Gen V Balanced Hackmons

[Cyberspeed]

1:I would be interested,
2:How is your Drizzle team going to counter Taunt ShellSmash Shed?
3:I will post a pokemon that counters soon

Heatran@Balloon
Shadow Tag +Def -Atk

Quiver Dance
Recover
Magnet Rise
Stored Power

Come in, Magnet Rise,Quiver dance away and sweep.
Negatives:Imposter bait.

By Smogons calcs (which I think are correct)
Extremespeed does 35.2% - 41.7%
Shadow Claw(which should be replaced with Crunch btw) does 20.7% - 24.4%
Shadow Sneak does 11.9% - 14%.

 

[Skyshayde]

1:I would be interested,
2:How is your Drizzle team going to counter Taunt ShellSmash Shed?
3:I will post a pokemon that counters soon

Heatran@Balloon
Shadow Tag +Def -Atk

Quiver Dance
Recover
Magnet Rise
Stored Power

Come in, Magnet Rise,Quiver dance away and sweep.
Negatives:Imposter bait.

By Smogons calcs (which I think are correct)
Extremespeed does 35.2% - 41.7%
Shadow Claw(which should be replaced with Crunch btw) does 20.7% - 24.4%
Shadow Sneak does 11.9% - 14%.

My drizzle team has a Mold Breaker Giratina with Pursuit

Nothing Shedinja can do can OHKO, and it cant switch out

Edit:

Nice Gengar set

Gengar @ Focus Sash
Nature:Jolly
Ability:Normalize
-Skill Swap
-Mean Look
-Shell Smash
-Baton Pass

If gengar is faster, Mean Look, then Skill Swap next turn

If slower, Skill Swap, and Mean Look

Immune to all attacks from them because of normalize

Shell Smash 3 times, either sweep or baton pass

 

[Codraroll]

Question: Could stalling with any sort of Baton Passed defenses (Simple Cosmic Power, or just a couple of plain good ol' Iron Defence) work with Shell Armor? Slap a SubSeed set on something like Deoxys-D and wall everything to hell and back, immune to Critical Hits and with defenses that eat Outrages and Water Spouts for breakfast.

You'd still be eaten alive by Punishment, though. But then again... Punishment.

 

[Cyberspeed]

Interesting.
I might give it a go, as Im currently making a second team.

 

[Codraroll]

I also think Seismic Toss/Night Shade could be an idea. That way, you can dish it out too, similar to Blissey, but with titanic defences to hold your ground. Seismic Toss has 5 more PP than Night Shade, but is resisted by a much more common type.

 

[Skyshayde]

Interesting.
I might give it a go, as Im currently making a second team.

lolsecond

i'm on like 23rd

 

[Cyberspeed]

Lol@23
Ive made a Prankster/Imposter Lure with Punishment


Darmanitan @
Trait: Contrary
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 SDef / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature
- V-create
- Superpower
- Punishment
-

I currently have a spare move/item slot.
What should it be filled with?

 

[Skyshayde]

Lol@23
Ive made a Prankster/Imposter Lure with Punishment


Darmanitan @
Trait: Contrary
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 SDef / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature
- V-create
- Superpower
- Punishment
-

I currently have a spare move/item slot.
What should it be filled with?

Close Combat?


Also,

Slaking @ Lum Berry
Trait: Magic Bounce
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 SDef / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature
- Fake Out
- Crunch
- Hi Jump Kick
- ExtremeSpeed

No one expects Magic Bounce

Giratina @ Lum Berry
Trait: Normalize
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 SDef / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature
- Skill Swap
- Mean Look
- Recover
- Pursuit

Nice Giratina set

Also, Baton Pass team

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Gengar @ Focus Sash
Trait: Normalize
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 SDef / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature
- Skill Swap
- Shell Smash
- Mean Look
- Protect

Giratina @ Lum Berry
Trait: Shadow Tag
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 SDef / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature
- Agility
- Belly Drum
- Baton Pass
- Cosmic Power

Giratina @ Lum Berry
Trait: Shadow Tag
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 SDef / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature
- Double Team
- Baton Pass
- Belly Drum
- Agility

Slaking @ Life Orb
Trait: Pure Power
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 SDef / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature
- ExtremeSpeed
- Shadow Claw
- Shadow Sneak
- Earthquake

Reshiram @ Life Orb
Trait: Contrary
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 SDef / 252 Spd
Timid Nature
- Draco Meteor
- Leaf Storm
- Overheat
- Psycho Boost

Shedinja @ Lum Berry
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 SDef / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature
- Endeavor
- Ice Shard
- Protect
- Magic Coat

 

[Cyberspeed]

I have V Create to buff Defenses.
I would rather Superpower to buff Atk.
Also @ your BP team,your lead has no Baton Pass...

Edit:
Item Slot is Lum.

 

[Skyshayde]

I have V Create to buff Defenses.
I would rather Superpower to buff Atk.
Also @ your BP team,your lead has no Baton Pass...

Edit:
Item Slot is Lum.

Doesn't need baton Pass

Shell Smash is just there,

 

[Cyberspeed]

Why Shell Smash over other moves?

 

[Skyshayde]

Why Shell Smash over other moves?

Because it used to be a different set, I had nothing better for it to use, and I didn't change it

 

[tednugent1]

Anyone have any suggestions/experience with sun teams? so far I have Pure Power Darmanitan, Contrary Ho-Oh, and contrary Reshiram but I'm wondering what to do about Imposter blissey and how to reliably keep hazards off the field.

 

[Skyshayde]

Anyone have any suggestions/experience with sun teams? so far I have Pure Power Darmanitan, Contrary Ho-Oh, and contrary Reshiram but I'm wondering what to do about Imposter blissey and how to reliably keep hazards off the field.

Switch Darmanitan for slaking

Slaking @ Life Orb
Trait:Pure Power
Nature: Jolly
-Extremespeed
-Hi Jump Kick/Close Combat
-Crunch
-Fake Out

 

[akela]

People seem to expect Sturdy Shedinja or Wonder Guard Shedinja. Knowing this, why not attack in a meta sense? By this, I mean Shedinja that is not Sturdy or Wonder Guard. Seems to infuriate people when their strategy for beating Wonderninja and Sturdyninja does not work. Magic Guard Shedinja is fun for that.

 

[theBEEZ KNEEZ]

yeah but you cant switch in magic guard shedinja on anything


also, why would you ever use wondeguard on shedinja??

 

[Skyshayde]

It may be suprising, but it's not effective

 

[akela]

It may be suprising, but it's not effective

There are only 6 pokemon that are effective in BH. Dialga, Slaking, Blissey, Giratina, and 2 others that I never see because I am defeated before they are used.

Everything else banks on the opponent building a team to counter something they expect might occur and not having a back up for when it doesn't occur.

 

[Skyshayde]

There are only 6 pokemon that are effective in BH. Dialga, Slaking, Blissey, Giratina, and 2 others that I never see because I am defeated before they are used.

Everything else banks on the opponent building a team to counter something they expect might occur and not having a back up for when it doesn't occur.

There are other effective pokemon. Contrary Resh/Mewtwo. SimpleGlow Mewtwo. Sure they can't beat slaking, not much can. They can sweep most other parts of the team.

I don't expect sturdy shedinja, it's not effective. Mold Breaker, Hazards, Weather. Ghosts. Sure it is deadly if used correctly, it's still setup bait for ghosts. Send in a Shadow Tag ghost, setup, sweep the crap out of the team.

I have seen a Magic Guard Shedinja, it didn't work.

A sturdy shedinja, when used correctly, can sweep teams, however it has many counters.

 

[tednugent1]

The problem is slaking doesn't really have any "hard" counters.

Also, shadow tag shuckle with ingrain, aqua ring, bulldoze and acid spray is stupid and annoying.

I'd additionally like to see a species clause.

 

[Cyberspeed]

Giratina was,before people stopped using Shadow Sneak and Started with Crunch.
Fast Ghost + Encore Coming in on an Espeed is Pretty sweet.

 

[akela]

Also, shadow tag shuckle with ingrain, aqua ring, bulldoze and acid spray is stupid and annoying.

>.>
<.<
*Slowly backs out of thread*

I'd additionally like to see a species clause.

Outside of Dual Giratina, Slaking, and Blissey, there isn't much point to it.

 

[akela]

There are other effective pokemon. Contrary Resh/Mewtwo. SimpleGlow Mewtwo. Sure they can't beat slaking, not much can. They can sweep most other parts of the team.

I don't expect sturdy shedinja, it's not effective. Mold Breaker, Hazards, Weather. Ghosts. Sure it is deadly if used correctly, it's still setup bait for ghosts. Send in a Shadow Tag ghost, setup, sweep the crap out of the team.

When you see Shedinja, what do you expect its ability to be then if not sturdy?

 

[Skyshayde]

When you see Shedinja, what do you expect its ability to be then if not sturdy?

When I see Shedinja, idc what it's ability, my counter works for all shedinja's

Mold Breaker Pursuit gira

As well as if a shedinja doesn't take entry hazard damage, it's obviously not sturdy.

 

[The Immortal]

Pure Power & Huge Power have been banned.