Are Gems consumed when the move misses, fails or is used by Mirror Move, Sleep Talk, Assist, Copycat, Me First or Metronome?
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B&W Research Thread
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Pokemon used move!
Move failed!
Pokemon used move!
The Gem raised the power of Move!
Move missed!
now, I'm not sure if I asked this already, but I've searched all over the place, and the info isn't anywhere, so here goes:
Is Victory star a Multiplicative or Additive Accuracy increase? Also is it true that if Victini is in your party, but not in battle, it boosts your allies moves accuracy?
Take this scenario: Victini is in the Party, and I have out a Mamoswine who uses Rock Slide - Is Mamoswine's Rock Slide going to have 90, 99, or 100% Accuracy? As an extenuation, would a Fire Blast (off a Nidoking, on the same team) have 85, 93.5, or 95% accuracy? Thanks a lot for the help, much appreciated...
Is Victory star a Multiplicative or Additive Accuracy increase? Also is it true that if Victini is in your party, but not in battle, it boosts your allies moves accuracy?
Take this scenario: Victini is in the Party, and I have out a Mamoswine who uses Rock Slide - Is Mamoswine's Rock Slide going to have 90, 99, or 100% Accuracy? As an extenuation, would a Fire Blast (off a Nidoking, on the same team) have 85, 93.5, or 95% accuracy? Thanks a lot for the help, much appreciated...
Nope.
That was a superb answer and a wrong one. You see, when the Pokémon that has a Sub up attacks, even the Sub animation fades and the actual Pokémon sprite attacks.
The actual Pokémon attacks, not its substitute, so obviously Static paralyzes and Flame Body burns. So the answer is yes, your Dragonite will get burned.
I'm supposing the same holds true for attacking a Poke with Effect Spore ability from behind a Sub?
Holds true for all contact abilities.
Conversely, if you attack a Pokemon with a contact ability while it has a Substitute up, its contact ability will not activate. (Yes, this is currently programmed incorrectly on PO, but will be fixed next update.)
Is this on PO or on the actual game?
Thorhammer:
Sprocket is correct, it happens in-game, I've tested that.
tomtom5858:
That's incorrect. A Gem will not be consumed if the attack is avoided by all of its targets.
Sprocket is correct, it happens in-game, I've tested that.
tomtom5858:
That's incorrect. A Gem will not be consumed if the attack is avoided by all of its targets.
Sprocket
P(n) = 1 - (1 - P(1))^n
Actual game.
Excaknight:
No, because Helping Hand is not a move that's affected by Snatch.
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Point taken.
No, because Helping Hand is not a move that's affected by Snatch.
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Point taken.
Well, this is... odd.
Some time back I had a strange instance where Sigilyph mirror moved a jump kick and missed. But it didn't take recoil damage. I figured it might have been something kooky with an emulator, but I figured it was worth looking into. I didn't get back to checking that out until just now, but in the end it resulted in this test:
Stantler uses Role Play to get Magic Guard.
Stantler uses Jump Kick on a ghost type.
Stantler misses, but DOESN'T crash/take half damage.
Long story short, Magic Guard prevents jump kick miss-recoil damage.
Same with Hi Jump Kick (I made a near-identical test with Hi Jump Kick Scrafty, but with skill swapping Magic Guard to it via a Skill Swap DW Abra). I have no idea if this is the case in gen 4.
Both the Stantler test and the Scrafty test were on my DS with a retail Black version. In double grass, that useful greenery.
Some time back I had a strange instance where Sigilyph mirror moved a jump kick and missed. But it didn't take recoil damage. I figured it might have been something kooky with an emulator, but I figured it was worth looking into. I didn't get back to checking that out until just now, but in the end it resulted in this test:
Stantler uses Role Play to get Magic Guard.
Stantler uses Jump Kick on a ghost type.
Stantler misses, but DOESN'T crash/take half damage.
Long story short, Magic Guard prevents jump kick miss-recoil damage.
Same with Hi Jump Kick (I made a near-identical test with Hi Jump Kick Scrafty, but with skill swapping Magic Guard to it via a Skill Swap DW Abra). I have no idea if this is the case in gen 4.
Both the Stantler test and the Scrafty test were on my DS with a retail Black version. In double grass, that useful greenery.
Regarding the Mummy ability...
1. When overwriting Slow Starts stat drops, does it activate before or after the damage is done?
2. Will Mummy still pass to a poke if it OHKO's the Mummified 'mon
Edit: Thanks poccil
1. When overwriting Slow Starts stat drops, does it activate before or after the damage is done?
2. Will Mummy still pass to a poke if it OHKO's the Mummified 'mon
Edit: Thanks poccil
RevolverKnight:
1. Mummy is applied after damage is dealt: Slow Start's Attack reduction will already have been applied when calculating the damage dealt.
2. If I understand correctly, the answer is: Mummy will still change the attacker's Ability even if the bearer of Mummy faints from the attack.
1. Mummy is applied after damage is dealt: Slow Start's Attack reduction will already have been applied when calculating the damage dealt.
2. If I understand correctly, the answer is: Mummy will still change the attacker's Ability even if the bearer of Mummy faints from the attack.
Are you sure it did it in 4th gen? By definition, Magic Guard does not prevent being poisoned even with Toxic Spikes.
I'm not sure if this belongs here because it's more related to in-game but...
I recently attempted to copy the move Memento onto a Smeargle with Sketch. I used the information from this guide, which is for 3rd and 4th gen:
http://www.smogon.com/ingame/guides/how_to_sketch
I tried to use the Taunt method in Pokemon Black. However, it didn't seem to work.
To do this, I sent out a level 100 Emolga with Taunt and a level 41 Chandelure with Memento in a double battle against a Patrat and a Pidove. I had Chandelure use Memento on Patrat and Emolga use Taunt on Chandelure. The taunt successfully blocked Memento. The next turn, I swapped out Emolga for a level 31 Smeargle with Sketch, while using a Potion on Chandelure. The turn after that, I used another Potion on Chandelure and had Smeargle use Sketch on Chandelure. According to the guide, this should have been successful. However, it failed.
Unless I did something wrong (if I did I apologise), the taunt method for copying Memento with Sketch no longer works in 5th gen.
I did eventually successfully sketch Memento using this method (this could be see as a variant of the 'no target' method from the article above):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eg2PAi_nyE
So the 'no target' method probably still works in 5th gen (though I didn't test the no target method from the article).
P.S. Sorry if this is known and/or irrelevent. I did a search and didn't find anything in this thread.
I recently attempted to copy the move Memento onto a Smeargle with Sketch. I used the information from this guide, which is for 3rd and 4th gen:
http://www.smogon.com/ingame/guides/how_to_sketch
I tried to use the Taunt method in Pokemon Black. However, it didn't seem to work.
To do this, I sent out a level 100 Emolga with Taunt and a level 41 Chandelure with Memento in a double battle against a Patrat and a Pidove. I had Chandelure use Memento on Patrat and Emolga use Taunt on Chandelure. The taunt successfully blocked Memento. The next turn, I swapped out Emolga for a level 31 Smeargle with Sketch, while using a Potion on Chandelure. The turn after that, I used another Potion on Chandelure and had Smeargle use Sketch on Chandelure. According to the guide, this should have been successful. However, it failed.
Unless I did something wrong (if I did I apologise), the taunt method for copying Memento with Sketch no longer works in 5th gen.
I did eventually successfully sketch Memento using this method (this could be see as a variant of the 'no target' method from the article above):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eg2PAi_nyE
So the 'no target' method probably still works in 5th gen (though I didn't test the no target method from the article).
P.S. Sorry if this is known and/or irrelevent. I did a search and didn't find anything in this thread.
I think that's what he meant in the second question, and yes, that is what would happen in that case. Anyway, I've changed the description of Mummy in the OP as it was a bit misleading, and also further elaborated on how it works. Should be good now.
Yes. It basically just prevents the user from taking damage from the poison, but if you try bouncing it back―as OmegaDonut did in his test―the other party will start receiving damage from poison the next turn.
