It's actually really annoying Genesect is allowed to be voted on in this thread tbh, he was clearly more broken than Blaziken/Thunderus-I were, and I thought the whole point of limiting this to post-Stage 5 was to exclude obviously broken things. That's probably pedantry though, so I'll be sure to vote Genesect next round if he doesn't win this one
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The Top 10 Titans of the 5th Gen OU Metagame [VOTING OVER]
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And with that, the voting for the #2 spot ends here! As expected, this votes were all across the board. There was still an obvious winner, but there were a lot of differing opinons as to what should be crowned the "prince" of OU. Nevertheless, one Pokemon came out on top. Here are the results!
Dragonite: 1
Tyranitar: 14
Genesect: 7
Terrakion: 3
Ferrothorn: 2
Ninetales: 1
Latios: 1
Garchomp: 2
Alright the voting has begun! We are going to be voting for the #3 spot. You're not required to write any sort of description about your vote, but if you want to then you're more then welcome to. From now on, I would highly advise you to write a few sentences explaining your vote, or else your vote may be more open to disagreement. The voting will always last for two days, as I feel that is more than enough time to cast your votes. Happy voting!
Dragonite: 1
Tyranitar: 14
Genesect: 7
Terrakion: 3
Ferrothorn: 2
Ninetales: 1
Latios: 1
Garchomp: 2
Tyranitar is the Winner!
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And with that, Tyranitar has now been deemed the second most influential Pokemon on the tier, right after Politoed himself. There's no denying that Tyranitar has definitely had a significant impact on the tier since BW1. With new threats such as Excadrill becoming near unbeatable in the sand, to Keldeo and Landorus almost guaranteeing a sweep when partnered with Tyranitar, and to T-tar's amazing ability to trap some of the most dangerous Pokemon in the OU, there's no doubt that Tyranitar had a huge role in creating what is known as the BW metagame. If it wasn't for him, rain could potentially be even more dominant then it already is now. He's one of the biggest reasons for Landorus-I's ban and Keldeo's suspect, which is quite an influence on its own.2.
Voting for #3 spot
Alright the voting has begun! We are going to be voting for the #3 spot. You're not required to write any sort of description about your vote, but if you want to then you're more then welcome to. From now on, I would highly advise you to write a few sentences explaining your vote, or else your vote may be more open to disagreement. The voting will always last for two days, as I feel that is more than enough time to cast your votes. Happy voting!
Gonna have to vote for Ninetales for this one. It's pretty obvious that all the weather starters (barring Abomasnow and Hippowdon) should be in the top 3 since they're the ones that made certain playstyles viable. Teams are considered Rain, Sun, or Sand nowadays depending on which inducer is on a team. Ninetales was the fuel for Venusaur's jump into OU, along with letting other Chlorophyll users viable in OU. This is what made Ninetales one of the most influential, bringing Sun into the metagame was huge. Might write more later.
blitzlefan
shake it off!
Genesect deserves the #3 spot
and then afterwards i really want to see terrakion
Edit: I sort of lost track of what the thread was about, and it's influence, not power or brokenness or centralization that really matters here. As a result, I'm not going to vote for Genesect, but instead for Ferrothorn. It basically carries defensively-oriented teams this generation. Access to goodies such as Thunder Wave, Spikes, Leech Seed, etc. really make it a pain to deal with, and its typing helps it check Water-type attackers and makes it ridiculously hard to kill in rain. Lastly, it's pretty kickass in Ubers too! :)
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I can't agree with Genesect in the top 3, sorry. It was good, but that was about it; it had no huge impact in the long run. Like, take Rayquaza and put it in OU. It'd outclass both Dragonite and Salamence, wouldn't it? The metagame would centralize itself around Rayquaza until it was banned again, but that would be it and then back to business. Genesect was just a top level Uber that escaped to OU because of late release. I can't agree to put it above something that had more of an impact on the metagame in the long run.
get gene the hell out of this thread, it was around for a few months and left. like all the other broken shit.
gotta put my vote to Terrakion, which has consistently defined the metagame. it has been the premier role player of bw, revenge killing, sweeping, punching holes, and checking top threats. this thing was thought broken by some in late bw1. it deserves the #3 spot on this list.
gotta put my vote to Terrakion, which has consistently defined the metagame. it has been the premier role player of bw, revenge killing, sweeping, punching holes, and checking top threats. this thing was thought broken by some in late bw1. it deserves the #3 spot on this list.
jpw234
Catastrophic Event Specialist
Once again, Latios.
Nothing else does what Latios can do. It revolutionized the benchmarks for special attacking power, the requirements to be an effective special wall, and what it meant to be an effective revenge killer. Until Latios, there was no fast, strong special attacker with Dragon-type STAB. Latios is the reason why you can't just pack one physically bulky steel type. Latios is one of the biggest reasons that Chansey/Blissey aren't effective special walls anymore. Latios sets the speed benchmark for speed boosting pokemon and revenge killers to hit - 110. Latios is fast, strong, reasonably bulky with good resistances, and a metagame-defining attack in STAB Draco Meteor, and that's why it should be #3.
Nothing else does what Latios can do. It revolutionized the benchmarks for special attacking power, the requirements to be an effective special wall, and what it meant to be an effective revenge killer. Until Latios, there was no fast, strong special attacker with Dragon-type STAB. Latios is the reason why you can't just pack one physically bulky steel type. Latios is one of the biggest reasons that Chansey/Blissey aren't effective special walls anymore. Latios sets the speed benchmark for speed boosting pokemon and revenge killers to hit - 110. Latios is fast, strong, reasonably bulky with good resistances, and a metagame-defining attack in STAB Draco Meteor, and that's why it should be #3.
Monte Cristo
Banned deucer.
Latios didn't set the speed benchmark btw, 111 is just a really nice speed to have in a fast paced offensive metagame such as BW and BW2, keldeo, terrakion, latiAs, thundurus-t, garchomp, landorus-i when he was OU, etc.
will edit this post with my ninetales for 3 vote, don't bet on it though, I'm a lazy arse
also LOL @ LATIOS BEING BULKY, seriously, never use bulky latios, just use latias for that role, especially with you know a BAD defensive typing for the BW meta, ttar and dragons are everywhere, lets be honest, latios and latias have reasonably good if used right, but overall risky and high risk high reward defensive typings
technically the first data of latias in BW was programmed before latios (dex numbers and programmed time numbers wise), this is not relevant in any way, i just love that fact that it's not the first
will edit this post with my ninetales for 3 vote, don't bet on it though, I'm a lazy arse
also LOL @ LATIOS BEING BULKY, seriously, never use bulky latios, just use latias for that role, especially with you know a BAD defensive typing for the BW meta, ttar and dragons are everywhere, lets be honest, latios and latias have reasonably good if used right, but overall risky and high risk high reward defensive typings
technically the first data of latias in BW was programmed before latios (dex numbers and programmed time numbers wise), this is not relevant in any way, i just love that fact that it's not the first
Ferrothorn, by far. It is literally the face of defense and stall now, has tons of resists, and one of the two super effective moves against it is weakened by rain, the most common weather in the ou. I can't see how this guy didnt get second over tyranitar, although Politoed was an obvious first, but he certainly deserves third
Monte Cristo
Banned deucer.
ninetales fuk what you all say, sun was the best weather gen 5, after drizzle swim and exca got banned ofc,
(R.I.P. blaziken sun offense, you were precious to us ;-; )
(R.I.P. blaziken sun offense, you were precious to us ;-; )
Glad to see that Genesect is actually getting some recognition now.
Jukain, I hope you're joking with that Terrakion vote. He was king in BW1 but don't say that he's been even a tenth as relevant since BW2 came out. That's half his time in the metagame where he's only been "there" and not only not a dominant force but barely an afterthought.
Jukain, I hope you're joking with that Terrakion vote. He was king in BW1 but don't say that he's been even a tenth as relevant since BW2 came out. That's half his time in the metagame where he's only been "there" and not only not a dominant force but barely an afterthought.
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I have a big issue with what seems to be a very common opinion in this thread-- Genesect is NOT the most broken Pokemon to have existed in the tier.
I will agree that Genesect has been one of the best Pokemon to have had a chance in OU-- if only because of the ease of fitting it into the majority of teams. However--
Genesect the most broken? How? In what way?
When I think of brokenness, a more broken Pokemon is one that breaks a dimension-- forces players into situations where they have no way to fight back by normal means. Genesect did not do this to the degree of other Pokemon. U-turn does this to some degree, but really-- Genesect was a Pokemon without irresistible power, and usually could be played around with smart play.
Pokemon like Speed Boost Blaziken, Excadrill, Deoxys-s and darkrai displayed broken qualities much more strongly imo. They might not have been as good as Genesect, but they were more broken.
I will agree that Genesect has been one of the best Pokemon to have had a chance in OU-- if only because of the ease of fitting it into the majority of teams. However--
Genesect the most broken? How? In what way?
When I think of brokenness, a more broken Pokemon is one that breaks a dimension-- forces players into situations where they have no way to fight back by normal means. Genesect did not do this to the degree of other Pokemon. U-turn does this to some degree, but really-- Genesect was a Pokemon without irresistible power, and usually could be played around with smart play.
Pokemon like Speed Boost Blaziken, Excadrill, Deoxys-s and darkrai displayed broken qualities much more strongly imo. They might not have been as good as Genesect, but they were more broken.
I haven't seen a lot of arguing that Genesect was the most broken Pokemon ever in OU, just that he was the best Pokemon ever allowed in OU. I see how best=broken, but that's not the reasons (as far as I can see) people are giving for Genesect.
Ferrothorn
Ferro has just been consistently amazing, constantly countering rain (remember how Politoed is the #1 on this list) and dragons with its amazing typing and huge mixed bulk, providing endless support and just being the best wall around during the whole generation. He's incredibly easy to fit onto any team due to the ease with which he sets Spikes and the amount of prominent threats that can't break through him, he's just valuable in pretty much every match. On top of that, he pairs so well with other prominent walls like Jellicent and Tentacruel that there is little reason not to use him.
And as said before, Genesect came along, wrecked shit for a few months and then left. I think that to qualify for the top 10 a Pokemon must've had a consistently great amount of imact throughout the entire gen. Genesect simply didn't do that.
Ferro has just been consistently amazing, constantly countering rain (remember how Politoed is the #1 on this list) and dragons with its amazing typing and huge mixed bulk, providing endless support and just being the best wall around during the whole generation. He's incredibly easy to fit onto any team due to the ease with which he sets Spikes and the amount of prominent threats that can't break through him, he's just valuable in pretty much every match. On top of that, he pairs so well with other prominent walls like Jellicent and Tentacruel that there is little reason not to use him.
And as said before, Genesect came along, wrecked shit for a few months and then left. I think that to qualify for the top 10 a Pokemon must've had a consistently great amount of imact throughout the entire gen. Genesect simply didn't do that.
Several posters have just been throwing around terminology they don't understand without thinking.
I no longer feel like I need to write why Ferrothorn is my vote, considering my previous two posts. Even though Genesect will probably (unrightfully) win #3.
Said while supporting a pokemon that was only relevant for a short period of time in BW2.
Voting for Ferrothorn
Seeing as voting hat chomp again is probably useless, I'll go ahead and vote Ferrothorn. While Genesect was a great Pokemon, I wouldn't call it an influential one. Ferrothorn changed the whole play field. Literally. It single handedly fixed the very major problems DPP had between grass and water types (bulky water everywhere, grass types not staple or threatening enough)
Ferrothorn. For the reasons already mentioned... just imagine a metagame without Ferrothorn. It's really hard because Ferro really serves as a check for a wide variety of dangerous Pokemon and playstyles and it still provided hazards. For instance, some of the best Pokemon in the rain were categorized by if they could beat Ferrothorn, and unlike most Steel types it could take on a lot of special attacks and Water attacks while still managing to beat a lot of them or wear them down.
Ferrothorn is capable of handling both rain attackers and dragon types, two of the most dominant forces in OU (and even Ubers, though this isn't very relevant). Back in BW1, FerroCent was one of the best defensive cores in the game, and was essentially the face of stall at the time.
Frankly, I don't even understand why Genesect is getting so much support. I feel like the only reason it's on this poll is that unlike Deoxys-A, Darkrai, and Shaymin-S, it was released in BW2 rather than earlier in the generation. Scizor (or even Rotom-W) was far more influential as a U-turn (or Volt Switch) abuser.
Frankly, I don't even understand why Genesect is getting so much support. I feel like the only reason it's on this poll is that unlike Deoxys-A, Darkrai, and Shaymin-S, it was released in BW2 rather than earlier in the generation. Scizor (or even Rotom-W) was far more influential as a U-turn (or Volt Switch) abuser.