VGC '12 Italy National - Milan - April 1st - WON BY --Kasty--!

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How is possible, of 600+ choices only an handful 10/15 are used in the metagame?! Mirror matches were the commonplace, and when you have nearly the same skill and use the same pokemon, only luck determines the "best" players to get a full paid trip to Hawaii. So why shouldn't we do a lottery? I pick a card, you pick a card, if you get the correct one you win ;)
Mirror matches are the commonplace, but in the end who reached the finals were the players who had the better team and that used it better. It's known that the Spanish guys love to use standard stuff, but the also have considerable talent and attention to gameplay...i think that all the guys who ranked Top4 deserved this result...i watched the battles and all of them played well.


This is what happens when nearly half of the players were foreigner. Bad players wouldn't do an european tour and the italian competitors at Milan weren't all top players. That wasn't a national italian tournament, that was an "european championship", we had a numeric disadvantage. Plus our top players got haxed to death barely before top 4, you shouldn't be disappointed.
If half of the players were foreigner, half of the Top4 should have been foreigner. That has not happened, then it means that the average level of Italian is lower than that of other European players. We don't travel across Europe to attend other events, and many people from south Italy didn't attend because Milan was too far...the real problem is that except for a few talented players, the rest of Italians don't give the right importance to the VGC, and unfortunately this is the consequence.
As for the hax I don't want to point the finger at anyone, or analyze individual episodes, but it's impossible that all Italians were eliminated for hax...impossible.
 
As for the hax I don't want to point the finger at anyone, or analyze individual episodes, but it's impossible that all Italians were eliminated for hax...impossible.
It's all but impossible, I got stopped (literally) from a freeze and 3 fully para in a row, shinycarletto the same with two miss, and as I heard even Hogan has been a bit unlucky. I don't really get the point in complaining about the level of Italians, or deny the presence of hax, there were some Italians in top16 that could have easily won being just a bit less unlucky.
 
What Matty's saying is that there were less good Italians playing than good players from other countries, and I agree with him cause it's the truth.

Though to be honest I think the Brits came off worst. Foodking got furthest out of all the Brits. Yeah.
 
That's for sure, I don't know what happened to the other Italians, but me and my friends in top16 (probably the best among the Italians participants) were just eliminated by hax, and there's no reason to deny that :|
 
That's for sure, I don't know what happened to the other Italians, but me and my friends in top16 (probably the best among the Italians participants) were just eliminated by hax, and there's no reason to deny that :|
The real problem is that we can't attend the Italian national with only 4/5 strong players and a lot of randoms
 

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Though to be honest I think the Brits came off worst. Foodking got furthest out of all the Brits. Yeah.
Right. I also got as far as Foodking, so watch it. Also, I dunno about that Euro warstory, perhaps, If I have time later but my matches are nothing to write home about really, that's for sure.

The event itself was so good, though I can't see myself going to Italy again, as it was just another one of the Euro free-for-alls. I can see these becoming a shade more popular every year.
 
we don't have to complain about hax, we have to complain about what we can change like for example the italians medium skill, we can change it by publicizing this metagame and train people who are less strong than us, we have to stop these stupid italian inside clan wars or the fear that a lot of italians have to spoiler their teams or strategyes to other italian players.
We can't afford a vgc national with only 6 good players in that metagame (me,chase,hogan,asuya,mr pokemon,umbreon91) so from this vgc we have learnt more than if we had won it, we have to be glad for this loss because now we know what we have to do for win it next year ^^
 
we don't have to complain about hax, we have to complain about what we can change like for example the italians medium skill, we can change it by publicizing this metagame and train people who are less strong than us, we have to stop these stupid italian inside clan wars or the fear that a lot of italians have to spoiler their teams or strategyes to other italian players.
We can't afford a vgc national with only 6 good players in that metagame (me,chase,hogan,asuya,mr pokemon,umbreon91) so from this vgc we have learnt more than if we had won it, we have to be glad for this loss because now we know what we have to do for win it next year ^^
Is exactly what I think too. From this point of view, other European countries are far ahead, especially Spain and Germany, which not coincidentally have eight and seven players qualified for worlds.
 
Matty first of all thank you for being so level headed about this situation, it is clear that certain players do not know how to speak with logic to explain their emotions and rather do vice versa.

I am not sure if I can say this but I spoke to a staff member from TPCi who was a really nice guy, he was very nice to give us some of his time to go over mine and Dozz's experiences about the euro tour in general and his thoughts in regards to the future of VGC, one clear point was that the Euro VGC Qualifiers will probably stay inclusive so for those of you who disagree that players who are passionate about pokémon who love the events should not attend other qualifiers then here is your answer.

I thought the "Team UK" post is supposed to be offensive, I mean I heard about some italians bullying foodking for being happy and cheering not because he wanted to upset Italians but simply because he loves Pokémon and does a great job in enjoying the game and the competition itself, I even had to ask him to calm down in Round 3 because he was just so excited to be in Round 3!

We spoke also about Swiss and Single Elimination and the difficulties between executing swiss in the time available and I am completely 100% behind Swiss because whilst I believe that all of Europe (including Slovakia! Hello Peterko!) represented themselves well, I believe that the UK would've had more spots at Worlds simply because the hax I have seen in battle recorders is just... well... I don't want any player to be disgusted with themselves if they won their matches vs a british player because I supported those players too as hax is part of the game but as Dozz pointed out this weekend, Swiss is more forgiving.

LOVED MEETING YOU ALL :)
 
This is the video of the match my little brother Nicola got with the German player (sorry but I don't remember the name) in top16, I suggest you see it beacuse it may have been the daily best fight!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=da1dES4R4l0#!
This match is absolutely brilliant, it's a shame Nicola's two predictions with Garchomp didn't work in his favor. I really wonder what would have happened if the game didn't end up going to time.
 
I am not sure if I can say this but I spoke to a staff member from TPCi who was a really nice guy, he was very nice to give us some of his time to go over mine and Dozz's experiences about the euro tour in general and his thoughts in regards to the future of VGC, one clear point was that the Euro VGC Qualifiers will probably stay inclusive so for those of you who disagree that players who are passionate about pokémon who love the events should not attend other qualifiers then here is your answer.
Open European events are probably one of the best things in VGC. Lot of people doesn't understand the social aspect of this tournament...in Paris and Milan I met old friends of the 2011 season and known new ones, that I can not wait to see again at worlds. Exclusive events would not give the chance to play to players of small nations, and would kill one of the main purposes of this game...meet new people and make new friends.

I thought the "Team UK" post is supposed to be offensive, I mean I heard about some italians bullying foodking for being happy and cheering not because he wanted to upset Italians but simply because he loves Pokémon and does a great job in enjoying the game and the competition itself, I even had to ask him to calm down in Round 3 because he was just so excited to be in Round 3!

I'm sorry about that...foodking is great, it's like seeing a child in an adult's body. UK players are really nice people, it was cool to know you, talk to Dozz, which I had not had occasion to know at worlds and meet again Zog after our memorable quarterfinals in San Diego. I'm really sorry that Min could not come in Milan, he was very nice to support me and my brothers in those european nationals.


We spoke also about Swiss and Single Elimination and the difficulties between executing swiss in the time available and I am completely 100% behind Swiss because whilst I believe that all of Europe (including Slovakia! Hello Peterko!) represented themselves well, I believe that the UK would've had more spots at Worlds simply because the hax I have seen in battle recorders is just... well... I don't want any player to be disgusted with themselves if they won their matches vs a british player because I supported those players too as hax is part of the game but as Dozz pointed out this weekend, Swiss is more forgiving.
Swiss rounds would be the best option, and two days events are not impossible to organize. It also helps the players to improve, because treats them in democratic and meritocratic way.
I start with the same chance to beat my opponent if I win, I can aspire to more and stronger players collide and experience, and if I lose, I learn from my mistakes and put them to good use in the following games, where will I find (theoretically) more players at my level. At the same time, the tournament encourages players to socialize, discuss and exchange of valuable knowledge.
 
This match is absolutely brilliant, it's a shame Nicola's two predictions with Garchomp didn't work in his favor. I really wonder what would have happened if the game didn't end up going to time.
The match was broadcast on TV and while they was fighting, Matty and me were saying ourselves what we would do if we were playing us and we would have done the exact same moves Nicola has done! Last year he took me to San Diego as his guardian, I promise that this year I will do everything I can to get a job and pay him a trip to the Hawaii!
(Sorry for my bad English, if you find some error is the fault of the translator of google!)
 
Hello!
My name is Manuel and this is my first post in this community :)
I come from Italy (Sardinia) and last Sunday I was for the first time at the Pokémon VGC Italian, I did not participate (delayed flight) but I made a reportage video (Thanks to the "All Access" badge). I wanted to make a general video of this event. It's been really exciting and fun! Good vision!

http://youtu.be/YxKFEjd_mKA

At short, all the videos of the complete fights in HD! Sorry for my bad english!
 
I don't agree with you: this was a european tournament as you said but you didn't only lose because of hax and the spaniards deserved the victory because they played better almost always (yes they haxed too but you can't hax 6 rounds in a row, statistics is against them).
Statistics were against fire blast missing and having explosion ch on both pokemon because of that miss, right? But it did happen. As I said, when you have nearly the same skill and the same team, only luck declares the winner. In 2010 at Madrid we were 3 italians against 200/250 spanish, my top 8 battle was decided by a speed tie, a coin flip. My opponent won the tournament. Was he more worthy than me? Was he the most skilled player in the tournament? We can't know it for sure.


And don't say things like "this game is wrong" because this IS Pokèmon and hax is a big part of the game, nobody wants to lose a full paid trip to Hawaii because of things like 5 fully pars or two freezes, but missing a 90% accuracy move once every two or three rounds just happens and this is very likely to happen.
Fix'd. The problem is not "hax is part of the game" but "hax IS the game". I can choose between a 100% accuracy move or an 85% one, but I can't choose which pokemon of the same speed will move first in a mirror match. Sometime there isn't even a choice (think about rock moves). If you're doing a serious tournament with a rich prize, you can't throw all out of the window because some remote probability have occured. If I wanted to gamble I would have gone to a casino or bought a lottery ticket. This is why I'm saying "this game is wrong" (if you prefer "this tournament is wrong").

I thought the "Team UK" post is supposed to be offensive, I mean I heard about some italians bullying foodking for being happy and cheering not because he wanted to upset Italians but simply because he loves Pokémon and does a great job in enjoying the game and the competition itself, I even had to ask him to calm down in Round 3 because he was just so excited to be in Round 3!
Team UK was not meant to be offensive, we joined foodking's excitement and not for make fun of him.

P.S: I'm not angry for my loss or something like that, but I would like to partecipate a fair tournament and lose to someone definitely better than me and not because I get tails on a coinflip.
 
P.S: I'm not angry for my loss or something like that, but I would like to partecipate a fair tournament and lose to someone definitely better than me and not because I get tails on a coinflip.
Then maybe you should design your team such that you don't have to worry about many speed ties, or you could just go play in a chess tournament. I don't think you have a right to complain about the game involving a lot of luck when you knew that going into it. Also, I think you are exaggerating the importance of luck in Pokemon: it surely plays a significant role (nobody could win against 10 flinches, for example), but it is no coincidence that you see a lot of the same people at the top year after year.
 
hello smogoners,

I am Billa from Germany and made top8 in Italy. I will write a warstory in a few days, but I want to know if Hogan save our Top16 match. I could beat him with lucario and poliwrath. I played a nonstandard team and i am looking for this match to put it in the warstory.

btw it was my brother playing against nico Gini in Top16 Seniors. I will calculate the % as soon as somebody upload the View of my brother.
I am soooooooo glad to put rest > Helping hand.
 
hello smogoners,
btw it was my brother playing against nico Gini in Top16 Seniors. I will calculate the % as soon as somebody upload the View of my brother.
I am soooooooo glad to put rest > Helping hand.
Ahah yeah!! Great match =)
Congrats again! You will be your brother's guardian at worlds?
 
Nõ I will be the guardian of my little sister who made 2nd in Germany : p
my father will be his guardian.

ps: I know it doesn't matter, I just want let you know, that there is new pokemon-family ;)
 
Nõ I will be the guardian of my little sister who made 2nd in Germany : p
my father will be his guardian.

ps: I know it doesn't matter, I just want let you know, that there is new pokemon-family ;)
Wow...congrats again!
See you there!
 
Nõ I will be the guardian of my little sister who made 2nd in Germany : p
my father will be his guardian.

ps: I know it doesn't matter, I just want let you know, that there is new pokemon-family ;)
Congrats,once again !
Guess will be funny to see our Dads playing LCQ XD
 
I lost in R1 vs MewMisaki :(

Billas bro vs Nicola was one of the best matches i've ever seen, billas bro uses rest with cresselia in the last turn before timeout LOL :pimp:

btw: italian staffmembers>german staffmembers :3
 
I lost in R1 vs MewMisaki :(

Billas bro vs Nicola was one of the best matches i've ever seen, billas bro uses rest with cresselia in the last turn before timeout LOL :pimp:

btw: italian staffmembers>german staffmembers :3
He also considered using taunt on cresselia in the last turn...but lol it was really too risky
 
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