I could, but I'm currently playing in the International Tour on WiFi, so I'll do it later. Ferrothorn is still ridiculous.BlankZero, you could really settle this with some more replays. :3
You're such an evil monkey.http://www.pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou8431968 Toxicroak vs Ferrothorn settled once and for all.
Standard nasty plot also wins! http://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-ou8432152
As does Bulk Up http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou8432311
Yeouch. Yeah, that's the kind of power Volcarona's packing. From Heat Wave. That last one is at +0, with a neutral nature, and with a spread move, which only deals 75 BP because of the spread cut. With no item. In the sodding rain.252SpAtk Fire Gem Swarm Volcarona (Neutral) Heat Wave vs 252HP/108SpDef Ferrothorn (Neutral): 229% - 270% (808 - 952 HP). Guaranteed OHKO.
252SpAtk Swarm Volcarona (Neutral) Heat Wave vs 252HP/108SpDef Ferrothorn (Neutral): 153% - 181% (540 - 640 HP). Guaranteed OHKO.
252SpAtk Fire Gem Swarm Volcarona (Neutral) Heat Wave in Rain vs 252HP/108SpDef Ferrothorn (Neutral): 115% - 136% (408 - 480 HP). Guaranteed OHKO.
252SpAtk Swarm Volcarona (Neutral) Heat Wave in Rain vs 252HP/108SpDef Ferrothorn (Neutral): 76% - 92% (268 - 324 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO.
I'm confused by the Keldeo running HP Fighting instead of Secret Sword.Game 2:
Rain vs Sun
http://www.pokemonshowdown.com/replay/smogondoubles8431377
Won this time due to realizing BlankZero's philosphy, battle wise. Ferrothron OHKO'd in the RAIN 2 weak. Had some pretty stupid moves, like rain dancing w/o protect turn 1 forgetting speed is calculated at the start of the turn.
Precaution against Ferrothorn. I don't want to rely on Focus Miss's accuracy, HP Fight usually gets the job done against it, and other things fight weak, and isn't a contact move which can realllly fuck you over sometimes. Only things I'd really want to nail with Secret over HP Fight are the blobs and Tyranitar, and Toxicroak can handle them both with extreme ease.I'm confused by the Keldeo running HP Fighting instead of Secret Sword.
...Secret Sword isn't a contact move.Precaution against Ferrothorn. I don't want to rely on Focus Miss's accuracy, HP Fight usually gets the job done against it, and other things fight weak, and isn't a contact move which can realllly fuck you over sometimes. Only things I'd really want to nail with Secret over HP Fight are the blobs and Tyranitar, and Toxicroak can handle them both with extreme ease.
Then you better fix it because it's a contact move on PS! right now. Actually suicided on a Ferrothorn as a result. Wasn't a fun surprise. It was like one of those surprises your neighbor's dog leaves on your lawn....Secret Sword isn't a contact move.
Did you typo "Sacred Sword" instead of "Secret Sword"? Secret Sword has always been a noncontact move in PS.Then you better fix it because it's a contact move on PS! right now. Actually suicided on a Ferrothorn as a result. Wasn't a fun surprise. It was like one of those surprises your neighbor's dog leaves on your lawn.
I was thinking this myself, I have been using entrainment with klutz audino and mimic shedinja. Pretty gimmicky but klutz renders leftovers useless, and shedinja with entrainment is...well....wonderous! (punpunpunpunpun)Okay this thread is really shit so lets discuss something interesting.
Skill Swap
Skill Swap will exchange the Abilities of the user and the target. Wonder Guard and Multiscale cannot be Skill Swapped. If the user switches out of battle after using this move, its original Ability will be restored.
Notable users: Cresselia, Blissey
Role Play
Role Play replaces the user's Ability with the target's Ability. Role Play cannot copy Wonder Guard or Multitype.
Notable users: Abomasnow, Mew, Latias, Thundurus, Landorus
Very cool abilities that open up a lot of new doors strategy-wise. Skill Swap has seen use in the past for gimmicky strategies with garbage Pokemon like Regigigas and Slaking, but I feel it has a ton of interesting uses that are waiting to be uncovered. Skill Swap has also seen some usage recently in the VGC metagame, with Wolfe Glick using a Skill Swap Cresselia + Heatran combination at 2012 Worlds and Huy Ha using a Skill Swap Serene Grace Blissey with Abomasnow and other Blizzard users.
Role Play is more widespread than Skill Swap and is learnt by, generally, more relevant Pokemon. However, it works a bit differently to Skill Swap, by copying the ability of the target instead of swapping abilities. As a result, its a bit less useful for setting up specific strategies like the ones listed above, but it ends up being very useful in a lot of match-ups. For example, you can clutch Role Play an Intimidate Landorus-T, Scrafty of Hitmontop to really mess-up your opponent, or Role Play a Swift Swim user against Rain to give you a very strong check to them. Role Play can also be used to reactive weathers by copying the weather ability from something like Tyranitar, Politoed or Abomasnow. I've started using Role Play as just a random 4th slot on some Pokemon as a pure clutch option in some select match-ups even though my team isn't built around the attack, as Skill Swap teams tend to be.
Although Skill Swap can do all this too, theres an added risk to it - if you are using Skill Swap its generally because the Pokemon using it has an excellent ability like Levitate (Cresselia), which has the chance of backfiring if you swap it to an opposing Pokemon. Swapping Cresselia's Levitate for Hitmontop's Intimidate, for example, could turn on you by allowing your opponent to freely throw around Earthquakes with less fear. However, despite this, Skill Swap can sometimes have a key role in removing the abilities from certain Pokemon, such as crippling bulky Thundurus-i by removing Prankster, and making Metagross Intimidate-susceptible by removing Clear Body.
So yeah, both very interesting support moves. Skill Swap is excellent at setting-up stuff like Levitate Heatran, but requires a lot of forward planning to pull-off more intricate strategies involving the opponents Pokemon. However, despite the higher risk and greater difficulty, the payouts are often huge. Role Play, however, isn't as great at setting up your own strategies as it is for just clutch moves in specific match-ups, and ends up being particularly effective against any teams utilising Swift Swim, Chlorophyll or Intimidate in particular, although for something like Bisharp, copying the likes of Landorus-T Levitate or Heatran Flash Fire can completely change the outcome of a game.
Thoughts? I feel both of these moves are still criminally underused given how important abilities are in Pokemon, especially in the fast paced doubles format.
Sorry bud, that strategy isn't going to work.Entrainment said:Description
Changes the target's ability to that of the user. Fails if the target actually has Multitype, Truant, or the same ability as the user. Pokemon protected by Magic Coat or the ability Magic Bounce are unaffected and instead use this move themselves.
This move fails if the user has any of the following abilities:
- Flower Gift
- Forecast
- Illusion
- Imposter
- Multitype
- Trace
- Wonder Guard
- Zen Mode
A really interesting idea and I like the Flower Gift combo with physical Ninetales, but I'm curious as to how you actually use it. Do you lead with this to set up sun turn 1? If so it seems like it gets screwed over by slower weather.I think I'd like to show an interesting pair I've been having pretty good success with
@ Choice Scarf
Trait: Drought
EVs: 4HP, 252Atk, 252Spe
Nature: Adamant (+Atk -SpAtk)
-Flare Blitz
-Zen Headbutt
-Quick Attack
-Return
Yes, it is a physical ninetales, you aren't going crazy. This thing alone doesn't have much purpose other than putting up sun, but when paired with it's partner, kills things like crazy!
@ Leftovers
Trait: Flower Gift
EVs: 252HP, 4SpAtk, 252SpDef
Nature: Calm (+SpDef -Atk)
-Giga Drain
-Protect
-Synthesis
-Aromatherapy
Cherrim! This little fella has so much awesomeness that just comes from flower gift. Ninetails Flare Blitz now hits just as strong as one from Darmanitan! Cherrim itself is surprisingly bulky on the special side and can stay alive for quite a while with Synthesis/Giga Drain+Protect allowing havoc to be wreaked!
These two offer a lot of surprise value and are very fun to use :P