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Good Leads In UU
- Thread starter ItsSuperKook
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Good Lead
Probopass (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 80 Def / 128 SAtk / 48 SDef
Hardy Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Flash Cannon
- Taunt
- Thunderbolt
Works well for me. Prevents Quiver Dancer and sets up Stealth Rock. I named it Fat Ass.
Probopass (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 80 Def / 128 SAtk / 48 SDef
Hardy Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Flash Cannon
- Taunt
- Thunderbolt
Works well for me. Prevents Quiver Dancer and sets up Stealth Rock. I named it Fat Ass.
Quick question, Killer Fancium, how does that set prevent Quiver Dancing when you fail to do damage to Venomoth after a +1 and he can wear you down with unresisted Bug Buzzes until Sleep Powder and Baton Pass are available again? In fact, if I were sure you weren't carrying something unorthodox like Stone Edge, I'm inclined to switch right in and set up on you.
Perhaps a better explanation is why is he running Hardy instead of something like Bold or Modest.
There are also weather teams where weather leads are rather common(Hippopotas/Abomasnow).
Ambipom (M) @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Technician
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Fake Out
- Switcheroo
- Retaliate/Low Sweep
- U-turn
Talk about an insane amount of momentum starting off with a crippled physical wall on Turn 1 as nobody NEVER expects to get switcheroo'd a scarf. Jolly Ambipom is also faster than most tanks even if they have a scarf, so just U-Turn out if they stay in for ridiculous early game momentum.
I love this set more than any other that I've ever thought of completely on my own. It's hard for me to make a team without it because of how effective it is. Ambipom is synonymous with Fake Out, but soon everyone will learn what it's really capable of :naughty:
Trait: Technician
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Fake Out
- Switcheroo
- Retaliate/Low Sweep
- U-turn
Talk about an insane amount of momentum starting off with a crippled physical wall on Turn 1 as nobody NEVER expects to get switcheroo'd a scarf. Jolly Ambipom is also faster than most tanks even if they have a scarf, so just U-Turn out if they stay in for ridiculous early game momentum.
I love this set more than any other that I've ever thought of completely on my own. It's hard for me to make a team without it because of how effective it is. Ambipom is synonymous with Fake Out, but soon everyone will learn what it's really capable of :naughty:
Is scarf fake out REALLY viable?
I like the sound of that one casey :)
For me it's Scarf Togekiss and SpecsJolt. Scarfkiss haxs Donphan and other non Aerodactyl/Snorlax/Registeel pokes to death, Jolt is a powerful Volt Switcher if the opponent has no Ground pokes.
For me it's Scarf Togekiss and SpecsJolt. Scarfkiss haxs Donphan and other non Aerodactyl/Snorlax/Registeel pokes to death, Jolt is a powerful Volt Switcher if the opponent has no Ground pokes.
whimsicott ): assuming the tier changes have already been made
because maybe he didn't bother siwtching it??????????????????????????????????????????????????
I'm not sure I can agree with you. You can't apply this concept to all types of teams, as in HO, you often times want a lead that can set the momentum for you. Whether you have a dedicated lead to setup entry hazards, prevent entry hazards, or dual screen, it definitely allows you to set the momentum of the match in a different way than what you stated. Obviously, in a balanced team, you get momentum by having Pokemon advantage. However, to say that the lead metagame is completely dead is false.
i don't bother with designing pokes to work as leads, but generally i lead with deoxys-d. spikes + fast taunt generally work out. if he has a lot of counters to that but no pokes that threaten a grass move, ill lead w/ swampert for rocks. if i see that god-awful crobat with it's light-speed taunt on his team, i lead with chandelure and threaten that disgusting little bat right out. damn crobat is annoying to stall... not that it really threatens anything, but it's just so annoying good god.
i guess what i can pull from that ramble is if you looking for a lead:
not many counter-leads for it > fast taunt > hazards / trick > counters a prominent lead
i guess what i can pull from that ramble is if you looking for a lead:
not many counter-leads for it > fast taunt > hazards / trick > counters a prominent lead
To everybody saying the lead metagame is dead: Yes. What we knew before is certainly not applicable now.
To everybody who thinks leads aren't very important: No. You're wrong.
Think in terms of lead pairs. A hazard-setter+powerhouse, two utility mons with good synergy, etc.
I like this pair:
Rampardos @ Choice Band
252 Atk/252 Spe/4 Def
Jolly / Mold Breaker
Head Smash
Earthquake
Stone Edge
Crunch/Superpower
Claydol @ Leftovers
252 HP/176 Def/80 SpDef
Bold / Levitate
Stealth Rock
Rapid Spin
Toxic
Earth Power
Ramp can 2hko the bulky psychics Uxie and Deo-D with either his STAB move or Crunch while outspeeding those that focus on bulk, while Claydol can come in on ground and fighting moves to set up your own hazards/spin. Shared weakness to Water and Grass kinda sucks, but Ramp has the defenses of a wet paper bag anyway, so it doesn't matter much.
To everybody who thinks leads aren't very important: No. You're wrong.
Think in terms of lead pairs. A hazard-setter+powerhouse, two utility mons with good synergy, etc.
I like this pair:
Rampardos @ Choice Band
252 Atk/252 Spe/4 Def
Jolly / Mold Breaker
Head Smash
Earthquake
Stone Edge
Crunch/Superpower
Claydol @ Leftovers
252 HP/176 Def/80 SpDef
Bold / Levitate
Stealth Rock
Rapid Spin
Toxic
Earth Power
Ramp can 2hko the bulky psychics Uxie and Deo-D with either his STAB move or Crunch while outspeeding those that focus on bulk, while Claydol can come in on ground and fighting moves to set up your own hazards/spin. Shared weakness to Water and Grass kinda sucks, but Ramp has the defenses of a wet paper bag anyway, so it doesn't matter much.
Toxic spikes Roserade and dual hazard Deoxys-D are always great if you want quick and reliable entry hazards. But then again, I usually end up seeing more offensive leads due to the pre-match viewing of each trainer's teams.
Maybe I'm oldschool, but I still like my dedicated lead Azelf
Definitely on the faster side of things, especially with people giving up their hyper-speed openers. Can hazard, taunt, and U-turn to support, as well as bringing a monstrous fireblast to take out a lot of pesky grass problems.
Definitely on the faster side of things, especially with people giving up their hyper-speed openers. Can hazard, taunt, and U-turn to support, as well as bringing a monstrous fireblast to take out a lot of pesky grass problems.