn't hurt him too much because he will be blizzard spamming most of the time, if the hail is falling
I use a Kyurem that's kinda tailored to my team, but I feel with a few tweaks it can work on other teams.
Kyurem @ Life Orb
Pressure
-Outrage
-Ice Beam
-Dragon Pulse
-Hidden Power (Fire)
144 Atk / 252 SpA / 112 Spe
This is my Kyurem. He normally works with my Shell Smash Baton Pass Smeargle, so I didn't EV him to outspeed any threats. This is overall a great wallbreaker. The Attack EVs are so that he can 2HKO Chansey with Outrage, provided Stealth Rock is on the field, 100% of the time, which is no mean feat. The other attacks are for STAB and coverage. I would prefer Dragon Pulse over Draco Meteor (and this is because I wanted him to sweep on my BP team) because it's kinda hard to sweep when using a strong STAB move halves your SpA. On a wallbreaker, however, who knows what you'd prefer. I like this guy and think he could be an excellent wallbreaker and am surprised that there's no mixed set up there.
Kyurem @ Life Orb
Pressure
-Outrage
-Ice Beam
-Dragon Pulse
-Hidden Power (Fire)
144 Atk / 252 SpA / 112 Spe
This is my Kyurem. He normally works with my Shell Smash Baton Pass Smeargle, so I didn't EV him to outspeed any threats. This is overall a great wallbreaker. The Attack EVs are so that he can 2HKO Chansey with Outrage, provided Stealth Rock is on the field, 100% of the time, which is no mean feat. The other attacks are for STAB and coverage. I would prefer Dragon Pulse over Draco Meteor (and this is because I wanted him to sweep on my BP team) because it's kinda hard to sweep when using a strong STAB move halves your SpA. On a wallbreaker, however, who knows what you'd prefer. I like this guy and think he could be an excellent wallbreaker and am surprised that there's no mixed set up there.
My kyurem set:
[SET]
name: SubGlaciate
move 1: Substitute
move 2: Glaciate
move 3: Draco Meteor
move 4: Hidden Power Fire / Focus Blast
item: Leftovers
nature: Modest
evs: 176 Def / 252 SpA / 80 Spe
It's a sub + three attacks set, yes. The speed EVs give kyurem 245 speed, which allows it to outspeed any glaciated opponent below 366 speed (that is, almost every unscarved poke in OU.) I'm not sure about the defense EVs. I assume that they maximize it's physical bulk so it can take mach/bullet punches, dual chops and earthquakes ect.
This set is great for double dragon strategies, getting rid of stuff like ferrothorn, scizor and other stuff that would impede a dragon sweep. Kyurem can do amazing things behind a sub, and glaciate makes it quite potent.
Try the set before you dismiss it please. Ideally, I'd like it to replace the glaciate set currently shown.
[SET]
name: SubGlaciate
move 1: Substitute
move 2: Glaciate
move 3: Draco Meteor
move 4: Hidden Power Fire / Focus Blast
item: Leftovers
nature: Modest
evs: 176 Def / 252 SpA / 80 Spe
It's a sub + three attacks set, yes. The speed EVs give kyurem 245 speed, which allows it to outspeed any glaciated opponent below 366 speed (that is, almost every unscarved poke in OU.) I'm not sure about the defense EVs. I assume that they maximize it's physical bulk so it can take mach/bullet punches, dual chops and earthquakes ect.
This set is great for double dragon strategies, getting rid of stuff like ferrothorn, scizor and other stuff that would impede a dragon sweep. Kyurem can do amazing things behind a sub, and glaciate makes it quite potent.
Try the set before you dismiss it please. Ideally, I'd like it to replace the glaciate set currently shown.
I saw two errors:
Well when i found this thing was non uber i used a mixed boosting set of
naive (+speed -sp def)
126 sp atk 126 attack 252 speed
:hone claws
:blizzard
:outrage
:hidden power fire/focus blast
hone claws boosts accuracy so kyurem can fire of a powerful STAB blizzard
outrage can really own blissey after one or two boost
the last move is mainly for hp fire to hit skarmory harder or magnezone and ferrothorn for massive damage the last for x4 and then focus blast for sp defensive t tar and getting super effective damage on ferrothorn
naive (+speed -sp def)
126 sp atk 126 attack 252 speed
:hone claws
:blizzard
:outrage
:hidden power fire/focus blast
hone claws boosts accuracy so kyurem can fire of a powerful STAB blizzard
outrage can really own blissey after one or two boost
the last move is mainly for hp fire to hit skarmory harder or magnezone and ferrothorn for massive damage the last for x4 and then focus blast for sp defensive t tar and getting super effective damage on ferrothorn
I don't really know why the Glaciate set is here, as it's really not that great of a set, even when leading. In fact, most of Kyurem's counters like Jirachi and Bronzong (bulky steels) and Blissey / Chansey (other special walls) don't care one bit about the speed drop, and the attack will do nothing to these Pokemon, basically giving them a free switch-in. What do you need Glaciate's speed drop for, anyway? You're better off attacking with your high power STAB moves or blasting steels with Focus Blast or HP Fire on the switch, not to mention Glaciate is really weak as well..
Bloo also outlined here a while back, before the analysis was even written for this set to be removed and for Glaciate to be given a mention in OO.
Bloo also outlined here a while back, before the analysis was even written for this set to be removed and for Glaciate to be given a mention in OO.
I guess I'll need other QC input on this first before this goes anywhere, so the set can remain for now.
I had removed the original Glaciate set when I took over the analysis but testing proved it was viable (obviously not the first choice). Of course Kyurem won't be staying on those opponents you mentioned; the set's purpose is to slow down many of your opponent's fast Pokemon on the switch and if it happens to be any of those you mentioned, switch out to the proper teammate. The set is meant as both to both support teammates and open up possibilities of its own sweeps.
QC did not have any problem after I put it up, but if you get more support on it, then I will remove it. And come to think of it, I wouldn't mind potentially going through QC again if someone can find a viable mixed set for Kyurem (that hasn't been listed before).
QC did not have any problem after I put it up, but if you get more support on it, then I will remove it. And come to think of it, I wouldn't mind potentially going through QC again if someone can find a viable mixed set for Kyurem (that hasn't been listed before).
I'd recommend making the specs and scarf set's seperate and putting an ev spread of 104atck 252spatck 152spe on the scarf set . this ev spread will allow you to outspeed base 130's and maybe run outrage. If outrage doesn't seem to be strong enough you can just invest the last 104 evs into hp to give kyurem a bit more bulk.
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I agree completely with yee. The current Life Orb set is flawed because Kyurem is effectively nerfed after it has used Draco Meteor, and with Stealth Rock on the field, he won't be switching back in too many times. It's also walled by Blissey.
The set should be completely replaced by this, since it's simply better in almost every circumstance. It's basically Mixmence on steroids:
name: Mixed Life Orb
move 1: Draco Meteor
move 2: Blizzard
move 3: Focus Blast
move 4: Outrage
item: Life Orb
nature: Naive / Hasty
evs: 40 Atk / 252 SpA / 216 Spe
216 Speed with a Hasty nature lets you beat Modest Hydreigon, Adamant Haxorus, and Excadrill in the hail.
AC:
1) Hidden Power Fire over either Blizzard or Draco Meteor
2) Ice Beam over Blizzard (face it, you probably shouldn't be using this set out of hail anyway).
The set should be completely replaced by this, since it's simply better in almost every circumstance. It's basically Mixmence on steroids:
name: Mixed Life Orb
move 1: Draco Meteor
move 2: Blizzard
move 3: Focus Blast
move 4: Outrage
item: Life Orb
nature: Naive / Hasty
evs: 40 Atk / 252 SpA / 216 Spe
216 Speed with a Hasty nature lets you beat Modest Hydreigon, Adamant Haxorus, and Excadrill in the hail.
AC:
1) Hidden Power Fire over either Blizzard or Draco Meteor
2) Ice Beam over Blizzard (face it, you probably shouldn't be using this set out of hail anyway).
One quick nitpick at Choice's first paragraph.
<p>With a Special Attack equaling those of Gengar, Espeon, Latios, Magnezone, Glaceon, and Heatran, Kyurem makes a great user of either Choice Scarf or Choice Specs. With Choice Scarf, Kyurem serves as a great revenge killer, sitting at 475 Speed with STAB Dragon- and Ice-type attacks at its disposal; meanwhile, Choice Specs powers up that great Special Attack to an impressive 538, ensuring very few will survive. The choice between a revenge killer and a powerful Special Attacker is up to the trainer, but the moveset for both remains the same. Draco Meteor tears through anything that isn't resistant or named Chansey or Blissey. Ice Beam is secondary STAB, providing an alternative to Draco Meteor to combat fellow Dragon-types, many of whom are 4x weak against Ice, without resorting to the Special Attack-decreasing Draco Meteor.</p>
edit: Life Orb is missing its tag at the first paragraph too.
<p>While the previous set had the choice of hitting hard or striking fast, this one has the freedom to do both. Life Orb makes Kyurem a fantastic offensive threat, sporting 466 SpA to batter opponents with. This comes at the cost of Kyurem's health, but the freedom to choose another attack should your opponent switch to a potential check or counter. Draco Meteor does not much suit switching attacks, but its power makes it too hard to pass up. Ice Beam beats the the majority of Dragon-types easily, namely Salamence, without resorting to Draco Meteor. Focus Blast makes a return to hit Steel-types, plus the possibility of a Special Defense drop helps against certain foes who switch in, such as Scizor. In the last slot, the option of hitting Ferrothorn, Forretress, and Scizor in the form of Hidden Power Fire takes precedence while Dragon Pulse is the more consistent option over Draco Meteor should you wish to retain that great Special Attack without switching out.</p>
<p>With a Special Attack equaling those of Gengar, Espeon, Latios, Magnezone, Glaceon, and Heatran, Kyurem makes a great user of either Choice Scarf or Choice Specs. With Choice Scarf, Kyurem serves as a great revenge killer, sitting at 475 Speed with STAB Dragon- and Ice-type attacks at its disposal; meanwhile, Choice Specs powers up that great Special Attack to an impressive 538, ensuring very few will survive. The choice between a revenge killer and a powerful Special Attacker is up to the trainer, but the moveset for both remains the same. Draco Meteor tears through anything that isn't resistant or named Chansey or Blissey. Ice Beam is secondary STAB, providing an alternative to Draco Meteor to combat fellow Dragon-types, many of whom are 4x weak against Ice, without resorting to the Special Attack-decreasing Draco Meteor.</p>
edit: Life Orb is missing its tag at the first paragraph too.
<p>While the previous set had the choice of hitting hard or striking fast, this one has the freedom to do both. Life Orb makes Kyurem a fantastic offensive threat, sporting 466 SpA to batter opponents with. This comes at the cost of Kyurem's health, but the freedom to choose another attack should your opponent switch to a potential check or counter. Draco Meteor does not much suit switching attacks, but its power makes it too hard to pass up. Ice Beam beats the the majority of Dragon-types easily, namely Salamence, without resorting to Draco Meteor. Focus Blast makes a return to hit Steel-types, plus the possibility of a Special Defense drop helps against certain foes who switch in, such as Scizor. In the last slot, the option of hitting Ferrothorn, Forretress, and Scizor in the form of Hidden Power Fire takes precedence while Dragon Pulse is the more consistent option over Draco Meteor should you wish to retain that great Special Attack without switching out.</p>
Fixed.
It looks like we're still having open debate over the mixed set. Therefore, I'll test it out again, but if anyone has any logs regarding the set, pm 'em to me so I can review for myself.
It looks like we're still having open debate over the mixed set. Therefore, I'll test it out again, but if anyone has any logs regarding the set, pm 'em to me so I can review for myself.