FOR GOODNESS SAKE PEOPLE STOP VOTING.
We don't know where some of the Mario Crew is at with their L-[numbers], if we fling votes around immediately the mafia could probably stealth us. The only thing I have taken from this so far is Marquais is probably noob mafia, I doubt it is going to tell him Night 0 that someone is a member of the Bowser Boys, so he is probably trying to fling accusations himself.
Either Marquais has no idea what is going on or he is trying to take the 'noob to clean himself' route that I admittedly took to a lesser extent last game (even though I was village). I say that we all take our votes off and do what people do on these days, I know that was all for fun but it seems like Aura Guardian and I are the only people with sense in this game.
Ignore or just lynch Marquais for now, simple as that.
I see this as a nooby post of Celever as of which you can’t know anything as it is really something for him to do this.
The following posts is just Spiffy naturally telling he is wrong.
Okay guys, I’d like to begin this game with a foreword to all of you.
I’ve received (a lot) of negative feedback about the way in play in games, and I genuinely feel very dejected and discouraged by these rancid remarks. In fact, I felt very heartbroken when I saw this
fat Vonfielder said:
I really wouldn't mind if Metal Sonic left smogon too to be honest
… which is obviously attributed to my mafia play.
And then I see this…
fat woodchuck said:
jumping in to say fuck metal sonic and his #1 scumhunter bullshit
, it makes me feel so sad to know that my playstyle is unappreciated
All I am trying to do is to be a great scumhunter and lead the town to victory, is that so bad? I’ve hunted and nailed down 2/3 of all the scum immediately even at Day 3, which is rather early; is that so bad? All I’ve been doing is to help town win, it’s not entirely my fault when
unfortunate circumstances happen; I’ve done the best I can.
I am very sad to hear this, so I tell you what; I’m quitting the role of #1 scumhunter. THAT’S RIGHT, NO MORE #1 SCUMHUNTER BULLSHIT.
I’m just going to be an ordinary townie; an ordinary civilian. I’m not taking a lead role anymore, I’m stepping down to “political pressure” and just going to be an ordinary town citizen and not be obnoxious or whatever.
I’m still going to hunt scum, don’t worry. But you all are going to have to find another #1 scumhunter to replace my spot, and worthy candidates are [Aura Guardian, Spiffy, Jalmont and Woodchuck]. Go find your #1 scumhunter this game.
With a new avatar, and a new forum, comes a new me.
I’m going to be extra lame and ordinary from this game onwards. See what you’re gonna do when I step down. Bah.
Well great action Metal Sonic, as I already said you could be mafia not be wanting to get votes as he normally gets much this way, but currently I’ll keep this as good from you to do. (Later in the game if he acts more suspicious, here can be looken back on)
In general: Ok, my concentration is mostly frazzled, but I can probably say a fair bit of small stuff if I don't look at the thread wholistically.
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Marquis, post #13: Though I'm fairly sure you vote was a troll, I'm not RVSing because adding even more votes to the pool would be redundant - there has been enough to stir up conversation already.
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Celever, post #15: No, let them stealth early-game. It would give away many of them, and hand us an easy victory.
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Celever, post #20: Bad tactics early game because of RVS. (Redeemed with post #32, sort of, I guess...)
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Celever, posts #22, 25, and 27: Wait, how do you not know what RVS is after Twilight Princess/RNG NOC?
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Blackhawk11, post #33: Thank you.
Overall: Metal Sonic's behavior seems a little... off. I can get most of it, but my concentration's starting to come back, and a wholistic view just seems a bit... wrong.
As for Marquis, posts #6 and 8: Uh... I'm really tempted to vote him for that. Claiming Jalmont is a BB in his PM is either a brilliant play (not likely), or a downright horrible play (likely). ... Marquis, do you stand by that claim Jalmont is mafia, or was it a joke (asking because I want it on the record)? There is likely a follow-up to this.
FoS on: Marquis (most, because seriously, what?), Celever (acting a bit noobish in a little scummy way, then calling it out in post #32, which is, aside from the noobish thing, how I went through most of Twilight/RNG NOC), Metal Sonic (least, just seems a bit off)
Still not voting yet, though, but if I did, it would probably be for someone who hasn't posted much (my excuse is the game started near night for me).
Well not much comments on this, I don’t know about the Blackhawk part, but that is since I don’t know his play very well and as comment on what Marquis did for me, I assume he just wanted to start the RVS to not have lots of random posts like ‘it started’. I just think that we can’t say much about Celever yet as his noob play obstructs our view on him, but probably if he wants to do something for mafia, he will do things in a different way, so I believe we’ll see it then.
not voting yet as enough pressure is being thrown around but ms seems to be acting weird. bringing outside stuff in and all that. not suspicious enough to warrant any votes but it just seems a little sketchy and ill be keeping an eye on him
marquis post seems like an excuse to stir up lynches, and again im not voting because i dont have a good enough reason but i am very close and any weird behavior will definitely warrant a vote from me.
barty made a solid post but i dont know what to think of him yet
celever seems to be really defensive about lynching people but that isnt a big deal this early. later on obviously it will become much more important. right now though its probably just 'rather safe that sorry' as we basically have nothing to work off of. also we could subscribe to threads on the old forum which was roughly the same thing but no alerts.
but yeah my FoS is basically Aura Guardian's at the moment (marquis, ms, celever in that order) but its too early to do anything too bold imo.
Well I can understand the no voting part and Marquis probably just voted to get started with the RVS.
Well I don’t really agree about barty’s post, it basically said nothing, it was good job Metal Sonic and Marquis could be BB and MS so just could be anything.
Well I’ve given on my opinion on Celever for now, so I don’t make more comments on him. The FoS (not vote) is on Aura Guardian, maybe for more posts, maybe he thinks he is suspicious, but he doesn’t want to say that apparently.
thank you marquis for doing such a good job of explaining yourself. now that i know some of your reasoning my suspicions have been somewhat averted, and feel confident in unvote.
now you asked for some reasoning of my suspicions of ms. while i dont have solid evidence (again its early as hell, so we dont have much to work with beyond reactions), something about his post just raises a few red flags. first of all, from watching him interact on the forums, i simply dont believe he would back down from his "persona" if you will. ive noticed from previous mafia games and other non-circus maximus postings he is very stubborn. i simply dont believe because of some namecalling he decides to completely shift how he acts. then he keeps claiming how he is just vanilla town and not number 1 scumhunter, which is suspicious because a) he seems to be trying hard to convince us he is town, and b) by stepping down he is hurting the village, and despite what people may think hes pretty damn good at scumhunting, and i dont really see a reason for stepping down from that role. again i cant really put my finger on what specifically is tipping me off but i just refuse to believe he would step down if he was truly village.
by solid post by barty i just meant it was a well thought out, vanilla reasoning that i really didnt have an opinion on but just wanted to let him know it was good work. i was refering to his first post, not any future ones.
the reason why i voted you in my second post was pretty clear- it was a temporary vote that i would lift up once you explained some of your thoughts to me, hence why i lifted it.
ill go ahead and analyze a few other people while im at it
jalmont: seems to be panicking a bit over the lynches (probably because they were aimed at him), especially in the last post, but hasnt actually contributed much, which he attributes it to the game just beginning or whatever, which is a little hard to believe seeing as we have plenty of talk already.
celever: seems to be playing noob-cautious (STOP VOTING OR MAFIA WILL STEALTH!!!!!) which is a little weird because iirc celever has played in at least a couple of previous games, again still suspicious
marquis: seems to be defensive because everyone started lynching, im still detecting a bit of scum (ill surely be attacked because of this now), but he has enough pressure on him that im fine unvoting.
barty: looking back he hasnt done much besides make an informative post about whether to vote or not. the rest was just small talk that doesnt help the village at all. it seems weird to me that 2/3 post were stuff like "sorry ms" and "eagle is scum lol", when again we still have plenty of discussion topics
auraguardian: he and i are getting mostly the same reads, so i cant see him being that scummy. he hasnt posted much though (not a criticism because he posted quality), so i just cant analyze much
solar vapor: good knowledge of mafia but i would like him to post some more detailed stuff, he has posted 1-2 sentences a post pretty much. a little sketch just from a lack of posting but nothing outright suspicious. good on him for calling me out though (ironically i may vote just to get him to post some reads)
spiffy: fairly neutral/slight town postings, everyone seems to be riding his dick for whatever reason because he really hasnt posted much meat, another potential vote but w/e, and while i have other people to vote i do want him to post so more detailed stuff.
firemage:
alright then, vote Solar Vapor. Please give me a couple reasonable scumreads.
Well, wasn’t this part about Metal Sonic what I was saying, although I thought no one brought it up yet >_<
Now on the analyzes of him
Well the Jalmont part seems good, the Celever part I already commented on, as well as the BtB part, I can’t say much about Aura Guardian, I agree with calling Solar Vapor out as he didn’t contribute too much at the part of this post, now he says it, I do see that most of Spiffy’s post have been explenations, but I won’t think he is scum yet.
(yay the first BtB post that says something, although I’ll probably repeat what people said already, I can’t help that if I comment 5 pages after)
Of course, I can actually understand why you see my "passive backseat cheerleading" as an efficient attempt of, if I was a BB, to both clean myself and attempt to provide someone who ties the town together, and therefore leading into a role which makes it easier for a possible BB to both survive until the end and as a result, win while nobody actually would suspect me of being a BB. Of course, this is all hypothetical. The main difference between this and the truth is that I read nowhere in my role PM of being a BB.
Another of the primary reasons you have written for the suspicion against me is how I've not done "any interactions or pro-town actions of his own", and although the fact that my only mafia experiences are through the underground mafia and the StarCraft 2 custom game Mafia, I've not done much such attempts to make any sort of alinment analysis before. However, as an attempt to put my perspective on what I can see from the posts currently made, I will do my best to make one.
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Marquis: You did make the first post today, and with the clear intention of initiating either a mass vote on a single person, or to initiate a RVS. Based on your later posts (by this, I mean the WoT above this), I see that a RVS was your goal, and you did manage to make your view on the major posts until now visible. You have gone a bit defensive after the RVS-noobiness, but I honestly consider you a MC, although this is a noobs analysis.
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Houndoomsday: You have, in my opinion, made a strong vote early in order to attempt to get more information from Marquis, which has in its own ways provided some reading that I believe to be strong. All in all, I think that your posts do not show any BB traits as of yet, but as stated earlier, I'm a noob at this and its still early in the game.
I might not have made the most detailed analysis, and it is still early in the game, but I have decided to agree with you all. Making minor votes to be lifted after a response that can aid in providing more information on individuals seems to be a plausible solution at this point in the game. The people I'd like to have a response from would be Solar Vapor and FireMage. As Houndoomsday has already provided a pressure based vote on Solar Vapor, I'll go ahead and
vote FireMage, I'd like to hear what you say.
Finally, for all of you who think this might be a suspicious, sudden switch of my initial attitude, I'm still gonna provide a supportive role for us MC, but as stated above, we also need more opinional statements. I'm only trying to help us as a group.
Well first defending of mostly admitting >_< and afterwards he says Marquis had a vote at the start and that it was a RVS! That wasn’t clear at all (note the sarcasm)
Then against Houndoomsday, you say he did a good job at getting more information from Marquis.
And he gives some things he wants from others, btw, anyone seeing MS + BtB connection, I don’t know if it has been brought up, but they seem to defend / at least not vote eachother (remember this for end to ask for other reads)
By noob, I'm referring to myself.
I do see the point in what you say, and in fact, you're right. When it comes to the wording in my previous posts, I have been a bit of a idiot. And although I can easily claim to be a part of the MC, the only people sure are myself and eagle. My posts, made to attempt to unite the MC, have had the effect on you that it seems as a nooby attempt to clean myself from suspision. If someone like you, who seem to not have that many games of experience just by looking at your postcount, believes the latter to be the true story, what will then a skilled mafia player think? Of course, the posts are out. I made a mistake which can cause me to be mislynched at day 1. All because of the same reasoning you placed in your last posts.
Why, did you ask? Because I happen to be a noob, and as a result, I used the inclusive vocabulary in a way that made my position suspicious. Perhaps it would be smarter to go the "full short sentence noob way", although I'm sure it would make people like you suspect that I used it to copy from previous games, in order to clean myself.
If you consider me a BB, then go ahead. I've already done the damage to myself, and now all attempts of my trying to prove my innocence to you would only help increase the suspicion. Of course I can't claim a certain role, but I'll tell you this: If you lynch me, you will regret it.
However, if you don't lynch me, I will do my best in order to help the MC win this game. Trust me, I hope to win this just as much as you do.
I know I'm not providing any sort of direct proof that I should not be lynched, but trust me on this one; I made a mistake, and all I ask for is a second chance, which can in turn lead to a positive effect on the MC.
EDIT: I'm to go to bed now. I'll be back in about 10 hours, so please don't lynch me by then.
well BtB tries to make him look the best person as all he does is good, this is quite suspicious and he didn’t give any real reasoning besides I am a noob
Okay two things at the end for now
1. Metal Sonic and Barty the Beetle, please give detailed scumreads on eachother
2. I just realized this probably isn’t the way you meant, I came across a general small read on this page and I now realize this might be similar to a summary with comments, but I hope my comments are worth something, I thought you meant it this way. Also my reads might be the same as someone else’s one, but yea it is a bit late comment and I didn't look at other people's posts when commenting, anyway I’ll give immediate scumread oversight, but if you guys want I can continue this way till where we are too :)