Mamoswine (Analysis)

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Mamooooooooo

[Overview]

<p>This generation has been extremely kind to Mamoswine, and it is now endowed with a reliable Ice-type STAB attack: Icicle Crash. Icicle Crash and Earthquake score 2HKOes on nearly everything in the Uber tier, with the assistance of Stealth Rock. Mamoswine also has access to priority in the form of Ice Shard, which can be extremely useful in Ubers with the plethora of Dragon-types that run rampant. Mamoswine also has an ever-useful immunity to Electric-type attacks, which provides it with many opportunities to switch in. However, Mamoswine is not without its flaws. Its below-average Speed is its biggest downfall, and makes it a bit reliant on prediction. Mamoswine's typing makes it vulnerable to all forms of entry hazards, which will wear it down quickly. It also is a bit frail by Ubers standards, and can't take many hits, if any, on the special side. Do not let these downfalls deter you from using Mamoswine; it can be a terror on the battlefield when used correctly.</p>

[SET]
name: Uber Physical Attacker
move 1: Icicle Crash
move 2: Earthquake
move 3: Ice Shard
move 4: Substitute / Stealth Rock
item: Life Orb
ability: Snow Cloak
nature: Adamant
evs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Mamoswine is quite powerful, and has the ability to 2HKO basically everything in the tier, save for its two hard counters. A reliable physical Ice STAB is what really gives Mamoswine its niche, however, as it allows it to 2HKO common physical walls such as Giratina, Groudon, and Lugia with Stealth Rock support. Its other STAB is not forgotten though. Ground is an amazing STAB that lets Mamoswine send Steel-types that aren't immune to it running. Even Ferrothorn is 2HKOed by it, despite its great defensive prowess.</p>

<p>Icicle Crash is really what gives Mamoswine its niche - not many Pokemon have a powerful physical Ice-type move. Earthquake is raw power, and can tear through most neutral targets that resist Icicle Crash. Ice Shard is a powerful, and extremely useful, priority move. In a tier where Dragon-type Pokemon run rampant, Ice Shard finds itself many uses. Ice Shard OHKOes Rayquaza, Garchomp, and Shaymin-S, and does a truckload to most Dragon-type Pokemon. The last slot is a bit of a filler, but it can be useful. Mamoswine will often cause an obvious switch, and you will need to predict what switches in to safely 2HKO it. Substitute can ease this kind of prediction and make Mamoswine's life easier, but it will make Mamoswine die even faster to hazards and Life Orb recoil. Stealth Rock can go in the final slot if your team is desperate for a Stealth Rock user, but there are far better users of the move.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>Here are some calculations to show just how powerful Mamoswine is, and show how much it appreciates Stealth Rock:</p>

<ul class="damage_calculation">
<li>Icicle Crash vs. 252/252+ Groudon 55.4% - 65.8%</li>
<li>Icicle Crash vs. 252/252+ Lugia 56.7% - 67.8%</li>
<li>Ice Shard vs. 252/252+ Lugia 27.4% - 32.2%</li>
<li>Icicle Crash vs. 248/248+ Giratina 50.5% - 59.6%</li>
<li>Icicle Crash vs. 0/0 Giratina-O 90.2% - 106.6%</li>
<li>Icicle Crash vs. 248/0 Ho-Oh 52% - 61.7%</li>
<li>Earthquake vs. 252/0 Dialga 98.5% - 116.3%</li>
<li>Earthquake vs. 252/0 +1 Dialga 65.8% - 77.7%</li>
<li>Earthquake vs. 4/0 Kyogre 74.6% - 88%</li>
<li>Ice Shard vs. 4/0 Kyogre 14.9% - 17.5%</li>
<li>Earthquake vs. 252/0 Steel Arceus 89.6% - 105.9%</li>
<li>Earthquake vs. 252/0 Ferrothorn 52.8% - 62.2%</li>
<li>Ice Shard vs. 4/0 Rayquaza 115.9% - 137.5%</li>
<li>Ice Shard vs. 4/0 Garchomp 110.6% - 130.7%</li>
<li>Ice Shard vs. 4/0 Shaymin-S 138% - 164.9%</li>
</ul>

<p>As you can see, Stealth Rock is necessary to secure a few important KOs. Mamoswine is not that reliable of a Stealth Rock user, so it is wise to carry one, such as Dialga or Groudon. It may seem odd to use Adamant and max Speed, but both are necessary. The max Speed allows it to outspeed base 90 Speed Pokemon that do not invest heavily. If they do invest heavily, they will likely use a Speed-boosting nature, in which case Jolly would not help anyways. Adamant's power is also necessary to score key 2HKOes against defensive Pokemon such as Ferrothorn. It may be tempting to use Expert Belt to lessen the passive damage Mamoswine takes, but it really needs that extra power, especially against Pokemon like the aforementioned Ferrothorn, where it has to rely on raw power to muscle through. Stone Edge may be a bit tempting to use, but notice the Icicle Crash calculation vs. Ho-Oh&emdash;it is most likely dying, making Stone Edge highly unnecessary. Paralysis support is also something to consider when using Mamoswine, as it is on the slow side, so luring in and paralyzing the Pokemon that can cause it trouble can really give it the edge to push through the opposing team. Kyogre, Jirachi, and Ferrothorn all excel in spreading paralysis.</p>

<p>Zekrom makes a great partner to Mamoswine, as it can decimate Pokemon like Skarmory, Kyogre, and Bronzong that would otherwise give Mamoswine a hard time. Mamoswine can also take down Groudon for Zekrom while it resists a good portion of Mamoswine's weaknesses, giving it something to switch in on. When using Mamoswine, it is good to have Pokemon that can switch into the likes of Kyogre. Palkia fits the bill, and can also, depending on the weather, incinerate and electrify Skarmory and Bronzong. Mamoswine can also use teammates that lure Electric-types attack for it to switch in on. Kyogre is one of such Pokemon, and it can also drown Skarmory and Bronzong with Surf or Water Spout. If you really hate the oft-repeated Steel-type duo that give Mamoswine trouble, you can use Magnezone to send them packing. Finally, a teammate with Rapid Spin can help Mamoswine, as it is vulnerable to all forms of hazards. Forretress and Tentacruel are examples of Pokemon that can work well in Ubers and provide Rapid Spin support, in addition to other useful support options.</p>

[Other Options]

<p>Mamoswine doesn't really have many useful options that aren't already detailed above. You could use an Endeavor Lead set with Stealth Rock, Ice Shard, and a Focus Sash, but that's iffy at best. A Choice Band set can capitalize on Mamoswine's raw power, but it will rely even more heavily on prediction. Icicle Spear does more damage if it hits four times, and, in addition, it can break Substitutes; however, it is otherwise an unreliable method of causing damage. A set with Curse could be used, but Mamoswine would be demolished by basically every special attacker. Body Slam can let Mamoswine spread its own paralysis, but its wasting its potential. Finally, Superpower would have its uses if not the for the fact that it is illegal with Icicle Crash.</p>

[Checks and Counters]

<p>Mamoswine is hard countered by Skarmory and Bronzong. It can't really run anything to break through them, so it will have to rely on teammates. Defensive Arceus that aren't weak to its STAB moves aren't 2HKOed with some investment, and can burn Mamoswine with Will-O-Wisp, taking away any chance it has of causing havoc. Manaphy can outspeed Mamoswine and OHKO it easily with Surf. It also isn't taken down by Earthquake + Ice Shard unless it invests next to nothing in its defenses and a significant amount of entry hazards are down. Entry hazards in general will wear down Mamoswine quite quickly in conjunction with Life Orb. Reshiram is another Pokemon that sends Mamoswine running, as it isn't weak to Ice Shard and can outspeed Mamoswine and OHKO it, however, it can't switch in directly for fear of Earthquake. A fast Kyogre is in a similar boat; it can easily OHKO Mamoswine with its STAB moves and resists Ice Shard, but it too will have trouble switching in directly. As long as it doesn't switch into Icicle Crash, Lugia can come in and set up Reflect on Mamoswine. It will still take a decent chunk of damage, but it can Roost away the wounds Mamoswine has inflicted upon it. If Giratina manages to switch in safely, it can burn Mamoswine, making it useless. Scizor can Bullet Punch Mamowine into oblivion, and Mamoswine can't touch a Heatran with an Air Balloon. In general, Mamoswine is easily checked by faster Pokemon who aren't weak to Ice Shard.</p>

[overview]
  • Can 2HKO almost everything in the tier with SR
  • 2 great STABs to work with (Ice is a beast physical STAB!)
  • Icicle Crash being an amazing upgrade blah blah - can 2HKO physical walls
  • strong priority
  • A bit on the slow and frail side for ubers standards
  • needs to predict or hazards + LO will wear it out quickly
  • Electric immunity
Set comments
  • tears through teams - Icicle Crash was godsend for Mamo
  • Ice STAB is super effective against all the common physical walls (Groudon, Lugia, Giratina), and therefore Mamoswine can 2HKO them all with Adamant and Life Orb [talk about other bulky pokemon like ferrothorn too, etc]
  • Earthquake mops up annoying Steel-types
  • Ice Shard is powerful priority that lets it revenge stuff like non-ExtremeSpeed Rayquaza, Shaymin-S, and Garchomp with impunity
  • Adamant is 100% necessary to score the 2HKO on Groudon
  • may seem odd to not run Jolly and max Speed, but max Speed and Adamant allow you to outspeed all base 90 Speed Pokemon that do not invest heavily in Speed -- which Jolly wouldn't help with anyways as its usually a little or none. Bulk isn't really helping mamo that much either
  • Mamoswine can force a ton of switches and relies a bit on prediction, so Substitute can be used to help
  • it forces a lot out so you can use a turn to set up SR if your team desperately needs a SRer
additional comments
  • calcs vs Groudon Ferrothorn Lugia Giratina etc
  • Expert Belt may seem a better option but then its destroyed by Ferrothorn and it loses the 2HKO on most Groudon
  • SR support to secure 2HKO on Lugia & Giratina
  • Stone Edge is nearly-useless because Ho-Oh is OHKOed by Icicle Crash after SR, even with 252 HP unless it holds leftovers, which brings it to ~50% OHKO chance
  • fits well on rain teams
  • relys a lot on prediction
  • need a pokemon to switch into Kyogre and Tina-O if you mispredict their switch in
  • Zekrom is a great partner as Zekrom can destroy Kyogre, Skarmory, and Bronzong for Mamoswine, while Mamo can take out other physical walls like Groudon that Zekrom hates
  • paralysis support
  • Zekrom resists a good number of mamo's weaknesses
  • Palkia can take down and switch into Kyogre, in addition to Skarm and Bronzong
  • Kyogre can take Fire attacks aimed at mamo while mamo can switch into Thunder
  • electric attack lures
  • mamoswine can trap bronzong and Skarmory
  • Mamoswine could use a Rapid Spinner teammate as it hates all hazards and switches around a lot
other options
  • not really that much...
  • Endeavor Lead set with SR and Sash
  • Choice Band
  • Thick Fat is released but its illegal with Ice Shard and Icicle Crash
  • Curse
  • Skarmory
  • Bronzong
  • Defensive Arceus that aren't weak to its STABs can WoW
  • Manaphy can outspeed and Surf it into oblivion, and it isn't OHKOed by anything Mamoswine has to offer. It can rest off any damage taken later with Hydration too, and it resists Ice Shard
  • Hazards in general will wear down Mamoswine fast as it will be switching around a lot. Toxic Spikes in particular can chip up to 22.5% per turn off Mamo
  • Reshiram doesn't take too much from Ice Shard and outspeeds and OHKOes Mamoswine, but it can't switch into Earthquake.
  • Lugia with reflect as long as it doesn't switch into icicle crash
  • Mamoswine gets a lot of 2HKOes, so prediction is key to beating it
  • Mamoswine is revenged by basically everything that can outspeed it and isn't weak to Ice, but Ice Shard still hurts regardless
  • If Giratina switches in safely it can WoW
  • Faster Kyogre can drown it and has resistance to Ice Shard
  • Scizor can destroy it with Bullet Punch
  • If Heatran can keep its balloon intact Mamoswine can't touch it
 

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Defensive Arceus that aren't weak to one of Mamo's STABs can counter it (such as Normal and Ghost) since they outspeed and can Will-O-Wisp. Toxic Spikes also limit Mamo's survivability.

Mention Manaphy as a counter - in Rain, it can instantly heal off EQ damage with Hydration Rest, and it outspeeds and kills you with Surf.

Good otherwise.

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Just being picky here, but I don't think that set should be named "Sweeper", since you know, fat chance that thing is going to be able to sweep...

"Physical attacker" or "Life Orb" might be better.

firecape edit: too lazy to make another post for this but changed. I agree.
 
Is Mamoswine really viable in Ubers ? I mean, sure the dual STAB is impressive but how do you switch on the field in the first place ? Choiced Electric attacks, Thunder-Wave/SR from support Dialga/Groudon and Dragon Dance from Rayquaza seem like your only options, and all of those are risky.

You say that Mamoswine creates a lot of switches, against what exactly ? Base 80 Speed is far from being ideal in Uber and Mamoswine can hardly take a hit.

So, the way I see it, you need good prediction to get in, you need to gamble to stay in (like hoping that Palkia / Zekrom / Kyogre is indeed choiced), and then, you still need to outpredict your opponent's next move (like not using Earthquake on Lugia or Icicle Crash on Kyogre). Seems like a lot of efforts for something that isn't so impressive in the end.
Just my opinion.

No mention of Superpower ? It's Mamo's strongest move against Ferrothorn, Normal Arceus and Bliss/Chansey and it surprises the rare Air Balloon Heatran/Excadrill. Is it illegal with Icicle Crash or something ?
 


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Kyogre should be mentioned as counter. Where's Reshiram as a check :P as long as it doesn't come in on Earthquake, Reshiram outspeeds and OHKOes you while laughing at Ice Shard.

Mention Superpower to hit Arceus hard? I like Mamoswine, cause it's not only strong but has some use. Abomasnow is a fine partner too. Owns Kyogre and brings hail so snow cloak is activated. If it's illegal with Icicle Crash don't mention it like what some user said.

Oh yeah Gyarados owns you easily but I guess that's irrelevant for Ubers. Where's Scizor? Bullet Punch OHKOes you with CB. I know Scizor is a rare fart but since we gave it an analysis you should mention it.

firecape is active again! :D I like firecape's analyses...also when's the last time you saw a Mamoswine in ubers? It's extinct, I might try to bring it back to popularity later together with Giratina who shares great typing synergy with Mamoswine. :P
 

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Superpower is illegal with icicle crash :(, which is basically what gives Mamo its niche.

added the counters

Is Mamoswine really viable in Ubers ? I mean, sure the dual STAB is impressive but how do you switch on the field in the first place ? Choiced Electric attacks, Thunder-Wave/SR from support Dialga/Groudon and Dragon Dance from Rayquaza seem like your only options, and all of those are risky.

You say that Mamoswine creates a lot of switches, against what exactly ? Base 80 Speed is far from being ideal in Uber and Mamoswine can hardly take a hit.

So, the way I see it, you need good prediction to get in, you need to gamble to stay in (like hoping that Palkia / Zekrom / Kyogre is indeed choiced), and then, you still need to outpredict your opponent's next move (like not using Earthquake on Lugia or Icicle Crash on Kyogre). Seems like a lot of efforts for something that isn't so impressive in the end.
Just my opinion.

No mention of Superpower ? It's Mamo's strongest move against Ferrothorn, Normal Arceus and Bliss/Chansey and it surprises the rare Air Balloon Heatran/Excadrill. Is it illegal with Icicle Crash or something ?
Mamo will most likely falter and be fodder save for the occasional Ice Shard against heavy offensive; however, this metagame is balanced, maybe even leaning towards stall -- where mamo shines. Also, I dunno about you, but 2HKOing Lugia, Giratina, and Groudon relying solely on physical attacks is quite impressive to me.
 
Mamo will most likely falter and be fodder save for the occasional Ice Shard against heavy offensive; however, this metagame is balanced, maybe even leaning towards stall -- where mamo shines. Also, I dunno about you, but 2HKOing Lugia, Giratina, and Groudon relying solely on physical attacks is quite impressive to me.
Oh it is impressive. They will not switch into Mamoswine, but it's not like Mamoswine can switch into them and win. Except maybe for Groudon, but even then uninvested Earthquake 2HKOs Mamoswine.

I am quite curious, what classic member of stall is Mamoswine entry point ? I guess you can switch into Blissey lacking Toxik or just try to 2HKO Forretress with LO Earthquake (decent chances), but still...
 

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It can't really switch into much save for Thunder, but once its in they better watch out...
 
It is much better off just using icicle crash or EQ for the surefire damage than hoping for the 30% chance to kick in. SR is mentioned as a "mamo can if no one else on the team can" kind of option, and he actually does stress that. Body Slam is OO material in my opinion.
 
Just want to point out that Skarmory is no longer a full stop to Mamoswine.
SDef Skarm takes 44.3% - 52.1% from LO Adamant Icicle Crash, which can lead to a 2HKO with Stealth Rock, and it's really not safe for Skarmory to Roost on that, because of the 30% Flinch chance of Icicle Crash.
Impish Skarmory is still a decent counter.
 
Skarmory can switch in on any move but Icicle Crash even with Specially Defensive spread. As long as it doesn't come in on Icicle Crash, Skarmory is pretty safe bar flinches or hax.

firecape, you need to mention Icicle Spear for Mamoswine. It totally owns Sub Calm Mind Giratina-O and can be stronger than Icicle Spear if 4 or more hits land and doesn't miss usually. Icicle Crash is still better for the reliability but you should mention Icicle Spear.
 

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[Overview]

<p>This generation has been extremely kind to Mamoswine, and it is now endowed with a reliable Ice-type STAB, Icicle Crash. Icicle Crash in conjunction with and Earthquake score 2HKOes on nearly everything in the tier, with the assistance of Stealth Rock. Mamoswine also has access to priority in the form of Ice Shard, which can be extremely useful in Ubers with the plethora of Dragon-types that run rampant. Mamoswine also has an ever-useful immunity to Electric-type attacks,(comma) too, which provides it with many opportunities to switch in. However, Mamoswine is not without its flaws. Its below-average Speed is its biggest downfall, and makes it a bit reliant on prediction. Mamoswine's typing makes it vulnerable to all forms of entry hazards, which will wear it down quickly. It also is a bit frail by Ubers standards, and can't take many hits, if any, on the special side. Do not let these downfalls deter you from using Mamoswine; it can be a terror on the battlefield when used correctly.</p>

[SET]
name: Physical Attacker
move 1: Icicle Crash
move 2: Earthquake
move 3: Ice Shard
move 4: Substitute / Stealth Rock
item: Life Orb
ability: Snow Cloak
nature: Adamant
evs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
<p>Mamoswine is quite powerful, and has the ability to 2HKO basically everything in the tier, save for two hard counters. A reliable physical Ice STAB is what really gives Mamoswine its niche, however, as it allows it to 2HKO common physical walls like such as Giratina, Groudon, and Lugia with Stealth Rock support. Its other STAB is not forgotten though. Ground is an amazing STAB that lets Mamoswine send Steel-types that aren't immune to it running. Even Ferrothorn is 2HKOed by it, despite its great defensive prowess.</p>

<p>Icicle Crash is really what gives Mamoswine its niche - not many Pokemon have a reliable physical Ice-type move. Earthquake is raw power, and can tear through most neutral targets that resist Icicle Crash. Ice Shard is a powerful, and extremely useful, priority move. In a tier where Dragon-type Pokemon run rampant, Ice Shard finds itself many uses. Ice Shard OHKOes Rayquaza, Garchomp, and Shaymin-S, and does a truckload to most Dragon-type Pokemon. The last slot is a bit of a filler, but it can be useful. Mamoswine will often cause an obvious switch, and you will need to predict what switches in to safely 2HKO it. Substitute can ease this kind of prediction and make Mamoswine's life easier, but it will make Mamoswine die even faster to hazards and Life Orb recoil. Stealth Rock can go in the final slot if your team is desperate for a Stealth Rock user, but there are far better users of the move.</p>

[Additional Comments]
<p>Here are some calculations to show just how powerful Mamoswine is, and show how much it appreciates Stealth Rock:</p>

<ul class="damage_calculation">
<li>Icicle Crash vs. 252/252+ Groudon 55.4% - 65.8%</li>
<li>Icicle Crash vs. 252/252+ Lugia 56.7% - 67.8%</li>
<li>Ice Shard vs. 252/252+ Lugia 27.4% - 32.2%</li>
<li>Icicle Crash vs. 248/248+ Giratina 50.5% - 59.6%</li>
<li>Icicle Crash vs. 0/0 Giratina-O 90.2% - 106.6%</li>
<li>Icicle Crash vs. 248/0 Ho-Oh 52% - 61.7%</li>
<li>Earthquake vs. 252/0 Dialga 98.5% - 116.3%</li>
<li>Earthquake vs. 252/0 +1 Dialga 65.8% - 77.7%</li>
<li>Earthquake vs. 4/0 Kyogre 74.6% - 88%</li>
<li>Ice Shard vs. 4/0 Kyogre 14.9% - 17.5%</li>
<li>Earthquake vs. 252/0 Steel Arceus 89.6% - 105.9%</li>
<li>Earthquake vs. 252/0 Ferrothorn 52.8% - 62.2%</li>
<li>Ice Shard vs. 4/0 Rayquaza 115.9% - 137.5%</li>
<li>Ice Shard vs. 4/0 Garchomp 110.6% - 130.7%</li>
<li>Ice Shard vs. 4/0 Shaymin-S 138% - 164.9%</li>
</ul>

<p>As you can see, Stealth Rock is necessary to secure a few important KOs. Mamoswine is not that reliable of a Stealth Rock user, so it is wise to carry one, such as Dialga or Groudon. It may seem odd to use Adamant and max Speed, but both are necessary. The max Speed allows it to outspeed base 90 Speed Pokemon that do not invest heavily. If they do invest heavily, they will likely use a Speed-boosting nature, in which case Jolly would not help anyways. Adamant's power is also necessary to score key 2HKOes against defensive Pokemon such as Ferrothorn. It may be tempting to use Expert Belt to lessen the passive damage Mamoswine takes, but it really needs that extra power, especially against Pokemon like the aforementioned Ferrothorn,(comma) where it has to rely on raw power to muscle through, and not without super effective attacks. Stone Edge may be a bit tempting to use, but notice the Icicle Crash calculation vs. Ho-Oh - it Ho-OH—it (that's an emdash, not space hyphen space) is most likely dying, making Stone Edge highly unnecessary. Paralysis support is also something to consider when using Mamoswine. Mamoswine is on the slow side, so luring in and paralyzing the Pokemon that can cause it trouble can really give it the edge to push through the opposing team. Kyogre, Jirachi, and Ferrothorn all excel in spreading paralysis.</p>

<p>Zekrom makes a great partner to Mamoswine, as it can decimate Pokemon like Skarmory, Kyogre, and Bronzong,(comma) who would otherwise give Mamoswine a hard time. Mamoswine can also take down Groudon for Zekrom. Finally, Zekrom resists a good portion of Mamoswine's weaknesses as well, giving it something to switch in on. When using Mamoswine, it is good to have Pokemon that can switch into the likes of Kyogre. Palkia fits the bill, and can alsao, depending on the weather, incinerate or and electrify Skarmory and Bronzong. Mamoswine can also use teammates that lure Electric-type attack for it to switch in on. Kyogre is one of such Pokemon, and Kyogre who can also drown Skarmory and Bronzong. If you really hate the oft-repeated Steel-type duo that give Mamoswine trouble, you can use Magnezone to send them packing. Finally, a teammate with Rapid Spin can help Mamoswine, as it is vulnerable to all forms of hazards. Forretress and Tentacruel are examples of Pokemon that can work well in Ubers and provide Rapid Spin support, in addition to other useful support options.</p>

[Other Options]

<p>Mamoswine doesn't really have many useful options that aren't already detailed above. You could use an Endeavor Lead set with Stealth Rock, Ice Shard, and a Focus Sash, but that's iffy. A Choice Band set can capitalize on Mamoswine's raw power, but it will rely even more heavily on prediction. Its Dream World ability, Thick Fat, could be useful if not for the fact it is illegal with Ice Shard and Icicle Crash. Icicle Spear does more damage if it hits four times, and, in addition, it can break Substitutes; however, it is otherwise an unreliable method of damage. A set with Curse could be used, but Mamoswine would be demolished by basically every special attacker. Body Slam can let Mamoswine spread its own paralysis, but its wasting its potential. Finally, Superpower would have its uses if not the for the fact that it is illegal with Icicle Crash.</p>

[Checks and Counters]

<p>Mamoswine is hard countered by Skarmory and Bronzong. It can't really run anything to break through them, and so it will have to rely on teammates. Defensive Arceus that aren't weak to its STAB moves aren't 2HKOed with some investment, and can burn Mamoswine with Will-O-Wisp, taking away any chance it hads of causing havoc. Manaphy can outspeed Mamoswine and OHKO it easily with Surf. It also isn't taken down by Earthquake + Ice Shard unless it invests next to nothing and a significant amount of entry hazards are down. Entry hazards in general will wear down Mamoswine quite quickly in conjunction with Life Orb. Reshiram is another Pokemon that sends Mamoswine running, as it isn't weak to Ice Shard and can outspeed Mamoswine and OHKO it; however, it can't switch directly in for fear of Earthquake. A fast Kyogre is in a similar boat; it can easily OHKO Mamoswine with its STAB moves and resists Ice Shard, but it will have trouble switching in directly. As long as it doesn't switch into Icicle Crash, Lugia can come in and set up Reflect on Mamoswine. It will still take a decent chunk of damage, but it can easily Roost away the wounds Mamoswine has inflicted upon it. If Giratina manages to switch in safely,(comma) it can burn Mamoswine, making it useless. Scizor can Bullet Punch Mamowine into oblivion, and Mamoswine can't touch a Heatran with an Air Balloon. In general, Mamoswine is easily checked by faster Pokemon who aren't weak to Ice Shard.</p>

[overview]
  • Can 2HKO almost everything in the tier with SR
  • 2 great STABs to work with (Ice is a beast physical STAB!)
  • Icicle Crash being an amazing upgrade blah blah - can 2HKO physical walls
  • strong priority
  • A bit on the slow and frail side for ubers standards
  • needs to predict or hazards + LO will wear it out quickly
  • Electric immunity
Set comments
  • tears through teams - Icicle Crash was godsend for Mamo
  • Ice STAB is super effective against all the common physical walls (Groudon, Lugia, Giratina), and therefore Mamoswine can 2HKO them all with Adamant and Life Orb [talk about other bulky pokemon like ferrothorn too, etc]
  • Earthquake mops up annoying Steel-types
  • Ice Shard is powerful priority that lets it revenge stuff like non-ExtremeSpeed Rayquaza, Shaymin-S, and Garchomp with impunity
  • Adamant is 100% necessary to score the 2HKO on Groudon
  • may seem odd to not run Jolly and max Speed, but max Speed and Adamant allow you to outspeed all base 90 Speed Pokemon that do not invest heavily in Speed -- which Jolly wouldn't help with anyways as its usually a little or none. Bulk isn't really helping mamo that much either
  • Mamoswine can force a ton of switches and relies a bit on prediction, so Substitute can be used to help
  • it forces a lot out so you can use a turn to set up SR if your team desperately needs a SRer
additional comments
  • calcs vs Groudon Ferrothorn Lugia Giratina etc
  • Expert Belt may seem a better option but then its destroyed by Ferrothorn and it loses the 2HKO on most Groudon
  • SR support to secure 2HKO on Lugia & Giratina
  • Stone Edge is nearly-useless because Ho-Oh is OHKOed by Icicle Crash after SR, even with 252 HP unless it holds leftovers, which brings it to ~50% OHKO chance
  • fits well on rain teams
  • relys a lot on prediction
  • need a pokemon to switch into Kyogre and Tina-O if you mispredict their switch in
  • Zekrom is a great partner as Zekrom can destroy Kyogre, Skarmory, and Bronzong for Mamoswine, while Mamo can take out other physical walls like Groudon that Zekrom hates
  • paralysis support
  • Zekrom resists a good number of mamo's weaknesses
  • Palkia can take down and switch into Kyogre, in addition to Skarm and Bronzong
  • Kyogre can take Fire attacks aimed at mamo while mamo can switch into Thunder
  • electric attack lures
  • mamoswine can trap bronzong and Skarmory
  • Mamoswine could use a Rapid Spinner teammate as it hates all hazards and switches around a lot
other options
  • not really that much...
  • Endeavor Lead set with SR and Sash
  • Choice Band
  • Thick Fat is released but its illegal with Ice Shard and Icicle Crash
  • Curse

  • Skarmory
  • Bronzong
  • Defensive Arceus that aren't weak to its STABs can WoW
  • Manaphy can outspeed and Surf it into oblivion, and it isn't OHKOed by anything Mamoswine has to offer. It can rest off any damage taken later with Hydration too, and it resists Ice Shard
  • Hazards in general will wear down Mamoswine fast as it will be switching around a lot. Toxic Spikes in particular can chip up to 22.5% per turn off Mamo
  • Reshiram doesn't take too much from Ice Shard and outspeeds and OHKOes Mamoswine, but it can't switch into Earthquake.
  • Lugia with reflect as long as it doesn't switch into icicle crash
  • Mamoswine gets a lot of 2HKOes, so prediction is key to beating it
  • Mamoswine is revenged by basically everything that can outspeed it and isn't weak to Ice, but Ice Shard still hurts regardless
  • If Giratina switches in safely it can WoW
  • Faster Kyogre can drown it and has resistance to Ice Shard
  • Scizor can destroy it with Bullet Punch
  • If Heatran can keep its balloon intact Mamoswine can't touch it

This is an excellent check. Corrections are few and far between, so it will look gorgeous after these edits.



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firecape, you need to mention Icicle Spear for Mamoswine. It totally owns Sub Calm Mind Giratina-O and can be stronger than Icicle Spear if 4 or more hits land and doesn't miss usually. Icicle Crash is still better for the reliability but you should mention Icicle Spear.
Maybe mention that if you go for Icicle Spear, you can also use Superpower legally. You can nail Blissey in one hit and get to muscle through Ferrothorn after after some Spikes damage. It's also your strongest hit on Bronzong if anything.
 
Mamoswine benefits from each weather barring Sandstream. Until Thick Fat is usable it needs Kyogre for removing its Fire weakness, Kyogre attracts Thunders for free switch-ins too.

Groudon removes Mamoswine's Water weakness while also setting up Stealth Rocks. Groudon can also use Fire Punch / Overheat for the Grass or Steel types that aren't afraid of Ice Shard or EQ like Ferrothorn.
 
Shedinja doesn't really hard counter anything, especially with team preview screaming "get rocks up for a free kill," and any decently played spinblock is keeping them there for a while.
 

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Mamoswine benefits from each weather barring Sandstream. Until Thick Fat is usable it needs Kyogre for removing its Fire weakness, Kyogre attracts Thunders for free switch-ins too.

Groudon removes Mamoswine's Water weakness while also setting up Stealth Rocks. Groudon can also use Fire Punch / Overheat for the Grass or Steel types that aren't afraid of Ice Shard or EQ like Ferrothorn.

Kyogre and Groudon are both mentioned.

edit: also edited in nixhex's check, thanks!
 
How much does it deal to Zekrom? It can switch into Lightening Strike and Ice Shard before being hit, or Icicle Spear it.

How much does EQ deal to Rishiram?

These are important calcs to add in OP. Can't a Scarf set be in OO for checking/revenge killing?
 

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[Overview]

<p>This generation has been extremely kind to Mamoswine, and it is now endowed with a reliable Ice-type STAB attack: , Icicle Crash. Icicle Crash and Earthquake score 2HKOes on nearly everything in the tier, with the assistance of Stealth Rock. Mamoswine also has access to priority in the form of Ice Shard, which can be extremely useful in Ubers with the plethora of Dragon-types that run rampant. Mamoswine also has an ever-useful immunity to Electric-type attacks, which provides it with many opportunities to switch in. However, Mamoswine is not without its flaws. Its below-average Speed is its biggest downfall, and makes it a bit reliant on prediction. Mamoswine's typing makes it vulnerable to all forms of entry hazards, which will wear it down quickly. It also is a bit frail by Ubers standards, and can't take many hits, if any, on the special side. Do not let these downfalls deter you from using Mamoswine; it can be a terror on the battlefield when used correctly.</p>

[SET]
name: Physical Attacker
move 1: Icicle Crash
move 2: Earthquake
move 3: Ice Shard
move 4: Substitute / Stealth Rock
item: Life Orb
ability: Snow Cloak
nature: Adamant
evs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
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<p>Mamoswine is quite powerful, and has the ability to 2HKO basically everything in the tier, save for its two hard counters. A reliable physical Ice STAB is what really gives Mamoswine its niche, however, as it allows it to 2HKO common physical walls such as Giratina, Groudon, and Lugia with Stealth Rock support. Its other STAB is not forgotten though. Ground is an amazing STAB that lets Mamoswine send Steel-types that aren't immune to it running. Even Ferrothorn is 2HKOed by it, despite its great defensive prowess.</p>

<p>Icicle Crash is really what gives Mamoswine its niche - not many Pokemon have a reliable physical Ice-type move. Earthquake is raw power, and can tear through most neutral targets that resist Icicle Crash. Ice Shard is a powerful, and extremely useful, priority move. In a tier where Dragon-type Pokemon run rampant, Ice Shard finds itself many uses. Ice Shard OHKOes Rayquaza, Garchomp, and Shaymin-S, and does a truckload to most Dragon-type Pokemon. The last slot is a bit of a filler, but it can be useful. Mamoswine will often cause an obvious switch, and you will need to predict what switches in to safely 2HKO it. Substitute can ease this kind of prediction and make Mamoswine's life easier, but it will make Mamoswine die even faster to hazards and Life Orb recoil. Stealth Rock can go in the final slot if your team is desperate for a Stealth Rock user, but there are far better users of the move.</p>

[Additional Comments] [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
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<p>Here are some calculations to show just how powerful Mamoswine is, and show how much it appreciates Stealth Rock:</p>

<ul class="damage_calculation">
<li>Icicle Crash vs. 252/252+ Groudon 55.4% - 65.8%</li>
<li>Icicle Crash vs. 252/252+ Lugia 56.7% - 67.8%</li>
<li>Ice Shard vs. 252/252+ Lugia 27.4% - 32.2%</li>
<li>Icicle Crash vs. 248/248+ Giratina 50.5% - 59.6%</li>
<li>Icicle Crash vs. 0/0 Giratina-O 90.2% - 106.6%</li>
<li>Icicle Crash vs. 248/0 Ho-Oh 52% - 61.7%</li>
<li>Earthquake vs. 252/0 Dialga 98.5% - 116.3%</li>
<li>Earthquake vs. 252/0 +1 Dialga 65.8% - 77.7%</li>
<li>Earthquake vs. 4/0 Kyogre 74.6% - 88%</li>
<li>Ice Shard vs. 4/0 Kyogre 14.9% - 17.5%</li>
<li>Earthquake vs. 252/0 Steel Arceus 89.6% - 105.9%</li>
<li>Earthquake vs. 252/0 Ferrothorn 52.8% - 62.2%</li>
<li>Ice Shard vs. 4/0 Rayquaza 115.9% - 137.5%</li>
<li>Ice Shard vs. 4/0 Garchomp 110.6% - 130.7%</li>
<li>Ice Shard vs. 4/0 Shaymin-S 138% - 164.9%</li>
</ul>

<p>As you can see, Stealth Rock is necessary to secure a few important KOs. Mamoswine is not that reliable of a Stealth Rock user, so it is wise to carry one, such as Dialga or Groudon. It may seem odd to use Adamant and max Speed, but both are necessary. The max Speed allows it to outspeed base 90 Speed Pokemon that do not invest heavily. If they do invest heavily, they will likely use a Speed-boosting nature, in which case Jolly would not help anyways. Adamant's power is also necessary to score key 2HKOes against defensive Pokemon such as Ferrothorn. It may be tempting to use Expert Belt to lessen the passive damage Mamoswine takes, but it really needs that extra power, especially against Pokemon like the aforementioned Ferrothorn, where it has to rely on raw power to muscle through, without super effective attacks. Stone Edge may be a bit tempting to use, but notice the Icicle Crash calculation vs. Ho-Oh&emdash; it is most likely dying, making Stone Edge highly unecessary unnecessary. Paralysis support is also something to consider when using Mamoswine. Mamoswine , (comma) as it is on the slow side, so luring in and paralyzing the Pokemon that can cause it trouble can really give it the edge to push through the opposing team. Kyogre, Jirachi, and Ferrothorn all excel in spreading paralysis.</p>

<p>Zekrom makes a great partner to Mamoswine, as it can decimate Pokemon like Skarmory, Kyogre, and Bronzong, who that would otherwise give Mamoswine a hard time. Mamoswine can also take down Groudon for Zekrom. Finally, Zekrom while it resists a good portion of Mamoswine's weaknesses as well, giving it something to switch in on. When using Mamoswine, it is good to have Pokemon that can switch into the likes of Kyogre. Palkia fits the bill, and can also, depending on the weather, incinerate and electrify Skarmory and Bronzong. Mamoswine can also use teammates that lure Electric-type attacks for it to switch in on. Kyogre is one of such Pokemon, who and it can also drown Skarmory and Bronzong with Water Spout. If you really hate the oft-repeated Steel-type duo that give Mamoswine trouble, you can use Magnezone to send them packing. Finally, a teammate with Rapid Spin can help Mamoswine, as it is vulnerable to all forms of hazards. Forretress and Tentacruel are examples of Pokemon that can work well in Ubers and provide Rapid Spin support, in addition to other useful support options.</p>

[Other Options]

<p>Mamoswine doesn't really have many useful options that aren't already detailed above. You could use an Endeavor Lead set with Stealth Rock, Ice Shard, and a Focus Sash, but that's iffy at best. A Choice Band set can capitalize on Mamoswine's raw power, but it will rely even more heavily on prediction. Its Dream World ability, Thick Fat, could be useful if not for the fact it is illegal with Ice Shard and Icicle Crash. Icicle Spear does more damage if it hits four times, and, in addition, it can break Substitutes; however, it is otherwise an unreliable method of causing damage. A set with Curse could be used, but Mamoswine would be demolished by basically every special attacker. Body Slam can let Mamoswine spread its own paralysis, but its wasting its potential. Finally, Superpower would have its uses if not the for the fact that it is illegal with Icicle Crash.</p>

[Checks and Counters]

<p>Mamoswine is hard countered by Skarmory and Bronzong. It can't really run anything to break through them, so it will have to rely on teammates. Defensive Arceus that aren't weak to its STAB moves aren't 2HKOed with some investment, and can burn Mamoswine with Will-O-Wisp, taking away any chance it has of causing havoc. Manaphy can outspeed Mamoswine and OHKO it easily with Surf. It also isn't taken down by Earthquake + Ice Shard unless it invests next to nothing in its defenses and a significant amount of entry hazards are down. Entry hazards in general will wear down Mamoswine quite quickly in conjunction with Life Orb. Reshiram is another Pokemon that sends Mamoswine running, as it isn't weak to Ice Shard and can outspeed Mamoswine and OHKO it;, (comma) however, it can't switch in directly in for fear of Earthquake. A fast Kyogre is in a similar boat; it can easily OHKO Mamoswine with its STAB moves and resists Ice Shard, but it too will have trouble switching in directly. As long as it doesn't switch into Icicle Crash, Lugia can come in and set up Reflect on Mamoswine. It will still take a decent chunk of damage, but it can easily Roost away the wounds Mamoswine has inflicted upon it. If Giratina manages to switch in safely, it can burn Mamoswine, making it useless. Scizor can Bullet Punch Mamowine into oblivion, and Mamoswine can't touch a Heatran with an Air Balloon. In general, Mamoswine is easily checked by faster Pokemon who aren't weak to Ice Shard.</p>


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