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(MC) Middle Cup Tier
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This tier sounds hella fun. I also like the tournament idea. I'd definitely join.
Chansey really can't do anything to Haunter can she? can't toxic it. and can't seismic toss it. So she's pretty much slowly getting stalled unless she runs an offensive set. Anyway, after reading this topic, I now know I need to readjust my team lol! For god's sake I'm running Pignite currently :p Anyway, what's everyone's opinions on Klang? after a few shift gears he can really wreck shit up with just steel / normal. Dusclops is scary however.
Also, does anybody have a list of all the pokemon you can use? Sorry if it's been posted earlier.
Also, does anybody have a list of all the pokemon you can use? Sorry if it's been posted earlier.
It can get it as Kling at LV 48 so it pretty much JUST gets Shift Gear :p but yea, Metang and especially Magneton would be problematic. Also, thank you very much can't believe I forgot >_>
Ah, I see it was a Gen 4 thing, may be worth trying to revive it then.
Power creep, I suppose. We have more offensive goodies to play with, all defence really got was Scolipede and Eviolite. Look at UU and even OU, both more offensive than they were. Now look to LC, which has gone from Hyper Offense + Gligar to a pretty good, balanced tier.
I wasn't saying "All hail Lord Chansey" I was saying "Chansey is a bloody good wall and even she gets beaten to a pulp."
As badass as the Gonster is, he's more of a tank than a wall, in my (albeit, limited) experience.
Also, without Eviolite, Pikachu can just Focus Punch it in the face. Do we have any sturdy fighting types in the tier? I can't help but feel he's a little TOO powerful. I haven't seen masses of him, but on paper is over powered.
Oh no, a hard counter!
Pikachu is not Arceus, he is Scizor. Bloody powerful, but still counterable.
Gabite here is Heatran, a pretty solid counter unless Pikachu runs something sub-optimal (HP Ice is Superpower) to deal with him on the prediction. And even then, he must run a Scarf to deal with him, whilst I switch to my Dusclops to tank Outrage, Will-o-Wisp back and leave you crippled.
Excellent question! Specs are a very good alternative (Or, in honesty, Toxic orb is a very good alternative to Specs) but since you need your move changing (Almost anything he'd want to run has something immune to it) an alternative is good. With Toxic Orb you switch in on something, it gets Poisoned by Synchronise, then you cripple and poison thier wall. 2 in 1! Also, you can't be paralyzed!
You don't wanna get T-Waved, but a Sub could block that. Yeah he's a pretty good counter, now you say it.
Monferno > Pignite :P
With Shift Gears, though, you lose a LOT of move pool. But yeah, a pretty solid poke on paper. One of the few steels we have :P
Here you go :) Note that I don't think anything exists yet for checking move compatabilities, though.
You can Volt Switch out of Magneton, as I'm sure you're setting up a Shift Gear first so you'll be faster. Or, you could just predict the switch.
To Moogle: I'm pretty sure Synchronize doesn't work like that..
moogleking, looking at its stats you can see that Porygon2 has some firepower, and wouldn't mind throwing a Tri Attack Pikachu's way while it tries (and fails) to Focus Punch. Also, the thing that has held Pikachu back in other tiers is its inability to do much of anything without a Light Orb. Most importantly, it can't boost its Speed outside of Agility. Choice Scarf users (Gabite, in MC among others) will always beat Pikachu because it's so frail. From what little I know of Little Cup, I'm pretty sure Pikachu is pretty rare and is not totally sweeping it. Mix it in with much stronger and faster mons in Middle Cup and it's not going to be the overhyped monster people thought and still think it is.
This is true, but no Klang wants to be scared of coming in and setting up due to the very presence of a Magneton on the opponents team. Metang on the other hand, is manageable.
do you wanna know why pikachu is rare in LC?
the same reason excadrill is rare in LC...
pikachu is Not In little cup.
hmmm How viable would this be? Kinda a seedot-line addict and I'm wondering how this might fare.
Nuzleaf @Focus Sash Adamant Early Bird
EV's 6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
~ Fake Out
~ Seed Bomb
~ Low Sweep
~ Explosion
Obviously, you won't be doing much to the defensivly bulky mons (Dusclops, P2, Metang) but a Fake Out can break sashes, and if you're faster you can seed bomb. slower, you low sweep. and then you can explode on the offensive mons. Obviously, it's nothing amazing but I've always wanted to use Nuzleaf in MC without him being... crap.
Watch for Monferno who has a faster fake out lol.
Nuzleaf @Focus Sash Adamant Early Bird
EV's 6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
~ Fake Out
~ Seed Bomb
~ Low Sweep
~ Explosion
Obviously, you won't be doing much to the defensivly bulky mons (Dusclops, P2, Metang) but a Fake Out can break sashes, and if you're faster you can seed bomb. slower, you low sweep. and then you can explode on the offensive mons. Obviously, it's nothing amazing but I've always wanted to use Nuzleaf in MC without him being... crap.
Watch for Monferno who has a faster fake out lol.
Do we want to organize a time for all of us to hop on PO and test out some teams, maybe get a mod to host a tournament?
What needs to happen is for Smogon to just create a tier for MC on the server. Monotype doesn't need it's own tier. It's fun and that's it. MC needs to become official like little brother LC is. It's a fairly balanced tier so we could just create it on the server and leave it like that, hardly any maintenance is needed.
I'm not going that far. MC doesn't need to be an official tier. If we raise popularity and get enough people playing it, then we can work on getting an official tier. As it is now, I haven't played a single match because I can't find anybody to battle with.
that's true, it doesn't need to be official. but it at least needs to be a tier option somewhere because it can be annoying having to ask people to play MC, and not even the PO server has an MC tier
I agree. I just built a MC team but I have no one to try it our against...
MC Priority Attack Breakdown:
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I started this last night, but I was only using Veekun and the way they sort things on there for middle evolutions left out a lot of priority users, so I cross referenced with Serebii and hopefully this is everyone.
It's just a quick reference list of what has priority in the tier. I mainly made it for myself, but I figured other people might have interest in it too. If I missed anything just let me know and I'll edit them in.
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Quick Attack:
Combusken, Electabuzz, Golbat, Grovyle, Luxio, Nuzleaf, Pidgeotto, Pikachu, Quilava, Staravia, Tranquill, Vibrava
Aqua Jet:
Croconaw, Dewott, Marill, Prinplup, Wartortle
Bullet Punch:
Machoke, Metang
Mach Punch:
Gurdurr, Magmar, Monferno
Shadow Sneak:
Dusclops, Kirlia
Sucker Punch:
Dusclops, Graveler, Haunter, Nidorino, Vigoroth, Weepinbell
Vacuum Wave:
Combusken, Machoke, Monferno, Poliwrath (All Gen 4 Move Tutor/Illegal with DW)
Ice Shard:
Piloswine, Vanillish
Combusken, Electabuzz, Golbat, Grovyle, Luxio, Nuzleaf, Pidgeotto, Pikachu, Quilava, Staravia, Tranquill, Vibrava
Aqua Jet:
Croconaw, Dewott, Marill, Prinplup, Wartortle
Bullet Punch:
Machoke, Metang
Mach Punch:
Gurdurr, Magmar, Monferno
Shadow Sneak:
Dusclops, Kirlia
Sucker Punch:
Dusclops, Graveler, Haunter, Nidorino, Vigoroth, Weepinbell
Vacuum Wave:
Combusken, Machoke, Monferno, Poliwrath (All Gen 4 Move Tutor/Illegal with DW)
Ice Shard:
Piloswine, Vanillish
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Feint:
Combusken, Electabuzz, Monferno, Pikachu
Extremespeed:
Dragonair
Combusken, Electabuzz, Monferno, Pikachu
Extremespeed:
Dragonair
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Fake Out:
Lombre, Monferno, Nuzleaf, Pikachu, Wartortle
Lombre, Monferno, Nuzleaf, Pikachu, Wartortle
I started this last night, but I was only using Veekun and the way they sort things on there for middle evolutions left out a lot of priority users, so I cross referenced with Serebii and hopefully this is everyone.
It's just a quick reference list of what has priority in the tier. I mainly made it for myself, but I figured other people might have interest in it too. If I missed anything just let me know and I'll edit them in.
Yes, they're the same thing.
ring target works on the user ie. if a Marowak holds a ring target, thunderbolt will hit it.
I know cause this happened to me in CC
I know cause this happened to me in CC
yea. That's why it's not hyped up to be "the ultimate item for rapid spinners" which it was in the beginning of the gen when we though it worked on the opposing pokemon
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