Gen 5 The OU Viability Ranking thread

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Yeah I have to agree. The times I've used Scarf Jirachi, he's just been terribly weak. Non-STAB Base 75 moves coming off 299 attack is just pathetic. Scarf Jirachi is really only good for grabbing momentum, which is how you win matches Iron Head flinching (which is pretty fucking unreliable but can save a game in a pinch and make it a good move to spam), revenging Dragons (really only Dragonite , since Salamence speed ties Jirachi), and Scizor I suppose, if you carry Fire Punch. As well as being a hard check to Latios, Latias, Cloyster, Hydregion, Tyranitar, Alakazam, Espeon, Celebi, Blissey, Chansey, Jolteon and Reuniclus
All Jirachi does is grab momentum and kill the threats you need it too? Sounds like a good scarfer to me. The fact of that matter is that you can customize Scarf Jirachi to do whatever you want it to by chosing between Iron Head/U-Turn/Ice Punch/Fire Punch/Zen Headbutt/Trick/Healing Wish/Stealth Rock/Thunderpunch. Even if it fails, you can still flinch things to death. Honestly, Jirachi is probably the best Scarf user in the game right now after Keldeo. Some of the mons it checks do kinda suck, but they are OU, so you will see them.

Yeah, it's not Genesect, but considering Genesect is the best Scarfer in the ENTIRE game even if you count the Ubers, that's not too bad.
 

ElectivireRocks

Banned deucer.
I support Cloyster for B rank as well. I wrote an extensive argument a few pages back (here: http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4684720#post4684720) on how Cloyster is much harder to stop if you run Life Orb instead of White Herb (which is completely useless) and use Ice Shard to get past its usual checks like Scarf Latios.
Cloyster truly excels against sun teams as it can use the common Dugtrio as setup bait and from there it OHKOs every single common sun mon.
 
I support Cloyster for B rank as well. I wrote an extensive argument a few pages back (here: http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4684720#post4684720) on how Cloyster is much harder to stop if you run Life Orb instead of White Herb (which is completely useless) and use Ice Shard to get past its usual checks like Scarf Latios.
Cloyster truly excels against sun teams as it can use the common Dugtrio as setup bait and from there it OHKOs every single common sun mon.
Except Timid Venusaur (base 80) is faster than Cloyster (base 70) under the sun and OHKOs with Giga Drain. Actually, all Chlorophyll mons are faster; Lilligant and Sawsbuck don't even need a positive nature. You also can't set up on Dugtrio if it's already been taken down to it's Focus Sash because Reversal does 77-91% damage, a OHKO after SR. Not saying Cloyster isn't good against sun, but you are relying on your opponent to run Modest Venusaur (Timid isn't unheard of, it lets you beat ScarfLatios) as well as give you that set-up chance.
 
Except Timid Venusaur (base 80) is faster than Cloyster (base 70) under the sun and OHKOs with Giga Drain. Actually, all Chlorophyll mons are faster; Lilligant and Sawsbuck don't even need a positive nature. You also can't set up on Dugtrio if it's already been taken down to it's Focus Sash because Reversal does 77-91% damage, a OHKO after SR. Not saying Cloyster isn't good against sun, but you are relying on your opponent to run Modest Venusaur (Timid isn't unheard of, it lets you beat ScarfLatios) as well as give you that set-up chance.
That's why you run ice shard: kills those chlorophyll mons

And as far as i know, timid venus is standard
 

Lavos

Banned deucer.
Breloom does less than 50%

Sandaslash 1hkos with eq

C'mon bro
252+ Atk Life Orb Sandslash Earthquake vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Breloom: 117-138 (44.65 - 52.67%) -- 25% chance to 2HKO

252+ Atk Life Orb Technician Breloom Mach Punch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Sandslash: 130-153 (44.67 - 52.57%) -- 22.66% chance to 2HKO

252+ Atk Life Orb Technician Breloom Bullet Seed (3 hits) vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Sandslash: 477-570 (163.91 - 195.87%) -- guaranteed OHKO (2 hits is still a guaranteed OHKO)

yeah you're dead wrong on just about everything

"c'mon bro"
 

Gary

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Actually, alakazam can take ANY hit (bar multi-hit moves)

Dunno what you are talking about



Breloom does less than 50%

Sandaslash 1hkos with eq

C'mon bro
Just stop please. Can't you just agree with someone for once and admit your wrong? Jesus Christ. You're just embarrassing yourself at this point.
 
252+ Atk Life Orb Sandslash Earthquake vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Breloom: 117-138 (44.65 - 52.67%) -- 25% chance to 2HKO

252+ Atk Life Orb Technician Breloom Mach Punch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Sandslash: 130-153 (44.67 - 52.57%) -- 22.66% chance to 2HKO

252+ Atk Life Orb Technician Breloom Bullet Seed (3 hits) vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Sandslash: 477-570 (163.91 - 195.87%) -- guaranteed OHKO (2 hits is still a guaranteed OHKO)

yeah you're dead wrong on just about everything

"c'mon bro"
Obviously I meant once you are set up. Sandslash doesn't come in on loom. Loom comes in to revenge slash. (for this same reason, the bullet seed calc is useless)

Combine it with magnezone and all but a couple of its counters/checks are eliminated. Try it out first.


Also, Jinx => C rank

Rather than justify, here's some replays (courtesy of smogon's downtime) around the 1900 part of the ladder.
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou-20931570
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou-20932889
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou-20935582
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou-20940327
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou-20941800
edit: http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou-20966685
(These are all consecutive battles by the way)

I'll just keep adding more as they come

Pair it with gyarados and 90% of the time one will sweep
 

Gary

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I like how you got swept by a Sub Toxic Tentacruel in one of those replays XD Why in the world would you boost up to +6 on a Politoed that has Encore? That's WAYY to greedy if you ask me.

Anyways, Jynx is not a C-rank Pokemon, in the slightest. Just because it can heal back 12% of its health in the rain, doesn't make it that much more viable over something like SD Croak. With that moveset, Jynx has a whopping one attacking move. Now I can agree that Jynx can be quite a threat once anything that resists Ice Beam is gone, but having to rely on just one attacking move really hurts her opportunities to come in. Not only that, but she has absolutely terrible defense, weak to Bullet Punch and is still OHKOed by Jolly Mach Punch from Breloom, and she also HAS to setup a Substitute if she wants to survive. Honestly, everything else is self-explanatory. Weak to every form of hazards, requires a free switch-in and a free turn of setup, weak to common priority, Pursuit weak, outclassed by other rain sweepers in general, and it has all around poor coverage with just Ice Beam. A lot of Pokemon can sweep in OU if given the right circumstances, and Jynx is one of them. If she didn't have to rely so much on Lovely Kiss/Sub/Nasty Plot, then she'd be better, but because of her one move and her incredibly piss poor defenses, she's not the most amazing Pokemon at all. D-rank at best, but I wouldn't even go that far.
 
Anyways, Jynx is not a C-rank Pokemon, in the slightest. Just because it can heal back 12% of its health in the rain, doesn't make it that much more viable over something like SD Croak. With that moveset, Jynx has a whopping one attacking move. Now I can agree that Jynx can be quite a threat once anything that resists Ice Beam is gone, but having to rely on just one attacking move really hurts her opportunities to come in. Not only that, but she has absolutely terrible defense, weak to Bullet Punch and is still OHKOed by Jolly Mach Punch from Breloom, and she also HAS to setup a Substitute if she wants to survive. Honestly, everything else is self-explanatory. Weak to every form of hazards, requires a free switch-in and a free turn of setup, weak to common priority, Pursuit weak, outclassed by other rain sweepers in general, and it has all around poor coverage with just Ice Beam. A lot of Pokemon can sweep in OU if given the right circumstances, and Jynx is one of them. If she didn't have to rely so much on Lovely Kiss/Sub/Nasty Plot, then she'd be better, but because of her one move and her incredibly piss poor defenses, she's not the most amazing Pokemon at all. D-rank at best, but I wouldn't even go that far.
I don't understand. You point out all of these flaws, but from the many replays I posted from a higher end of the ladder it is perfectly clear that they are easy to overcome. I'm not posting theorymon (like you), I posted real battles where jinx performed fantastically.

Practice > Theory
(especially when said theory is completely contradictory to what is shown in practice)

she's not the most amazing Pokemon at all.
And lol what the fuck? That's why this is c-rank bro, not a.
 
conkeldurr should be B- rank for it's Sheer Force set alone btw

anyone who says otherwise well, i'll just leave this here

252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Cresselia: 23.19 - 27.47%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 252 HP / 148+ Def Cresselia: 24.77 - 29.5%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 252 HP / 136+ Def Cresselia: 25.22 - 29.95%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 252 HP / 224+ Def Mew: 29.2 - 34.65%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 252 HP / 188+ Def Mew: 30.44 - 36.13%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 0 HP / 252+ Def Wobbuffet: 30.9 - 36.66%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 28 HP / 232+ Def Wobbuffet: 31.25 - 36.93%
-1 252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Hitmontop: 31.9 - 37.5%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Reuniclus: 32.78 - 38.91%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 252 HP / 212+ Def Gothitelle: 36.33 - 42.73%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Quagsire: 38.83 - 46.44%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 248 HP / 8 Def Victini: 39.7 - 46.65%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Victini: 39.85 - 47.27%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 240 HP / 252 Def Volcarona: 44.74 - 52.83%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 192 HP / 64 Def Reuniclus: 45.96 - 54.27%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Sableye: 45.72 - 54.27%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Hitmontop: 46.71 - 55.59%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Victini: 47.21 - 55.71%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Mew: 47.07 - 55.84%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Espeon: 47.6 - 55.98%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mew: 47.21 - 56.01%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Conkeldurr: 48.3 - 57.48%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Tangrowth: 49.5 - 58.66%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Hippowdon: 49.52 - 58.8%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Fire Punch vs. 244 HP / 252+ Def Dry Skin Toxicroak: 51.08 - 60.32%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Suicune: 52.22 - 61.88%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 128 HP / 0 Def Conkeldurr: 52.21 - 62.14%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 120 HP / 0 Def Conkeldurr: 52.49 - 62.46%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Donphan: 53.38 - 63.54%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 172 HP / 0 Def Swampert: 54.94 - 65.1%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowbro: 55.32 - 65.22%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 252 HP / 84 Def Gastrodon: 55.16 - 65.25%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Chople Berry Heatran: 56.48 - 66.66%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 224 HP / 252+ Def Skarmory: 56.57 - 66.66%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 252 HP / 32 Def Seismitoad: 56.52 - 66.9%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 252 HP / 184+ Def Eviolite Porygon2: 56.95 - 67.37%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 168 HP / 88 Def Azelf: 57.35 - 67.86%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 252 HP / 120 Def Sableye: 58.22 - 68.42%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Fire Punch vs. 252 HP / 236+ Def Jirachi: 57.92 - 68.81%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Meloetta: 58.91 - 69.55%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Gothitelle: 59.78 - 70.46%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 248 HP / 8 Def Rotom-H: 59.73 - 70.62%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Gothitelle: 60.14 - 70.81%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Rotom-W: 60.39 - 71.28%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 252 HP / 120 Def Ninetales: 60.28 - 71.42%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 240 HP / 0 Def Machamp: 60.62 - 71.91%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 232 HP / 0 Def Rotom-W: 61.2 - 72.24%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 152 HP / 0 Def Kingdra: 60.79 - 72.34%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 252 HP / 208+ Def Cobalion: 62.69 - 73.31%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 72 HP / 0 Def Chandelure: 63.44 - 74.55%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 248 HP / 176+ Def Cloyster: 62.7 - 74.58%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 160 HP / 0 Def Volcarona: 65.24 - 76.92%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Fire Punch vs. 244 HP / 120 Def Dry Skin Toxicroak: 65.76 - 77.44%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 128 HP / 0 Def Machamp: 65.43 - 77.62%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 40 HP / 12 Def Kingdra: 66.11 - 78.07%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Hippowdon: 66.19 - 78.57%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Nidoqueen: 66.4 - 78.64%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 40 HP / 0 Def Kingdra: 66.44 - 79.06%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 124 HP / 0 Def Gastrodon: 67.25 - 79.18%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Chandelure: 67.55 - 79.38%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Chandelure: 67.81 - 79.69%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 28 HP / 0 Def Kingdra: 67.11 - 79.86%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Vaporeon: 68.46 - 80.77%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 248 HP / 228+ Def Zapdos: 69.19 - 81.46%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Kingdra: 68.72 - 81.78%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Meloetta: 69.88 - 82.45%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Meloetta: 70.08 - 82.69%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Fire Punch vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Metagross: 70.6 - 83.51%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Suicune: 70.79 - 83.66%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 224 HP / 32 Def Skarmory: 71.55 - 85.01%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Haxorus: 71.76 - 85.03%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Espeon: 72.75 - 85.62%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Fire Punch vs. 252 HP / 100 Def Jirachi: 72.77 - 85.64%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 72.44 - 85.65%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Politoed: 72.39 - 85.93%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Fire Punch vs. 252 HP / 168 Def Bronzong: 73.07 - 86.09%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Volcarona: 73.63 - 86.81%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Azelf: 73.53 - 86.94%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Azelf: 73.97 - 87.32%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 248 HP / 216+ Def Jellicent: 74.93 - 88.33%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 248 HP / 112 Def Eviolite Riolu: 74.55 - 88.33%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Fire Punch vs. 164 HP / 0 Def Metagross: 75.14 - 88.88%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Slowbro: 75.12 - 89.08%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Rotom-H: 75.61 - 89.25%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Rotom-W: 75.61 - 89.25%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 252 HP / 176+ Def Golurk: 75.65 - 89.26%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Eviolite Porygon2: 75.66 - 89.57%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Raikou: 75.7 - 90.03%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Fire Punch vs. 244 HP / 0 Def Dry Skin Toxicroak: 77.44 - 91.03%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Medicham: 78.24 - 92.36%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Tangrowth: 77.71 - 92.37%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 244 HP / 136+ Def Vaporeon: 78.78 - 92.85%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 252 HP / 200 Def Slowking: 78.42 - 93.14%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 252 HP / 64 Def Kyurem-B: 79.51 - 94.49%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Celebi: 79.7 - 94.55%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Fire Punch vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Jirachi: 79.7 - 94.55%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Mr. Mime: 79.92 - 94.71%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Whimsicott: 80.24 - 94.75%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 252 HP / 72 Def Multiscale Dragonite: 80.82 - 95.59%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 252 HP / 200+ Def Sigilyph: 80.74 - 95.68%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 224 HP / 0 Def Shaymin: 81.1 - 96.22%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Rotom: 82.64 - 97.93%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 236 HP / 252+ Def Breloom: 83.75 - 99.06%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Fire Punch vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Bronzong: 83.72 - 99.11%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Suicune: 83.87 - 99.12%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 252 HP / 236+ Def Tentacruel: 84.89 - 100%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Fire Punch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Metagross: 85.09 - 100.66%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Ninetales: 84.66 - 100.69%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Ludicolo: 85.38 - 100.99%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Fire Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Metagross: 85.38 - 100.99%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Multiscale Dragonite: 86.78 - 102.33%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Infernape: 86.73 - 102.72%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Infernape: 87.03 - 103.07%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Multiscale Dragonite: 87.56 - 103.1%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 252 HP / 24+ Def Huntail: 87.89 - 103.5%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Darmanitan: 87.74 - 103.7%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Skarmory: 89.29 - 105.53%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Togekiss: 89.57 - 105.61%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Togekiss: 90.37 - 106.41%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 0 HP / 212 Def Vaporeon: 90.77 - 106.98%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 184 HP / 0 Def Feraligatr: 90.19 - 107%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Fire Punch vs. 24 HP / 0 Def Dry Skin Toxicroak: 91.05 - 107.02%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 56 HP / 0 Def Celebi: 90.7 - 107.6%
-1 252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Gyarados: 91.34 - 108.39%
-1 252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Staraptor: 91.96 - 108.68%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 248 HP / 200+ Def Xatu: 92.79 - 109.3%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Gengar: 93.1 - 109.57%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 192 HP / 64 Def Zapdos: 92.95 - 110.02%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 252 HP / 76 Def Rotom-C: 93.09 - 110.19%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Yache Berry Garchomp: 94.41 - 111.17%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Celebi: 94.42 - 111.43%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Celebi: 94.15 - 111.69%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Fire Punch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Jirachi: 94.15 - 111.69%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Fire Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Jirachi: 94.42 - 112.02%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 176 HP / 0 Def Togekiss: 95.21 - 112.11%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 95.32 - 112.2%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 244 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 95.57 - 112.5%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Cloyster: 94.62 - 112.8%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Cobalion: 95.04 - 113.62%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Latias: 97.25 - 114.28%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Infernape: 97.26 - 114.33%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Slowking: 97.71 - 115.48%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 212 HP / 0 Def Azumarill: 98.22 - 116.24%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Kyurem-B: 98.46 - 116.36%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Gorebyss: 98.4 - 116.87%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 232 HP / 0 Def Slowking: 99.48 - 117.73%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Fire Punch vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Volbeat: 100 - 118.01%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Amoonguss: 100 - 118.05%
-1 252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 200 HP / 244 Def Landorus-T: 100 - 118.42%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 252 HP / 36 Def Jellicent: 101.73 - 120.29%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Sandslash: 101.71 - 120.61%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Scrafty: 102.69 - 121.55%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Crobat: 102.94 - 121.65%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Venusaur: 103.57 - 122.25%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 104 HP / 0 Def Omastar: 104.23 - 122.8%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Multiscale Dragonite: 104.32 - 122.83%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Multiscale Dragonite: 104.64 - 123.21%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Fire Punch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Forretress: 104.23 - 123.44%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 52 HP / 0 Def Kyurem: 104.2 - 123.51%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Latios: 105.76 - 125%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 32 HP / 0 Def Kyurem: 105.51 - 125.06%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 56 HP / 0- Def Kyurem-B: 105.92 - 125.18%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 172 HP / 0 Def Magnezone: 105.86 - 125.3%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Jolteon: 106.64 - 125.83%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Politoed: 107.03 - 126.04%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mienshao: 107.01 - 126.56%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 252 HP / 140+ Def Sawsbuck: 107.96 - 127.19%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Kyurem: 107.67 - 127.62%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Keldeo: 109.25 - 128.39%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Moltres: 109.34 - 128.66%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Virizion: 109.06 - 128.75%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Keldeo: 109.59 - 128.79%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Kyurem-B: 109.71 - 129.66%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 248 HP / 44 Def Empoleon: 109.97 - 130.45%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Exeggutor: 111.14 - 131.62%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Exeggutor: 111.48 - 132.02%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Eviolite Magneton: 110.74 - 132.23%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 172 HP / 0 Def Jellicent: 112.5 - 132.81%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 113.27 - 133.33%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 113.62 - 133.74%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Starmie: 113.88 - 134.87%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 72 HP / 0 Def Snorlax: 114.61 - 135.07%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Zapdos: 114.59 - 135.71%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 248 HP / 236+ Def Ninjask: 115.07 - 136%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Multiscale Dragonite: 115.78 - 136.84%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Yanmega: 116.29 - 137.06%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Latias: 117.21 - 137.74%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 4 HP / 252 Def Blissey: 117.17 - 137.88%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 72 HP / 4 Def Venusaur: 117.24 - 138.55%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 252 HP / 184+ Def Gliscor: 117.51 - 139.54%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Alakazam: 119.84 - 140.87%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 200 HP / 0 Def Empoleon: 119.49 - 141.22%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Haxorus: 120.4 - 141.49%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Kyurem: 119.69 - 141.68%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Unown: 120.58 - 142.43%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Magnezone: 121.63 - 143.97%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Magnezone: 122.06 - 144.48%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 28 HP / 0 Def Rotom-C: 122.58 - 144.75%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Gorebyss: 122.61 - 145.63%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Fire Punch vs. 252 HP / 88+ Def Ferrothorn: 124.14 - 146.3%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Meloetta-P: 123.46 - 146.33%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Rotom-C: 126.14 - 148.96%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Scrafty: 126.1 - 149.26%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Politoed: 127.63 - 150.31%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Mamoswine: 128.25 - 151.24%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Latios: 128.57 - 152.15%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Terrakion: 128.79 - 152.94%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Hydreigon: 129.14 - 153.06%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Terrakion: 129.93 - 154.01%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Virizion: 130.86 - 154.01%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Terrakion: 130.34 - 154.48%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 252 HP / 196 Def Garchomp: 132.38 - 155.95%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 252 HP / 120 Def Roserade: 133.33 - 157.4%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 0 HP / 60 Def Lilligant: 135.23 - 159.07%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 248 HP / 24+ Def Gliscor: 133.99 - 159.2%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Fire Punch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Heracross: 135.54 - 159.8%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Fire Punch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Heracross: 136.09 - 160.26%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Stoutland: 135.36 - 160.45%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Fire Punch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Scolipede: 135.63 - 160.53%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Fire Punch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Scolipede: 135.87 - 160.68%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 12 HP / 4 Def Empoleon: 135.89 - 160.89%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 40 HP / 0 Def Kabutops: 136.16 - 161.25%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Gyarados: 137.65 - 162.84%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Staraptor: 137.94 - 163.02%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Starmie: 140.83 - 166.79%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Fire Punch vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Venomoth: 141.27 - 167.15%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Starmie: 141.37 - 167.43%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Thundurus-T: 143.47 - 169.56%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Tornadus: 143.47 - 169.56%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 4 HP / 0- Def Hydreigon: 143.55 - 169.93%
-1 252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 32 HP / 0 Def Landorus-T: 143.11 - 170.03%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Virizion: 145.82 - 171.51%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Fire Punch vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Ferrothorn: 145.29 - 171.79%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 12 HP / 0 Def Breloom: 146.59 - 173.48%
-1 252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Landorus-T: 146.25 - 173.75%
-1 252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 88 HP / 4 Def Gyarados: 147.3 - 173.93%
-1 252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Landorus-T: 146.7 - 174.29%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Breloom: 147.7 - 174.8%
-1 252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 88 HP / 0 Def Gyarados: 148.72 - 175.35%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 200 HP / 244 Def Landorus-T: 149.32 - 176.15%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Victreebel: 151.65 - 179.13%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Victreebel: 152.15 - 179.73%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Fire Punch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Froslass: 153.19 - 180.85%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 112 HP / 0 Def Sawsbuck: 156.53 - 184.8%
-1 252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Salamence: 157.09 - 185.49%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 252 HP / 72 Def Dragonite: 161.65 - 191.19%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Crawdaunt: 163.8 - 195.14%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Magneton: 165.28 - 196.69%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Aerodactyl: 169.43 - 199.66%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Fire Punch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Venomoth: 172.95 - 203.55%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Fire Punch vs. 252 HP / 172 Def Abomasnow: 173.17 - 204.42%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Dragonite: 173.83 - 204.66%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Dragonite: 175.12 - 205.95%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Tyranitar: 175 - 208.41%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Shiftry: 180.12 - 213.04%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 4 HP / 0- Def Sceptile: 180.85 - 213.12%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Shiftry: 180.68 - 213.7%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Lucario: 182.62 - 215.6%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Gliscor: 182.13 - 216.15%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 180 HP / 0 Def Tyranitar: 183.16 - 218.13%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Fire Punch vs. 248 HP / 20 Def Scizor: 184.83 - 218.36%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Garchomp: 188.82 - 222.06%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Fire Punch vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Scizor: 187.5 - 222.09%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Fire Punch vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Scizor: 188.04 - 222.74%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 24 HP / 0 Def Roserade: 194.75 - 229.96%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Shiftry: 201.55 - 238%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Fire Punch vs. 88 HP / 0 Def Accelgor: 202.78 - 239%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Dragonite: 208.64 - 245.37%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Dragonite: 209.28 - 246.13%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Tyranitar: 206.72 - 246.19%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Farfetch'd: 211.38 - 249.59%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 32 HP / 0 Def Landorus-T: 216.2 - 254.43%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Landorus: 220.06 - 259.24%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Landorus-T: 220.93 - 260%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 88 HP / 4 Def Gyarados: 220.96 - 260.62%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Landorus: 221.63 - 260.81%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Landorus-T: 221.63 - 260.81%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Zoroark: 221.37 - 261.83%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 88 HP / 0 Def Gyarados: 222.37 - 262.03%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Fire Punch vs. 188 HP / 0 Def Abomasnow: 223.09 - 262.77%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Zoroark: 222.22 - 262.83%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Fire Punch vs. 172 HP / 0 Def Abomasnow: 225.54 - 265.65%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Fire Punch vs. 8 HP / 0 Def Durant: 227.02 - 266.79%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Ditto: 227 - 267.66%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Fire Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Scizor: 229.53 - 271.88%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Dragonite: 231.88 - 273.68%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Tyranitar: 233.13 - 274.48%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Salamence: 234.13 - 276.43%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Gyarados: 235.64 - 277.94%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 232 HP / 24 Def Jumpluff: 239.82 - 283.09%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Fire Punch vs. 252 HP / 160 Def Dry Skin Parasect: 247.22 - 291.97%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 80 HP / 96 Def Smeargle: 257.19 - 302.95%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Dugtrio: 262.55 - 309.47%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Sharpedo: 274.73 - 324.55%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Sharpedo: 277.58 - 327.4%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Fire Punch vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Abomasnow: 283.48 - 335.2%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr ThunderPunch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Magikarp: 285.71 - 337.36%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Jumpluff: 295.54 - 348.97%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Fire Punch vs. 8 HP / 0 Def Dry Skin Jynx: 326.73 - 384.61%
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Conkeldurr Force Palm vs. 32 HP / 0 Def Weavile: 379.58 - 448.09%


Only thing that can take more than 1 hit after stealth rock in OU is reuniclus

b- rank
 
Why does Vemane even post in this thread? You have lost all credibility of anyone viewing you as a good or competent player with some of the stuff you write. Try to see something from another person's point of you since and of embarrassing yourself to whole new levels. You might as well just stop posting on this thread as none of the things you have posted have affected the rankings, just made more and more players realize you should not even be listened too

Also a base post which I will edit in an hour or two saying why thund-t should be A or A+
Whoa there, I hope this doesn't count as minimodding, but let's be nice. This seems sort of unnecessary, attacking somebody on a personal level. Attack the arguments, not the person, to get the best results I think.

Actually, alakazam can take ANY hit (bar multi-hit moves)
Dunno what you are talking about
Breloom does less than 50%
Sandaslash 1hkos with eq
C'mon bro
Alakazam can take one hit though assuming Focus Sash, and because it's extremely frail, means it won't be able to tank any other moves after that. Also, Sandslash could be useful, but seems unnecessarily risky due to its low speed and horrendous special bulk. I really don't see how it meets the description of B-rank, and in my opinion it better fits C-rank. "Reserved for Pokemon who can be effective given the right support, but either have crippling flaws that prevent them from consistently executing their strategy or are completely eclipsed by a Pokemon in the above ranks." Crippling flaws: low speed and low special bulk, as well as lack of noticeable resistances. And as a spinner, it is somewhat eclipsed offensively by Starmie and defensively by Forretress and Tentacruel.
 
I don't understand. You point out all of these flaws, but from the many replays I posted from a higher end of the ladder it is perfectly clear that they are easy to overcome. I'm not posting theorymon (like you), I posted real battles where jinx performed fantastically.

Practice > Theory
(especially when said theory is completely contradictory to what is shown in practice)
I don't really call it high end of the ladder until 1900 when you might actually play someone who has a decent knowledge of the game, and knows the ability ran on every jynx that has seen the light of OU. At least one of those games contained hax that helped you immensely, and though you may have been on the upper middle part of the ladder, at least three of you opponents were in the 1600's and one was using Aggron (lol).

Enough has been said about Jynx. And basically, you're argument was it can sweep once its counters have been removed...only problem with that is the fact that its true for every Pokemon in existence.

Now, Thundurus-T, this guy is simply fantastic. He resists both of the most prominent priority moves in the meta, he has many viable sets, and few counters which can easily be removed with a small moveset change, depending on which counters your team is better at removing. Let's start with what is, imo, his least threatening set, but is still an extremely dangerous set. Scarf Thundurus-T can make a fantastic revenge killer with Volt Switch and fantastic BoltBeam coverage, and Focus Blast for Steels. With an already massive Special Attack stat, the scarf really helps him outspeed things that might try to revenge kill him. Next set, Expert Belt. This set is fantastic because when the opponent sees you not take Life Orb damage or use a set-up move, they'll more than likely assume the Scarf set (unless its a solid player). This set allows you to bluff scarf, and can also open up a move slot that would normally contain a set-up move. This slot can be filled with Volt Switch for fantastic momentum boost or Grass Knot, which can remove counters such as Gastrodon and Hippowdon. But to me the best sets by far, are its Agility set and Double Dance set, since their sweeping potential is matched only by the S Rank Landorus imo, since most Keldeo need a scarf to sweep and Terrakion suffers from weakness to common priority. His sweeping sets offer fantastic coverage, and the bulky EV spread makes him be able to take some hits quite nicely. he also doesn't even have to have a boost wreak havoc, he can go boostless and still rip holes. Now onto his biggest flaw, Stealth Rock weakness...which is covered by Forretress and Starmie who can provide a counter and check, respectively, to Mamoswine as well as spin, as well as perform well in rain just like Thundurus-T. The sheer versatility of Thundurus-T and his almost unmatched late game sweeping potential and raw power, as well as the fact his surefire counters are limited to Bulky Latias and Amoonguss, both of who are shaky against the NP set, and checks limited to Mamoswine (who is quite easy to get rid of since many of his counters are popular Thundurus-T partners) and other priority users once he is weakened. So, in short, Thundurus-T for A Rank.
 

Lavos

Banned deucer.
Obviously I meant once you are set up. Sandslash doesn't come in on loom. Loom comes in to revenge slash. (for this same reason, the bullet seed calc is useless)
okay then, if you're going to play dirty by not talking about any boost at all in your op and then copping out once you realized grass does in fact resist ground, riddle me this: what in ou can sandslash actually set up on? off the top of my head i can't think of anything - almost every single pokemon can either cripple it with status, phaze it out, or simply hit it hard enough that it's either dying right off the bat of is being put into range for any reasonably strong priority move to finish it off. regardless, if we're talking 1v1, breloom beats sandslash every single time, so i have no idea where you thought you were going with that. i've used sandslash since the day it was released and it's never failed to disappoint me, so don't go pulling your bullshit "practice>theroymon" arguments because a) i've practiced too, and b) you only practice against weaklings. sandslash has its niche uses, yes, but overall it's a sorry excuse for a sand rusher and falls to more things than it beats.

Jinx => C Rank
if you're going to nominate jynx then for christ's sake spell it correctly
 
You know what else is nice about practice replays? Go back to all of those battles and look how many of your opponents plain out used Water attacks on Jynx because they had never seen it before and didn't know it had dry skin. Most of those teams also had only 1 Ice resist and more than one Ice weakness. The second is more understandable, but the first isn't. Like Gary said, mono-ice is really unreliable, you pretty much have to pair it with something like Magnezone to get rid of Scizor and Ferrothorn. All your replays did was prove how much support it needs, considering you gave it Magnezone and Rain, and still then it was not a prominent threat. Sure, it can sweep after it's counters have been removed, but so can Cloyster. But Cloyster doesn't have to run mono-ice coverage to accomplish what it wants to. You rely on Substitute, Lovely Kiss not missing, and that the opposing mon doesn't resist Ice. It's just not a reliable strategy. If I'm gonna run mono-attacking (which I wouldn't), it wouldn't be resisted by Water and Steel, the two most popular types in the game.
 

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Dunno what you are talking about



Breloom does less than 50%

Sandaslash 1hkos with eq

C'mon bro
I'm deleting and infracting this post.

And if I ever see a post of this nature again, I will personally go through this entire thread and retroactively infract users.

Do not be that guy, think before you post.
 

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Just to be clear here.

Recently, some posters have perhaps casually thrown out statements that were utterly untrue (or bullshit), and that pissed a lot of people off. Despite this, I do NOT want to see the insults this user got ever again. I don't care just how utterly wrong these posters are, if I EVER catch those users in question (you know who you are) making personal attacks again it will be an instant 2 point infraction. Some of the comments in this thread border on pure bullying and I am disgusted with some people.

Like PKGaming said

Think before you post.
 
I don't really call it high end of the ladder until 1900 when you might actually play someone who has a decent knowledge of the game, and knows the ability ran on every jynx that has seen the light of OU. At least one of those games contained hax that helped you immensely, and though you may have been on the upper middle part of the ladder, at least three of you opponents were in the 1600's and one was using Aggron (lol).

Enough has been said about Jynx. And basically, you're argument was it can sweep once its counters have been removed...only problem with that is the fact that its true for every Pokemon in existence.

Now, Thundurus-T, this guy is simply fantastic. He resists both of the most prominent priority moves in the meta, he has many viable sets, and few counters which can easily be removed with a small moveset change, depending on which counters your team is better at removing. Let's start with what is, imo, his least threatening set, but is still an extremely dangerous set. Scarf Thundurus-T can make a fantastic revenge killer with Volt Switch and fantastic BoltBeam coverage, and Focus Blast for Steels. With an already massive Special Attack stat, the scarf really helps him outspeed things that might try to revenge kill him. Next set, Expert Belt. This set is fantastic because when the opponent sees you not take Life Orb damage or use a set-up move, they'll more than likely assume the Scarf set (unless its a solid player). This set allows you to bluff scarf, and can also open up a move slot that would normally contain a set-up move. This slot can be filled with Volt Switch for fantastic momentum boost or Grass Knot, which can remove counters such as Gastrodon and Hippowdon. But to me the best sets by far, are its Agility set and Double Dance set, since their sweeping potential is matched only by the S Rank Landorus imo, since most Keldeo need a scarf to sweep and Terrakion suffers from weakness to common priority. His sweeping sets offer fantastic coverage, and the bulky EV spread makes him be able to take some hits quite nicely. he also doesn't even have to have a boost wreak havoc, he can go boostless and still rip holes. Now onto his biggest flaw, Stealth Rock weakness...which is covered by Forretress and Starmie who can provide a counter and check, respectively, to Mamoswine as well as spin, as well as perform well in rain just like Thundurus-T. The sheer versatility of Thundurus-T and his almost unmatched late game sweeping potential and raw power, as well as the fact his surefire counters are limited to Bulky Latias and Amoonguss, both of who are shaky against the NP set, and checks limited to Mamoswine (who is quite easy to get rid of since many of his counters are popular Thundurus-T partners) and other priority users once he is weakened. So, in short, Thundurus-T for A Rank.
You forgot his mixed set with 4 Atk/252 SpA/252 Spe And U-turn, Superpower, Tbolt, and HP Ice. Very effective lure to bring in Celebi only to smack it w/ uturn.

Anyway I agree with this. Thundy is an amazing sweeper and has good resists. The Double Dance is especially potent and dangerous. Thundy for A rank!!!
 
more people should use lo mamoswine. revenges a ton of shit and his stabs are ridiculously hard to switch into. unfortunately he gets forced out rather easily but he's still terrifying.

thund-t has kyurem-b syndrome (mediocre vs offense, excellent vs balance/stall), btw.
 

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more people should use lo mamoswine. revenges a ton of shit and his stabs are ridiculously hard to switch into. unfortunately he gets forced out rather easily but he's still terrifying.

thund-t has kyurem-b syndrome (mediocre vs offense, excellent vs balance/stall), btw.
But what if it runs an agility set? Except for mamoswine, priority doesn't do too much and I would think it could probably sweep after a boost if things like latios are weakened. I think the hard part would be setting up, but once it gets just that one chance it could go to town.
 
thund-t always runs tbolt and hp ice, and then... without focus blast, you lose to ttar, kyu-b, and sand terrak. without nasty plot, you're worthless against stall (and lose to sdef hippowdon on bulky offense). without agility, everything revenge kills you. plus it's really hard to switch in/set up in the first place, and when on top of moveslot syndrome you've got a fair amount of common checks (lati@s being the most prominent), it's usually not going to go too well.
 

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more people should use lo mamoswine. revenges a ton of shit and his stabs are ridiculously hard to switch into. unfortunately he gets forced out rather easily but he's still terrifying.

thund-t has kyurem-b syndrome (mediocre vs offense, excellent vs balance/stall), btw.
Although it does have some problems finding a spot to set up on offensive teams, if it can get an Agility up, it's can usually do work against them if their Lati@s has been weakened. I'm also a firm believer that if you aren't using the bulkier Modest version, you're doing the Agility set wrong. Anyway Thundurus-T is a fantastic late game sweeper, stall-breaker, offensive pivot, and wall breaker and totally deserves A-rank,
 

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IMO Ninetales should move down from A+ to A or A-. Sun is simply unviable in today's meta, since it in no way counters rain (the dominant weather) and is shut down completely by sand (the dominant anti rain weather). If you look at the S rank and the A+ Rank, you will see that nothing in those groups directly benefit from rain (maybe a latios with hp fire, but that's not directly benifitial). If nothing From A+ or S benefits from sun, doesn't that mean that it is kinda unviable? All the best pokemon in the OU tier, and none of them need sun at all. I think this alone should bring sun (and therefore also Ninetales) down to A or A-

I would also like to see what you posters out there think about this idea, if you agree or disagree and why :]
 
IMO Ninetales should move down from A+ to A or A-. Sun is simply unviable in today's meta, since it in no way counters rain (the dominant weather) and is shut down completely by sand (the dominant anti rain weather). If you look at the S rank and the A+ Rank, you will see that nothing in those groups directly benefit from rain (maybe a latios with hp fire, but that's not directly benifitial). If nothing From A+ or S benefits from sun, doesn't that mean that it is kinda unviable? All the best pokemon in the OU tier, and none of them need sun at all. I think this alone should bring sun (and therefore also Ninetales) down to A or A-

I would also like to see what you posters out there think about this idea, if you agree or disagree and why :]

Wait it is shut down by sand? Sand Offense struggles against Sun Offense to say the least, most of the standard sun teams of Keldeo/Tar/Lando can effortlessly get swept by Lilligant or Venusaur with a chlorophyll boost, which is easily obtainable due to the abundance of Dugtrio on sun teams, Gothitelle trapping Keldeo in the sun also can break the core, forcing sand to rely on Heatran/Latios to check sun, which in Heatran's case, isn't reliable and with Latios' case, can get worn down/actually gives Ninetales a job.

Sun teams are amazing nowadays as it is the only playstyle where you have to do weird shit in teambuilding to check it, like slap random Lati@s or Tran on a team.
 

MikeDawg

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thund-t always runs tbolt and hp ice, and then... without focus blast, you lose to ttar, kyu-b, and sand terrak. without nasty plot, you're worthless against stall (and lose to sdef hippowdon on bulky offense). without agility, everything revenge kills you. plus it's really hard to switch in/set up in the first place, and when on top of moveslot syndrome you've got a fair amount of common checks (lati@s being the most prominent), it's usually not going to go too well.
I see. I would think the ideal set though would be thunderbolt+hpice+focus blast with life orb. Another pokemon could counter stall (which doesn't seem all that omnipresent based off of discussion). You are right though, it does require a lot of support in order to setup and sweep.
 
Although it does have some problems finding a spot to set up on offensive teams, if it can get an Agility up, it's can usually do work against them if their Lati@s has been weakened. I'm also a firm believer that if you aren't using the bulkier Modest version, you're doing the Agility set wrong. Anyway Thundurus-T is a fantastic late game sweeper, stall-breaker, offensive pivot, and wall breaker and totally deserves A-rank,
IMO, if you wanna use a bulky electric, go for Modest Zapdos instead.

While it lacks a way to go mixed, Zapdos has much better bulk, and arguably better coverage in the form of Heat Wave. Once Lightning Rod gets released, Zappy will have an easier time switching in and setting up.
 
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