-
Welcome to Smogon! Take a moment to read the Introduction to Smogon for a run-down on everything Smogon, and make sure you take some time to read the global rules.
-
Congrats to the winners of the 2023 Smog Awards!
Mario Kart Mafia (NOC) END: VILLAGE WINS
- Thread starter Eagle4
- Start date
Acklow
I am always tired. Don't bother me.
Ok, time for my reads.
1. Celever - Hi Celever!! Since people are probably expecting me to say stuff, I guess I'll start with you. It's easier since you're at the top of the player list. ;)
Alrighty, so from what I can tell, is that Celever is still her newbie self since the last Mafia game (i.e. LoZ:TP or w/e it was Mafia). Making mistakes and false assumptions very very quickly. However one thing I noticed is that since she had experience from her last game, it's almost as if she had the gall to act like she knew shit. That's why I ranted about her in my tl;dr post. I don't think I need to put any more content out on her. At this time I will say: Moderate Scum Read. Yes this is a mild scum read. I am giving her the benefit of the doubt just enough, even though she rammed barty hard with pressure. At this time it's too early to assume who is what just yet unless they say something extremely out of the ordinary. I am still concerned that she hasn't answered any of Spiffy's questions quite yet.
2. Solar Vapor - Shining Latios eh? Looks like that name change+avatar change has thrown me a curve ball. I can expect the usual SL plays here then? Here's hoping he is bribed with pics of LS and posts when he's silenced. :p
But honestly though, I can't really tell from what SV has posted thus far if he is village or mafia. He seems to be riding the current and only making posts whenever his name pops up or whenever there seems to be something he thinks is relevant to himself that is being discussed. Null Read.
3. Metal Sonic - Metal Sonic, Metal Sonic, Metal Sonic...wow. Honestly I hope this kind of play/attitude continues. I swear when I read your first few posts, I instantly thought to myself: "Who is this little shit?" Well in any event, on to your playstyle. I can still see remnants of your annoying #1 Scumhunter style, but at least it isn't blatant, which makes it extremely bearable. My issue with you only lies in your little thing with Jalmont. That vote was unusual and a little uncalled for. I can sort of see where you were coming from but still, as much as you said you don't baselessly toss around votes, I'd argue otherwise, just not nearly as much as some other users (see: Celever). I will say that you have been posting consistently, but mostly one-liners with little content. I'm hoping you will remain consistent in posting, but with a little more effort. One-liners are good and all as long as they provide a point, but I'm afraid that won't be true for some users who misread things like crazy. Mild Town Read.
4. Spiffy - Probably the most active and most productive player. I don't think I need to say much here except that I would like to hear your thoughts on BtB/Myself, especially my tl;dr post. Strong Town Read.
5. Houndoomsday - Reactionary player. It looks like he's an eager beaver and is willing to jump on most of the "logical" bandwagons. Disregarding his whole deal with MS, I think that him voting BtB was rather unusual, yet not unusual at the same time considering the things BtB was saying. What's funny is that he's one of the players who decides that lynching a POWER ROLE is logical. So far this guy has been one of the biggest parrots I have seen itg. Mostly copying what others said before him. He occasionally posts one-liners. Although I haven't seen any posts that buddy anybody in particular, I can't say for sure that he's scum at this time. I have noticed that there is some slight nudging towards Celever to shape up in her posts, although it doesn't actually look like it. I may be looking into it a little deeply though... Very Mild Scum Read.
8. Acklow - Hi Acklow! Yo wassup? Not much, just hanging. Cool deal mang, just let me know if you feel annoyed again. Yeah sure brah. You do need to calm your tits tho, you got pretty pissed earlier didn't you. Yeah I admit I did. Ok, cool man, well I hope things shape up for you and you actually can pick of some mafians this game. Yeah thanks mang. No probs. Town.
12. cxinlee - Sub for Firemage. From what I have read from his posts, he has been constantly saying he isn't sure what to say about certain players (Celever, barty the beetle, Metal Sonic, and Snaquaza). He votes BtB, then unvotes, then puts a pressure vote on Celever, even though there's more than enough pressure on Celever... I find it interesting that he thinks that either I (barty the beetle) or Jalmont are mafia, but our both being mafia is mutually exclusive. As for Firemage himself, before he subbed out he actually voted Celever. Probably one of the first few players to get onto Celever's case bar Spiffy. Null Read.
Getting a little tired and I have work early tomorrow. I'll do some more reads tomorrow. It takes way too much effort to go through 6 pages of content to try to analyze EACH FREAKING PLAYER's content. Dammit this is the only reason I never liked subbing into NOCs...
1. Celever - Hi Celever!! Since people are probably expecting me to say stuff, I guess I'll start with you. It's easier since you're at the top of the player list. ;)
Alrighty, so from what I can tell, is that Celever is still her newbie self since the last Mafia game (i.e. LoZ:TP or w/e it was Mafia). Making mistakes and false assumptions very very quickly. However one thing I noticed is that since she had experience from her last game, it's almost as if she had the gall to act like she knew shit. That's why I ranted about her in my tl;dr post. I don't think I need to put any more content out on her. At this time I will say: Moderate Scum Read. Yes this is a mild scum read. I am giving her the benefit of the doubt just enough, even though she rammed barty hard with pressure. At this time it's too early to assume who is what just yet unless they say something extremely out of the ordinary. I am still concerned that she hasn't answered any of Spiffy's questions quite yet.
2. Solar Vapor - Shining Latios eh? Looks like that name change+avatar change has thrown me a curve ball. I can expect the usual SL plays here then? Here's hoping he is bribed with pics of LS and posts when he's silenced. :p
But honestly though, I can't really tell from what SV has posted thus far if he is village or mafia. He seems to be riding the current and only making posts whenever his name pops up or whenever there seems to be something he thinks is relevant to himself that is being discussed. Null Read.
3. Metal Sonic - Metal Sonic, Metal Sonic, Metal Sonic...wow. Honestly I hope this kind of play/attitude continues. I swear when I read your first few posts, I instantly thought to myself: "Who is this little shit?" Well in any event, on to your playstyle. I can still see remnants of your annoying #1 Scumhunter style, but at least it isn't blatant, which makes it extremely bearable. My issue with you only lies in your little thing with Jalmont. That vote was unusual and a little uncalled for. I can sort of see where you were coming from but still, as much as you said you don't baselessly toss around votes, I'd argue otherwise, just not nearly as much as some other users (see: Celever). I will say that you have been posting consistently, but mostly one-liners with little content. I'm hoping you will remain consistent in posting, but with a little more effort. One-liners are good and all as long as they provide a point, but I'm afraid that won't be true for some users who misread things like crazy. Mild Town Read.
4. Spiffy - Probably the most active and most productive player. I don't think I need to say much here except that I would like to hear your thoughts on BtB/Myself, especially my tl;dr post. Strong Town Read.
5. Houndoomsday - Reactionary player. It looks like he's an eager beaver and is willing to jump on most of the "logical" bandwagons. Disregarding his whole deal with MS, I think that him voting BtB was rather unusual, yet not unusual at the same time considering the things BtB was saying. What's funny is that he's one of the players who decides that lynching a POWER ROLE is logical. So far this guy has been one of the biggest parrots I have seen itg. Mostly copying what others said before him. He occasionally posts one-liners. Although I haven't seen any posts that buddy anybody in particular, I can't say for sure that he's scum at this time. I have noticed that there is some slight nudging towards Celever to shape up in her posts, although it doesn't actually look like it. I may be looking into it a little deeply though... Very Mild Scum Read.
8. Acklow - Hi Acklow! Yo wassup? Not much, just hanging. Cool deal mang, just let me know if you feel annoyed again. Yeah sure brah. You do need to calm your tits tho, you got pretty pissed earlier didn't you. Yeah I admit I did. Ok, cool man, well I hope things shape up for you and you actually can pick of some mafians this game. Yeah thanks mang. No probs. Town.
12. cxinlee - Sub for Firemage. From what I have read from his posts, he has been constantly saying he isn't sure what to say about certain players (Celever, barty the beetle, Metal Sonic, and Snaquaza). He votes BtB, then unvotes, then puts a pressure vote on Celever, even though there's more than enough pressure on Celever... I find it interesting that he thinks that either I (barty the beetle) or Jalmont are mafia, but our both being mafia is mutually exclusive. As for Firemage himself, before he subbed out he actually voted Celever. Probably one of the first few players to get onto Celever's case bar Spiffy. Null Read.
Getting a little tired and I have work early tomorrow. I'll do some more reads tomorrow. It takes way too much effort to go through 6 pages of content to try to analyze EACH FREAKING PLAYER's content. Dammit this is the only reason I never liked subbing into NOCs...
@Snaquaza is scum i have no idea why he is summarizing the game i don't need a summary when i can just read through the game
@cxinlee you say most of my posts are "very scum" but you only give one example which incidentally is the only thing firemage refuted. welcome to smogon mafia though! what does "most of their posts are not pro-town mean"?
there's no point in explaining previous behavior especially because 1. you can't 2. you waste time that could've been spent contributing by posting opinions on others mainly because people are already predisposed to a certain outcome, meaning, if they thought user A was scum and then user B subbed in for user A, user B explaining those actions only reinforces that scum belief. i actually learned this the hard way :/
i would vote for snaquaza but marquis is a bro so i just can't (for now ehehe)
@Spiffy mad
NOC day 1s should be 5 days max, 3 days min but I'm not the host so you have to take what you can get. imo w/ unlimited time as long as activity is good it doesn't really matter how long you "pressure" someone
can't wait for snaquaza's reads - those will pretty much reafirm my scum read on him
houmsdoomday's stock is rising - i'm picking him to be a winner atm
is this twitter o.o
maybe i will try reading the tl;drs tomorrow
@cxinlee you say most of my posts are "very scum" but you only give one example which incidentally is the only thing firemage refuted. welcome to smogon mafia though! what does "most of their posts are not pro-town mean"?
there's no point in explaining previous behavior especially because 1. you can't 2. you waste time that could've been spent contributing by posting opinions on others mainly because people are already predisposed to a certain outcome, meaning, if they thought user A was scum and then user B subbed in for user A, user B explaining those actions only reinforces that scum belief. i actually learned this the hard way :/
i would vote for snaquaza but marquis is a bro so i just can't (for now ehehe)
@Spiffy mad
NOC day 1s should be 5 days max, 3 days min but I'm not the host so you have to take what you can get. imo w/ unlimited time as long as activity is good it doesn't really matter how long you "pressure" someone
can't wait for snaquaza's reads - those will pretty much reafirm my scum read on him
houmsdoomday's stock is rising - i'm picking him to be a winner atm
is this twitter o.o
maybe i will try reading the tl;drs tomorrow
I see this as a nooby post of Celever as of which you can’t know anything as it is really something for him to do this.
The following posts is just Spiffy naturally telling he is wrong.
Well great action Metal Sonic, as I already said you could be mafia not be wanting to get votes as he normally gets much this way, but currently I’ll keep this as good from you to do. (Later in the game if he acts more suspicious, here can be looken back on)Okay guys, I’d like to begin this game with a foreword to all of you.
I’ve received (a lot) of negative feedback about the way in play in games, and I genuinely feel very dejected and discouraged by these rancid remarks. In fact, I felt very heartbroken when I saw this
fat Vonfielder said:
I really wouldn't mind if Metal Sonic left smogon too to be honest
… which is obviously attributed to my mafia play.
And then I see this…
fat woodchuck said:
jumping in to say fuck metal sonic and his #1 scumhunter bullshit
, it makes me feel so sad to know that my playstyle is unappreciated
All I am trying to do is to be a great scumhunter and lead the town to victory, is that so bad? I’ve hunted and nailed down 2/3 of all the scum immediately even at Day 3, which is rather early; is that so bad? All I’ve been doing is to help town win, it’s not entirely my fault when unfortunate circumstances happen; I’ve done the best I can.
I am very sad to hear this, so I tell you what; I’m quitting the role of #1 scumhunter. THAT’S RIGHT, NO MORE #1 SCUMHUNTER BULLSHIT.
I’m just going to be an ordinary townie; an ordinary civilian. I’m not taking a lead role anymore, I’m stepping down to “political pressure” and just going to be an ordinary town citizen and not be obnoxious or whatever.
I’m still going to hunt scum, don’t worry. But you all are going to have to find another #1 scumhunter to replace my spot, and worthy candidates are [Aura Guardian, Spiffy, Jalmont and Woodchuck]. Go find your #1 scumhunter this game.
With a new avatar, and a new forum, comes a new me.
I’m going to be extra lame and ordinary from this game onwards. See what you’re gonna do when I step down. Bah.
Well not much comments on this, I don’t know about the Blackhawk part, but that is since I don’t know his play very well and as comment on what Marquis did for me, I assume he just wanted to start the RVS to not have lots of random posts like ‘it started’. I just think that we can’t say much about Celever yet as his noob play obstructs our view on him, but probably if he wants to do something for mafia, he will do things in a different way, so I believe we’ll see it then.
Well I can understand the no voting part and Marquis probably just voted to get started with the RVS.
Well I don’t really agree about barty’s post, it basically said nothing, it was good job Metal Sonic and Marquis could be BB and MS so just could be anything.
Well I’ve given on my opinion on Celever for now, so I don’t make more comments on him. The FoS (not vote) is on Aura Guardian, maybe for more posts, maybe he thinks he is suspicious, but he doesn’t want to say that apparently.
Well, wasn’t this part about Metal Sonic what I was saying, although I thought no one brought it up yet >_<
Now on the analyzes of him
Well the Jalmont part seems good, the Celever part I already commented on, as well as the BtB part, I can’t say much about Aura Guardian, I agree with calling Solar Vapor out as he didn’t contribute too much at the part of this post, now he says it, I do see that most of Spiffy’s post have been explenations, but I won’t think he is scum yet.
(yay the first BtB post that says something, although I’ll probably repeat what people said already, I can’t help that if I comment 5 pages after)
Well first defending of mostly admitting >_< and afterwards he says Marquis had a vote at the start and that it was a RVS! That wasn’t clear at all (note the sarcasm)
Then against Houndoomsday, you say he did a good job at getting more information from Marquis.
And he gives some things he wants from others, btw, anyone seeing MS + BtB connection, I don’t know if it has been brought up, but they seem to defend / at least not vote eachother (remember this for end to ask for other reads)
well BtB tries to make him look the best person as all he does is good, this is quite suspicious and he didn’t give any real reasoning besides I am a noob
Okay two things at the end for now
1. Metal Sonic and Barty the Beetle, please give detailed scumreads on eachother
2. I just realized this probably isn’t the way you meant, I came across a general small read on this page and I now realize this might be similar to a summary with comments, but I hope my comments are worth something, I thought you meant it this way. Also my reads might be the same as someone else’s one, but yea it is a bit late comment and I didn't look at other people's posts when commenting, anyway I’ll give immediate scumread oversight, but if you guys want I can continue this way till where we are too :)
THIS
Would post but am leaving to do some tree-clinbing, as far as I am concerned I have answered Spiffy's question. Yes, question. He is pestering me over one question which I have already answered - maybe not to the standard he expects but I have very much answered it. I have answered it AND quoted it multiple times tagging Spiffy in the process, and yes maybe I am your scum read but you have spent over 36/48 hours pestering me over one question and doing nothing else to help the town, am I the only person who finds this scummy?
@Snaquaza just post scum reads :p
Also @Acklow I apologise for making your brain melt :(
Acklow
I am always tired. Don't bother me.
BtB was subbed out. I already gave my reads on MS.
@Celever
These all come from post #159. Go back to that post to know the context.
And yeah @Snaquaza can you please post a list of reads like Acklow and cxinlee seem to be doing?
These all come from post #159. Go back to that post to know the context.
Spiffy said:
Spiffy said:
Spiffy said:
So that's five questions there, and one more from another post...Spiffy said:
There are also several statements I have made about you that you haven't refuted, but this is good for now.Spiffy said:
And yeah @Snaquaza can you please post a list of reads like Acklow and cxinlee seem to be doing?
In response to the accusations that I have done nothing for the town other then tunnel Celever, I believe getting people to recognize his scumminess was helping the town, and I finally accomplished that. The only other thing happening was the barty fiasco, which I had already discussed why I disagreed with that. If there are any other issues that you want my input on, feel free to point them out to me.
And "not helping the town" describes over half of the game now, so please be more specific!
And "not helping the town" describes over half of the game now, so please be more specific!
@Solar Vapor You have yet to defend yourself to my satisfaction, and I gave my reasons why your only given defense was inadequate. Defend yourself
Everyone else: uh, not sure what to say here... um.
Everyone else: uh, not sure what to say here... um.
@Aura Guardian: No you didn't. You simply answered my question. I don't think saying "That defense you posted to my question seems lacking." is a reason. Then you go on to say you have nothing to say about everyone else as if you have no interest to identify mafia which is very scummy in my opinion. So stop acting like you've won a trophy or something.
@Woodchuck: Why do you think Celever is the scummiest person in the game right now? Is it strictly for avoiding Spiffy's question?
My top 2 scum reads at the moment are Celever and AG. Both of them have posted potential scum teams which are absolutely useless on D1. How can you already be confident in determining the scum team so early in the game? Let's not formulate bullshit like this.
I don't like that people are continually saying Spiffy is tunneling. If he thinks Celever is scum then let him do whatever he needs to do to ensure his suspicions.
Fuck @Acklow I ended up getting pics smh.
@Woodchuck: Why do you think Celever is the scummiest person in the game right now? Is it strictly for avoiding Spiffy's question?
My top 2 scum reads at the moment are Celever and AG. Both of them have posted potential scum teams which are absolutely useless on D1. How can you already be confident in determining the scum team so early in the game? Let's not formulate bullshit like this.
I don't like that people are continually saying Spiffy is tunneling. If he thinks Celever is scum then let him do whatever he needs to do to ensure his suspicions.
Fuck @Acklow I ended up getting pics smh.
yea @Aura Guardian you haven't won a trophy who you think you are smh...
@Solar Vapor PICS or it didn't happen - ur still scum btw
@Solar Vapor PICS or it didn't happen - ur still scum btw
Acklow
I am always tired. Don't bother me.
Agreeing with this sentiment. I am not to certain if I'll be able to post more reads today but if I DO get the chance I will try.
All right, @Solar Vapor, let's go statement by statement why what you said is NOT a good defense
Not supposed to defend yourself?
No, you're supposed to listen to what he said and start being useful.
Ignore it?
As above
Jalmont's usfulness:
I have already said that, counting how you defended yourself from him, he had contributed about 3x as much IMO as you had by that point.
Accused of not helping the village by someone who wasn't:
He had just started helping and was doind so more than you immediately did on being called out. Also, pot, kettle, black.
Defend yoursefl:
Yes, most certainly. But how you did so is part of why I'm asking abou the connection. Especially since what I would have done is immediately start being useful.
So, yeah, the way you did it, and the REST of your connection with him outside of that argument that I want you to explain. No, you have NOT defended yourself to my satisfaction.
Now, to answer your accusation of me: I never said I was confident about it, aside from barty, which... I still want to keep an eye on Acklow, but that was about it. And the scumreads ARE useful. Yeah, I need more data, like a lynch or two, but it's the best we've got for now. The scumreads are still useful because they provide more data for everyone to decide on, such as my opinions, a new link, maybe something they missed somehow, or something. Regardless, more data is always good.
Not supposed to defend yourself?
No, you're supposed to listen to what he said and start being useful.
Ignore it?
As above
Jalmont's usfulness:
I have already said that, counting how you defended yourself from him, he had contributed about 3x as much IMO as you had by that point.
Accused of not helping the village by someone who wasn't:
He had just started helping and was doind so more than you immediately did on being called out. Also, pot, kettle, black.
Defend yoursefl:
Yes, most certainly. But how you did so is part of why I'm asking abou the connection. Especially since what I would have done is immediately start being useful.
So, yeah, the way you did it, and the REST of your connection with him outside of that argument that I want you to explain. No, you have NOT defended yourself to my satisfaction.
Now, to answer your accusation of me: I never said I was confident about it, aside from barty, which... I still want to keep an eye on Acklow, but that was about it. And the scumreads ARE useful. Yeah, I need more data, like a lynch or two, but it's the best we've got for now. The scumreads are still useful because they provide more data for everyone to decide on, such as my opinions, a new link, maybe something they missed somehow, or something. Regardless, more data is always good.