I'm not really opposed to a Kingler analysis. Since we're starting to approve the lower pokes, Kingler's far from awful. It makes for an impressive Shell-Pass target.
If no other QC members are going to disapprove, I'd say go for it.
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Pokemon Unfit for UU Analyses
- Thread starter Oglemi
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If no other QC members are going to disapprove, I'd say go for it.
Just a note, but Empoleon also resists Crabhammer + Return. But yeah it's viable
Yeah I wanted to mention that too, Empoleon's a big one (bring Brick Break, lol)
Completely forgot bout Empoleon derp. I'll try to get a skeleton up soon.
Ursaring should be able to get AT LEAST a UU analysis. Here's my proof.
http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3452466
I use it in my OU team all the time. It works.
http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3452466
I use it in my OU team all the time. It works.
How is that proof? That's just a link to a locked analysis that you posted. Proof would be logs of you sweeping UU teams with Ursaring and making an argument of why it is good in UU. I don't doubt that Ursaring isn't good it's just that for it to get an analysis you're going to need to make a compelling argument for it.
I'm going to have to agree with Oglemi. I think it could be a good Pokemon, but I'd like to see a better presented argument...
Well if Kingler ends up getting rejected by QC (already 1/3) I might put together an argument for that big lovable bear who will rip your face off
id like to remove simisear (the fire monkey) off the list. it has a much better time pulling off a nasty plot sweep than Houndoom, and is not completely outclassed by anything as a fire type sweeper in this metagame (infernape has ou). it has a decent movepool with fire blast, focus blast, grass knot, and hidden power. also its bad typing isnt much of an issue if its defenses are THAT bad. he also reaches a REALLY nice speed tier for this meta, and outside of priority and scarfers, it can actually sweep pretty well.
if simipour gets an analysis, then i think simisear should, as they have the same issues with no differences besides typing. defensively water may be better, but with those defenes it wont make enough of a difference. and then offensively they are both very nice. also fire blast has more accuracy than hydro miss :D
if simipour gets an analysis, then i think simisear should, as they have the same issues with no differences besides typing. defensively water may be better, but with those defenes it wont make enough of a difference. and then offensively they are both very nice. also fire blast has more accuracy than hydro miss :D
Well... Simisear is faster than Houndoom and even Celebi, though he's slower than Azelf. The main problem with him, though, is that he has a very shallow special movepool. A set would probably look like Flamethrower/Fire Blast, Focus Blast, Grass Knot, and Nasty Plot. Unfortunately, Simisear has poor defenses as well as a rather low Special Attack of 98. Don't think Simisage will ever get taken off the list, though, as the only advantage he has over Celebi as a Nasty Plot user is one more speed point.
breh
強いだね
I don't really think that one more speed point is enough to merit using it over victini though, especially since like none of the threats that it has bar flygon (which I assume can be hit with hp ice or something) are handled any better by simisear.
EDIT: A list of what random pokemon with 100 base speed do to victini and simisear
Zapdos: Usually univested in speed (mostly I see subroosttoxic), Simisear I don't think OHKOes without LO and does not always OHKO with Nasty Plot if it is specially defensive (but I don't know what evs they usually run); realistically, dos doesn't really switch into either poke because both mean that it has to take strong fire moves.
Mew: Usually uninvested in speed
Celebi: lol
Flygon: like I said, simisear handles it better
Shaymin: lol
Victini: Simisear can't handle it at all due to its bulk; the strongest move it has is lolhiddenpower.
I realize it has nasty plot, but victini actually has the power to be a threat without any setup. In addition, it also has bulk as well as a nicer typing (before anybody says "but pursuit" look me in the metaphorical eye and tell me that simisear is taking switching pursuits first)
EDIT: A list of what random pokemon with 100 base speed do to victini and simisear
Zapdos: Usually univested in speed (mostly I see subroosttoxic), Simisear I don't think OHKOes without LO and does not always OHKO with Nasty Plot if it is specially defensive (but I don't know what evs they usually run); realistically, dos doesn't really switch into either poke because both mean that it has to take strong fire moves.
Mew: Usually uninvested in speed
Celebi: lol
Flygon: like I said, simisear handles it better
Shaymin: lol
Victini: Simisear can't handle it at all due to its bulk; the strongest move it has is lolhiddenpower.
I realize it has nasty plot, but victini actually has the power to be a threat without any setup. In addition, it also has bulk as well as a nicer typing (before anybody says "but pursuit" look me in the metaphorical eye and tell me that simisear is taking switching pursuits first)
lol breh stop confusing simisear and simipour, its making me think harder than i should.
obviously simisear isnt a top threat, but if simipour is allowed an analysis, with identifical stat spreads and equally good offensive typing, i dont see why one should get an analysis and not the other. simipour actually has a 4ms syndrome anyway (nasty plot, ice beam, hydro pump, focus blast, grass knot). if it wants to hit empoleon it needs focus blast, if it wants to hit grass types it needs ice beam, and if wants to even touch other bulky waters it needs grass knot.
obviously simisear isnt a top threat, but if simipour is allowed an analysis, with identifical stat spreads and equally good offensive typing, i dont see why one should get an analysis and not the other. simipour actually has a 4ms syndrome anyway (nasty plot, ice beam, hydro pump, focus blast, grass knot). if it wants to hit empoleon it needs focus blast, if it wants to hit grass types it needs ice beam, and if wants to even touch other bulky waters it needs grass knot.
I would reject simisear. It's so outclassed by Victini, I'm convinced of this. Vicitini's V-Create is stronger than Rayquaza's Outrage; Victini is completely superior as a wallbreaker. While Victini can't really pull off a sweep, frankly Simisear's speed/bulk are far too weak to pull off one either.
Nasty Plot/Swords Dance users have to have significant speed/bulk, some form of survivability to be successful. In OU you have to be something like Garchomp, Manaphy or Excadrill in terms of speed/bulk; or else have a good priority move like Scizor. In UU, Mismag pulls it off with fantastic speed on top of awesome resistances and significant special bulk. Simisear has none of that to work with.
Frankly, Simisear falls flat there, on top of being outclassed in offensive power by the likes of Victini and Arcanine.
Nasty Plot/Swords Dance users have to have significant speed/bulk, some form of survivability to be successful. In OU you have to be something like Garchomp, Manaphy or Excadrill in terms of speed/bulk; or else have a good priority move like Scizor. In UU, Mismag pulls it off with fantastic speed on top of awesome resistances and significant special bulk. Simisear has none of that to work with.
Frankly, Simisear falls flat there, on top of being outclassed in offensive power by the likes of Victini and Arcanine.
ook if we are rejecting simisear. then i vote we reject simipour too.it has the exact same issues as simisear does.
ok not the exact, being that its the only water type with nasty plot, but it has the same sweeping issues as simisear, and if np sweeping is the only thing simipour is doing, then it shouldnt get an analysis
ok not the exact, being that its the only water type with nasty plot, but it has the same sweeping issues as simisear, and if np sweeping is the only thing simipour is doing, then it shouldnt get an analysis
I'm frankly not a big fan of simipour either, if one of the other QC members want to reject it I'd be okay with that. I personally won't go out of my way to reject it because it does have advantages over simisear.
It's not got anything that directly outclasses it, and frankly Water / Grass / Ice is much better than Fire / Grass / Focus Fail Accuracy
It's not got anything that directly outclasses it, and frankly Water / Grass / Ice is much better than Fire / Grass / Focus Fail Accuracy
I have one for you, and some supplementary anecdotes to go with.
This is a scarf set
Battle between Crisp Communist and doodles started!
Tier: Standard UU
Variation: +23, -9
Rule: Rated
Rule: Sleep Clause
Rule: Species Clause
Rule: Wifi Battle
doodles sent out Bikutini! (Victini)
Crisp Communist sent out Rotom-C!
Start of turn 1
doodles called Bikutini back!
doodles sent out Donphan!
The foe's Rotom-C used Volt Switch!
It had no effect!
Start of turn 2
Crisp Communist called Rotom-C back!
Crisp Communist sent out Blastoise!
Donphan used Stealth Rock!
Pointed stones float in the air around Crisp Communist's team!
Start of turn 3
doodles called Donphan back!
doodles sent out Shiftry!
The foe's Blastoise used Rapid Spin!
Shiftry lost 17 HP! (4% of its health)
The foe's Blastoise blew away Stealth Rock!
Start of turn 4
Shiftry used Swords Dance!
Shiftry's Attack sharply rose!
The foe's Blastoise used Roar!
Umbreon was dragged out!
Start of turn 5
Crisp Communist called Blastoise back!
Crisp Communist sent out Roserade!
doodles called Umbreon back!
doodles sent out Bikutini! (Victini)
Start of turn 6
Crisp Communist called Roserade back!
Crisp Communist sent out Rhyperior!
Bikutini used Zen Headbutt!
The foe's Rhyperior lost 34% of its health!
The foe's Rhyperior restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Start of turn 7
doodles called Bikutini back!
doodles sent out Donphan!
The foe's Rhyperior used Stealth Rock!
Pointed stones float in the air around doodles's team!
The foe's Rhyperior restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Start of turn 8
Crisp Communist called Rhyperior back!
Crisp Communist sent out Blastoise!
Donphan used Rapid Spin!
The foe's Blastoise lost 4% of its health!
Donphan blew away Stealth Rock!
The foe's Blastoise restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Start of turn 9
doodles called Donphan back!
doodles sent out Suicune!
Suicune is exerting its Pressure!
The foe's Blastoise used Scald!
It's not very effective...
Suicune lost 33 HP! (8% of its health)
Suicune restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Start of turn 10
doodles called Suicune back!
doodles sent out Braviary!
Crisp Communist called Blastoise back!
Crisp Communist sent out Roserade!
Start of turn 11
Crisp Communist called Roserade back!
Crisp Communist sent out Rhyperior!
Braviary used U-turn!
The foe's Rhyperior lost 15% of its health!
doodles called Braviary back!
doodles sent out Donphan!
The foe's Rhyperior restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Start of turn 12
Crisp Communist called Rhyperior back!
Crisp Communist sent out Blastoise!
Donphan used Earthquake!
The foe's Blastoise lost 33% of its health!
The foe's Blastoise restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Start of turn 13
doodles called Donphan back!
doodles sent out Umbreon!
The foe's Blastoise used Scald!
Umbreon lost 51 HP! (12% of its health)
The foe's Blastoise restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Umbreon restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Start of turn 14
Crisp Communist called Blastoise back!
Crisp Communist sent out Roserade!
Umbreon used Wish!
Umbreon restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Start of turn 15
doodles called Umbreon back!
doodles sent out Bikutini! (Victini)
The foe's Roserade used Sleep Powder!
Bikutini fell asleep!
Umbreon's wish came true!
Start of turn 16
doodles called Bikutini back!
doodles sent out Braviary!
The foe's Roserade used Toxic Spikes!
Poison spikes were scattered all around the feet of doodles's team!
Start of turn 17
Crisp Communist called Roserade back!
Crisp Communist sent out Rhyperior!
Braviary used Brave Bird!
It's not very effective...
The foe's Rhyperior lost 17% of its health!
Braviary is hit with recoil!
The foe's Rhyperior restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Start of turn 18
doodles called Braviary back!
doodles sent out Donphan!
Donphan was poisoned!
The foe's Rhyperior used Earthquake!
Donphan lost 157 HP! (40% of its health)
Donphan restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Donphan is hurt by poison!
The foe's Rhyperior restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Start of turn 19
Donphan used Earthquake!
It's super effective!
The foe's Rhyperior lost 53% of its health!
The foe's Rhyperior used Earthquake!
Donphan lost 141 HP! (36% of its health)
Donphan restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Donphan is hurt by poison!
The foe's Rhyperior restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Start of turn 20
Crisp Communist called Rhyperior back!
Crisp Communist sent out Rotom-C!
Donphan used Stealth Rock!
Pointed stones float in the air around Crisp Communist's team!
Donphan restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Donphan is hurt by poison!
Start of turn 21
Crisp Communist called Rotom-C back!
Crisp Communist sent out Blastoise!
Pointed stones dug into the foe's Blastoise!
Donphan used Rapid Spin!
The foe's Blastoise lost 5% of its health!
Donphan blew away Toxic Spikes!
The foe's Blastoise restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Donphan restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Donphan is hurt by poison!
Donphan fainted!
doodles sent out Shiftry!
Start of turn 22
Shiftry used Seed Bomb!
It's super effective!
The foe's Blastoise lost 61% of its health!
Shiftry is hurt by its Life Orb!
The foe's Blastoise used Ice Beam!
It's super effective!
Shiftry lost 188 HP! (54% of its health)
The foe's Blastoise restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Start of turn 23
Crisp Communist called Blastoise back!
Crisp Communist sent out Rotom-C!
Pointed stones dug into the foe's Rotom-C!
Shiftry used Seed Bomb!
It's not very effective...
The foe's Rotom-C lost 35% of its health!
Shiftry is hurt by its Life Orb!
Start of turn 24
Shiftry used Sucker Punch!
The foe's Rotom-C lost 52% of its health!
The foe's Rotom-C fainted!
Shiftry is hurt by its Life Orb!
Crisp Communist sent out Hitmontop!
Pointed stones dug into the foe's Hitmontop!
Start of turn 25
doodles called Shiftry back!
doodles sent out Suicune!
Suicune is exerting its Pressure!
The foe's Hitmontop used Fake Out!
Suicune lost 40 HP! (9% of its health)
Suicune restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's Hitmontop restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Start of turn 26
doodles called Suicune back!
doodles sent out Braviary!
Crisp Communist called Hitmontop back!
Crisp Communist sent out Azelf!
Pointed stones dug into the foe's Azelf!
Start of turn 27
Braviary used Brave Bird!
The foe's Azelf lost 87% of its health!
The foe's Azelf fainted!
Braviary is hit with recoil!
Crisp Communist sent out Rhyperior!
Pointed stones dug into the foe's Rhyperior!
Start of turn 28
Braviary used Brave Bird!
It's not very effective...
The foe's Rhyperior lost 10% of its health!
The foe's Rhyperior fainted!
Braviary is hit with recoil!
Crisp Communist sent out Hitmontop!
Pointed stones dug into the foe's Hitmontop!
Start of turn 29
doodles called Braviary back!
doodles sent out Shiftry!
The foe's Hitmontop used Fake Out!
Shiftry lost 37 HP! (10% of its health)
Shiftry fainted!
The foe's Hitmontop restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
doodles sent out Braviary!
Start of turn 30
Crisp Communist called Hitmontop back!
Crisp Communist sent out Blastoise!
Pointed stones dug into the foe's Blastoise!
The foe's Blastoise fainted!
Braviary used Brave Bird!
But there was no target...
Crisp Communist sent out Hitmontop!
Pointed stones dug into the foe's Hitmontop!
Start of turn 31
doodles called Braviary back!
doodles sent out Suicune!
Suicune is exerting its Pressure!
The foe's Hitmontop used Fake Out!
Suicune lost 45 HP! (11% of its health)
Suicune restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's Hitmontop restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Start of turn 32
Crisp Communist called Hitmontop back!
Crisp Communist sent out Roserade!
Pointed stones dug into the foe's Roserade!
Suicune used Calm Mind!
Suicune's Sp. Att. rose!
Suicune's Sp. Def. rose!
The foe's Roserade restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Suicune restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Start of turn 33
The foe's Roserade used Giga Drain!
It's super effective!
Suicune lost 120 HP! (29% of its health)
Suicune had its energy drained!
Suicune used Calm Mind!
Suicune's Sp. Att. rose!
Suicune's Sp. Def. rose!
Suicune restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Start of turn 34
The foe's Roserade used Giga Drain!
It's super effective!
Suicune lost 98 HP! (24% of its health)
Suicune had its energy drained!
Suicune used Scald!
It's not very effective...
The foe's Roserade lost 22% of its health!
The foe's Roserade restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Suicune restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Start of turn 35
The foe's Roserade used Sludge Bomb!
Suicune lost 58 HP! (14% of its health)
Suicune used Scald!
It's not very effective...
The foe's Roserade lost 21% of its health!
The foe's Roserade was burned!
The foe's Roserade restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's Roserade is hurt by its burn!
Suicune restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Start of turn 36
The foe's Roserade used Giga Drain!
It's super effective!
Suicune lost 102 HP! (25% of its health)
Suicune had its energy drained!
Suicune used Rest!
Suicune went to sleep and became healthy!
The foe's Roserade restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's Roserade is hurt by its burn!
Start of turn 37
Crisp Communist called Roserade back!
Crisp Communist sent out Hitmontop!
Pointed stones dug into the foe's Hitmontop!
Suicune is fast asleep!
The foe's Hitmontop restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Start of turn 38
Crisp Communist called Hitmontop back!
Crisp Communist sent out Roserade!
Pointed stones dug into the foe's Roserade!
Suicune is fast asleep!
The foe's Roserade restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Start of turn 39
The foe's Roserade used Giga Drain!
It's super effective!
Suicune lost 92 HP! (22% of its health)
Suicune had its energy drained!
Suicune woke up!
Suicune used Calm Mind!
Suicune's Sp. Att. rose!
Suicune's Sp. Def. rose!
The foe's Roserade restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Suicune restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Start of turn 40
The foe's Roserade used Giga Drain!
It's super effective!
Suicune lost 72 HP! (17% of its health)
Suicune had its energy drained!
Suicune used Scald!
It's not very effective...
The foe's Roserade lost 29% of its health!
The foe's Roserade was burned!
The foe's Roserade restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's Roserade is hurt by its burn!
Suicune restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Start of turn 41
The foe's Roserade used Giga Drain!
It's super effective!
Suicune lost 80 HP! (19% of its health)
Suicune had its energy drained!
Suicune used Scald!
It's not very effective...
The foe's Roserade lost 29% of its health!
The foe's Roserade restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's Roserade is hurt by its burn!
Suicune restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Start of turn 42
The foe's Roserade used Giga Drain!
It's super effective!
Suicune lost 78 HP! (19% of its health)
Suicune had its energy drained!
Suicune used Scald!
It's not very effective...
The foe's Roserade lost 25% of its health!
The foe's Roserade restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's Roserade is hurt by its burn!
Suicune restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Start of turn 43
The foe's Roserade used Giga Drain!
It's super effective!
Suicune lost 78 HP! (19% of its health)
Suicune had its energy drained!
Suicune used Scald!
It's not very effective...
The foe's Roserade lost 28% of its health!
The foe's Roserade fainted!
Suicune restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Crisp Communist sent out Hitmontop!
Pointed stones dug into the foe's Hitmontop!
Start of turn 44
The foe's Hitmontop used Fake Out!
Suicune lost 45 HP! (11% of its health)
Suicune flinched!
Suicune restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's Hitmontop restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Start of turn 45
Suicune used Scald!
The foe's Hitmontop lost 60% of its health!
The foe's Hitmontop was burned!
The foe's Hitmontop used Close Combat!
Suicune lost 60 HP! (14% of its health)
The foe's Hitmontop's Defense fell!
The foe's Hitmontop's Sp. Def. fell!
Suicune restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's Hitmontop restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's Hitmontop is hurt by its burn!
Tier: Standard UU
Variation: +23, -9
Rule: Rated
Rule: Sleep Clause
Rule: Species Clause
Rule: Wifi Battle
doodles sent out Bikutini! (Victini)
Crisp Communist sent out Rotom-C!
Start of turn 1
doodles called Bikutini back!
doodles sent out Donphan!
The foe's Rotom-C used Volt Switch!
It had no effect!
Start of turn 2
Crisp Communist called Rotom-C back!
Crisp Communist sent out Blastoise!
Donphan used Stealth Rock!
Pointed stones float in the air around Crisp Communist's team!
Start of turn 3
doodles called Donphan back!
doodles sent out Shiftry!
The foe's Blastoise used Rapid Spin!
Shiftry lost 17 HP! (4% of its health)
The foe's Blastoise blew away Stealth Rock!
Start of turn 4
Shiftry used Swords Dance!
Shiftry's Attack sharply rose!
The foe's Blastoise used Roar!
Umbreon was dragged out!
Start of turn 5
Crisp Communist called Blastoise back!
Crisp Communist sent out Roserade!
doodles called Umbreon back!
doodles sent out Bikutini! (Victini)
Start of turn 6
Crisp Communist called Roserade back!
Crisp Communist sent out Rhyperior!
Bikutini used Zen Headbutt!
The foe's Rhyperior lost 34% of its health!
The foe's Rhyperior restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Start of turn 7
doodles called Bikutini back!
doodles sent out Donphan!
The foe's Rhyperior used Stealth Rock!
Pointed stones float in the air around doodles's team!
The foe's Rhyperior restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Start of turn 8
Crisp Communist called Rhyperior back!
Crisp Communist sent out Blastoise!
Donphan used Rapid Spin!
The foe's Blastoise lost 4% of its health!
Donphan blew away Stealth Rock!
The foe's Blastoise restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Start of turn 9
doodles called Donphan back!
doodles sent out Suicune!
Suicune is exerting its Pressure!
The foe's Blastoise used Scald!
It's not very effective...
Suicune lost 33 HP! (8% of its health)
Suicune restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Start of turn 10
doodles called Suicune back!
doodles sent out Braviary!
Crisp Communist called Blastoise back!
Crisp Communist sent out Roserade!
Start of turn 11
Crisp Communist called Roserade back!
Crisp Communist sent out Rhyperior!
Braviary used U-turn!
The foe's Rhyperior lost 15% of its health!
doodles called Braviary back!
doodles sent out Donphan!
The foe's Rhyperior restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Start of turn 12
Crisp Communist called Rhyperior back!
Crisp Communist sent out Blastoise!
Donphan used Earthquake!
The foe's Blastoise lost 33% of its health!
The foe's Blastoise restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Start of turn 13
doodles called Donphan back!
doodles sent out Umbreon!
The foe's Blastoise used Scald!
Umbreon lost 51 HP! (12% of its health)
The foe's Blastoise restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Umbreon restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Start of turn 14
Crisp Communist called Blastoise back!
Crisp Communist sent out Roserade!
Umbreon used Wish!
Umbreon restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Start of turn 15
doodles called Umbreon back!
doodles sent out Bikutini! (Victini)
The foe's Roserade used Sleep Powder!
Bikutini fell asleep!
Umbreon's wish came true!
Start of turn 16
doodles called Bikutini back!
doodles sent out Braviary!
The foe's Roserade used Toxic Spikes!
Poison spikes were scattered all around the feet of doodles's team!
Start of turn 17
Crisp Communist called Roserade back!
Crisp Communist sent out Rhyperior!
Braviary used Brave Bird!
It's not very effective...
The foe's Rhyperior lost 17% of its health!
Braviary is hit with recoil!
The foe's Rhyperior restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Start of turn 18
doodles called Braviary back!
doodles sent out Donphan!
Donphan was poisoned!
The foe's Rhyperior used Earthquake!
Donphan lost 157 HP! (40% of its health)
Donphan restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Donphan is hurt by poison!
The foe's Rhyperior restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Start of turn 19
Donphan used Earthquake!
It's super effective!
The foe's Rhyperior lost 53% of its health!
The foe's Rhyperior used Earthquake!
Donphan lost 141 HP! (36% of its health)
Donphan restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Donphan is hurt by poison!
The foe's Rhyperior restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Start of turn 20
Crisp Communist called Rhyperior back!
Crisp Communist sent out Rotom-C!
Donphan used Stealth Rock!
Pointed stones float in the air around Crisp Communist's team!
Donphan restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Donphan is hurt by poison!
Start of turn 21
Crisp Communist called Rotom-C back!
Crisp Communist sent out Blastoise!
Pointed stones dug into the foe's Blastoise!
Donphan used Rapid Spin!
The foe's Blastoise lost 5% of its health!
Donphan blew away Toxic Spikes!
The foe's Blastoise restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Donphan restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Donphan is hurt by poison!
Donphan fainted!
doodles sent out Shiftry!
Start of turn 22
Shiftry used Seed Bomb!
It's super effective!
The foe's Blastoise lost 61% of its health!
Shiftry is hurt by its Life Orb!
The foe's Blastoise used Ice Beam!
It's super effective!
Shiftry lost 188 HP! (54% of its health)
The foe's Blastoise restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Start of turn 23
Crisp Communist called Blastoise back!
Crisp Communist sent out Rotom-C!
Pointed stones dug into the foe's Rotom-C!
Shiftry used Seed Bomb!
It's not very effective...
The foe's Rotom-C lost 35% of its health!
Shiftry is hurt by its Life Orb!
Start of turn 24
Shiftry used Sucker Punch!
The foe's Rotom-C lost 52% of its health!
The foe's Rotom-C fainted!
Shiftry is hurt by its Life Orb!
Crisp Communist sent out Hitmontop!
Pointed stones dug into the foe's Hitmontop!
Start of turn 25
doodles called Shiftry back!
doodles sent out Suicune!
Suicune is exerting its Pressure!
The foe's Hitmontop used Fake Out!
Suicune lost 40 HP! (9% of its health)
Suicune restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's Hitmontop restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Start of turn 26
doodles called Suicune back!
doodles sent out Braviary!
Crisp Communist called Hitmontop back!
Crisp Communist sent out Azelf!
Pointed stones dug into the foe's Azelf!
Start of turn 27
Braviary used Brave Bird!
The foe's Azelf lost 87% of its health!
The foe's Azelf fainted!
Braviary is hit with recoil!
Crisp Communist sent out Rhyperior!
Pointed stones dug into the foe's Rhyperior!
Start of turn 28
Braviary used Brave Bird!
It's not very effective...
The foe's Rhyperior lost 10% of its health!
The foe's Rhyperior fainted!
Braviary is hit with recoil!
Crisp Communist sent out Hitmontop!
Pointed stones dug into the foe's Hitmontop!
Start of turn 29
doodles called Braviary back!
doodles sent out Shiftry!
The foe's Hitmontop used Fake Out!
Shiftry lost 37 HP! (10% of its health)
Shiftry fainted!
The foe's Hitmontop restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
doodles sent out Braviary!
Start of turn 30
Crisp Communist called Hitmontop back!
Crisp Communist sent out Blastoise!
Pointed stones dug into the foe's Blastoise!
The foe's Blastoise fainted!
Braviary used Brave Bird!
But there was no target...
Crisp Communist sent out Hitmontop!
Pointed stones dug into the foe's Hitmontop!
Start of turn 31
doodles called Braviary back!
doodles sent out Suicune!
Suicune is exerting its Pressure!
The foe's Hitmontop used Fake Out!
Suicune lost 45 HP! (11% of its health)
Suicune restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's Hitmontop restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Start of turn 32
Crisp Communist called Hitmontop back!
Crisp Communist sent out Roserade!
Pointed stones dug into the foe's Roserade!
Suicune used Calm Mind!
Suicune's Sp. Att. rose!
Suicune's Sp. Def. rose!
The foe's Roserade restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Suicune restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Start of turn 33
The foe's Roserade used Giga Drain!
It's super effective!
Suicune lost 120 HP! (29% of its health)
Suicune had its energy drained!
Suicune used Calm Mind!
Suicune's Sp. Att. rose!
Suicune's Sp. Def. rose!
Suicune restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Start of turn 34
The foe's Roserade used Giga Drain!
It's super effective!
Suicune lost 98 HP! (24% of its health)
Suicune had its energy drained!
Suicune used Scald!
It's not very effective...
The foe's Roserade lost 22% of its health!
The foe's Roserade restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Suicune restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Start of turn 35
The foe's Roserade used Sludge Bomb!
Suicune lost 58 HP! (14% of its health)
Suicune used Scald!
It's not very effective...
The foe's Roserade lost 21% of its health!
The foe's Roserade was burned!
The foe's Roserade restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's Roserade is hurt by its burn!
Suicune restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Start of turn 36
The foe's Roserade used Giga Drain!
It's super effective!
Suicune lost 102 HP! (25% of its health)
Suicune had its energy drained!
Suicune used Rest!
Suicune went to sleep and became healthy!
The foe's Roserade restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's Roserade is hurt by its burn!
Start of turn 37
Crisp Communist called Roserade back!
Crisp Communist sent out Hitmontop!
Pointed stones dug into the foe's Hitmontop!
Suicune is fast asleep!
The foe's Hitmontop restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Start of turn 38
Crisp Communist called Hitmontop back!
Crisp Communist sent out Roserade!
Pointed stones dug into the foe's Roserade!
Suicune is fast asleep!
The foe's Roserade restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Start of turn 39
The foe's Roserade used Giga Drain!
It's super effective!
Suicune lost 92 HP! (22% of its health)
Suicune had its energy drained!
Suicune woke up!
Suicune used Calm Mind!
Suicune's Sp. Att. rose!
Suicune's Sp. Def. rose!
The foe's Roserade restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Suicune restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Start of turn 40
The foe's Roserade used Giga Drain!
It's super effective!
Suicune lost 72 HP! (17% of its health)
Suicune had its energy drained!
Suicune used Scald!
It's not very effective...
The foe's Roserade lost 29% of its health!
The foe's Roserade was burned!
The foe's Roserade restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's Roserade is hurt by its burn!
Suicune restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Start of turn 41
The foe's Roserade used Giga Drain!
It's super effective!
Suicune lost 80 HP! (19% of its health)
Suicune had its energy drained!
Suicune used Scald!
It's not very effective...
The foe's Roserade lost 29% of its health!
The foe's Roserade restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's Roserade is hurt by its burn!
Suicune restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Start of turn 42
The foe's Roserade used Giga Drain!
It's super effective!
Suicune lost 78 HP! (19% of its health)
Suicune had its energy drained!
Suicune used Scald!
It's not very effective...
The foe's Roserade lost 25% of its health!
The foe's Roserade restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's Roserade is hurt by its burn!
Suicune restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Start of turn 43
The foe's Roserade used Giga Drain!
It's super effective!
Suicune lost 78 HP! (19% of its health)
Suicune had its energy drained!
Suicune used Scald!
It's not very effective...
The foe's Roserade lost 28% of its health!
The foe's Roserade fainted!
Suicune restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Crisp Communist sent out Hitmontop!
Pointed stones dug into the foe's Hitmontop!
Start of turn 44
The foe's Hitmontop used Fake Out!
Suicune lost 45 HP! (11% of its health)
Suicune flinched!
Suicune restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's Hitmontop restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Start of turn 45
Suicune used Scald!
The foe's Hitmontop lost 60% of its health!
The foe's Hitmontop was burned!
The foe's Hitmontop used Close Combat!
Suicune lost 60 HP! (14% of its health)
The foe's Hitmontop's Defense fell!
The foe's Hitmontop's Sp. Def. fell!
Suicune restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's Hitmontop restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's Hitmontop is hurt by its burn!
Braviary runs up against Rhyperior a little bit, but U-turn comes in handy. Later on, he kills Azelf, finishes off Rhyperior, and remains capable of taking a Mach Punch and finishing off Hitmontop and Roserade. Swellow would be dead by the time all of that was done.
I have other logs where he plays less of a role but still does some impressive, not Swellow-esque things. For instance, tanking a lot of Grass attacks, surviving Roserade's Sludge Bomb, and LO Celebi Psychic plenty of room to spare, and surviving a Heracross Stone Edge by a slim margin to seal a win. It also can finish Rhyperior at around 60%, which isn't bad.
Overall the fact that it can outspeed almost any non-scarfer, has bulk to survive attacks, good coverage, and good (but not Staraptorian) power with BB makes it worth using at least for a scarf set.
I'd like to give an argument for ursaring - while it's true that any priority can spell disaster for our little teddy bear, mach punch is seen much less frequently in UU. After one +2 and TO, ursaring's facade will one shot anything that doesn't resist it. That kind of monstrous power thrown on good speed after quick feet brings enough merit to mention him as a powerhouse wall breaker. TO damage is only slightly worse than LO or flare blitz damage as well. He is simply too strong and too fast with too wide a movepool for NU.
hitmontop is among the top 5 in usage.
he has to poison himself for this speed, and with is bulk how will he get +2. any scarfer can easily revenge him, while things like cobalion just outspeed ursaring AFTER the toxic orb boost. he is just too slow, and with no resists or immunities it wont have time to set up.
while he might be too good for NU, he is not good enough for UU (ive tried for a little, not that good with hitmontop and scarf heracross on every team)
Aye how did I miss that... well regardless; hitmontop mach punching is as predictable as azumarill aquajetting on excadrill. Either way, I see your point. I'll make an effort to bring up some reasonable logs and if I find too much difficulty in this endeavor then I will accept defeat on the matter.
Ya Prem I was gonna make an argument but I ran into the same problems : \
However I would like to make an argument for Glaceon. Seeing as Hail is everywhere in UU this round 100% accurate STAB Blizzard coming off of base 130 SpA would be devastating. After all Glaceon made it's name in 4th Gen for the strongest Blizzard. While I can't reserve this as Magmortar and Druddigon are still in the Quality Control stage I still believe it deserves an analysis.
and who knows maybe if I got a couple more stamps :3....
I'm going to try to defend Shuckle again. With Hippopotas being UU, Shuckle can't have a better chance to boost its already massive Special Defence. Power Split, it's an amazing new move that the little guy gets. With Shuckle's abysmal Attack and Special Attack, it about halves the foe's stats and keeps the other half to itself and with proper entry hazard support (which Hippopotas provides), the opponent either switches out or starts attacking with half damage.
If it comes in at the right time, it can cause a lot of chaos. It's HP is bad and can only use Rest to heal itself? Well, Wish's new mechanics fix that and thanks to Alomomola's gargantuan HP, it can fully heal Shuckle with a single Wish. Shuckle does end up causing a lot of switches and with the large gallery of ghost types in UU, it can safely rely on them to block and finish off Rapid Spinners.
To boot, Shuckle is even capable of offence due to Defence Curl and STAB Rollout. Defence Curl boosts its Defence even higher and with a Power Split or more, Rollout can dish out quite a bit of damage. Adding to the switches causes by Power Split, you have teammates with Pursuit to finish them off.
Shuckle supports its team exceptionally well causing multiple switches. On its own with proper timing, it can wreck a load of havoc.
If it comes in at the right time, it can cause a lot of chaos. It's HP is bad and can only use Rest to heal itself? Well, Wish's new mechanics fix that and thanks to Alomomola's gargantuan HP, it can fully heal Shuckle with a single Wish. Shuckle does end up causing a lot of switches and with the large gallery of ghost types in UU, it can safely rely on them to block and finish off Rapid Spinners.
To boot, Shuckle is even capable of offence due to Defence Curl and STAB Rollout. Defence Curl boosts its Defence even higher and with a Power Split or more, Rollout can dish out quite a bit of damage. Adding to the switches causes by Power Split, you have teammates with Pursuit to finish them off.
Shuckle supports its team exceptionally well causing multiple switches. On its own with proper timing, it can wreck a load of havoc.
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