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Xerneas
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also, quick idea for switching in xerneas.
use a smeargle which has shell smash and baton pass and is equipped with a focus sash, this allows you to keep xerneas completely safe untill it is ready to destroy everything.
gives you full hp serneas with effects of a geomancy.
this works due to the fact that everybody in ubers will know that they have to smash xerneas while it is setting up, thereby neutralising the massive threat posed by a fully geomanced xerneas
use a smeargle which has shell smash and baton pass and is equipped with a focus sash, this allows you to keep xerneas completely safe untill it is ready to destroy everything.
gives you full hp serneas with effects of a geomancy.
this works due to the fact that everybody in ubers will know that they have to smash xerneas while it is setting up, thereby neutralising the massive threat posed by a fully geomanced xerneas
ShadowyKatana
Banned deucer.
Why shell smash? Can't you just Geomancy + power herb on Smeargle? I personally find the negative effects of Shell Smash contrary to Xerneas's natural bulk
good point, but as it is weak and will pobably get ohko'ed it needs the sash. your idea would work iff it had sturdy but unfortunately it dosent. :/
ShadowyKatana
Banned deucer.
Oh right xD forgot about that
Tail glow + bp is the way to go in that case. Only problem is xerneas is taking far more hits than it'll have to, in order to use this which would make it more priority weak.
It's a shame it doesn't get Swords Dance. A Physical Xerneas is an anti-metagame Pokemon that hits most Ubers in their weaker physical side.
So far, I see Xerneas as extremely predictable. As soon as it switches in, go into whirlwind ho-oh. There, you move-blocked Xerneas. What is it going to do? I doubt a +2 Psyshock will take care of the big bird and then it can easily whirlwind. Problem solved, Xerneas lost its ability to set up efficiently.
So far, I see Xerneas as extremely predictable. As soon as it switches in, go into whirlwind ho-oh. There, you move-blocked Xerneas. What is it going to do? I doubt a +2 Psyshock will take care of the big bird and then it can easily whirlwind. Problem solved, Xerneas lost its ability to set up efficiently.
Who cares about predictability if you can't stop it. A mon could be predictable and still be incredibly hard to stop cough breloom cough ekiller cough. Overall predictability isn't an argument whatsoever.
With your logic I could switch in cloyster and just set up a shell smash then screw yveltal with Icicle spuar
Of course, I agree with you. The problem is that Breloom needs no setup and Extreme Killer Arceus doesn't forgo a turn using Swords Dance. You can switch a phazer into Ekiller, but it will still hurt you very badly and then it can simply SD agaim after it comes back into the fray.
Xerneas does not want to use Geomancy without a Power Herb. He most deffinitely doesn't.
You make using power herb xerneas sound like a bad thing. Is it incredibly predictBle? Sure. Is it incredibly hard to stop? Also yes. I really don't see your point here. There are only a select handful of things that can stand up to xerneas at +2 and any competent player will only send xerneas in when they're guaranteed the free turn.
I was just trying to play devil's advocate. I'm trying to find some way to counter Xerneas, these discussion threads don't necessarily mean that we have to sit around and do a praising circlejerk for each pokemon in the title. We might as well try to find ways to deal with it, if only to help it know how to battle its counters.
Won't Prankster Riolu be a counter? With Roar? Even though I don't think anyone will run Riolu it's still an option :)
No. It doesn't even stop it. Copycat would imitate either moonblast or geomancy. Neither of which scare xerneas
I meant with Roar, so whenever Xerneas switches in, you swap to Riolu. When Xerneas uses Geomancy, Riolu gets switched in and on the next turn, Riolu uses Priority Roar to get rid of Xerneas.
1. Xerneas switches in
2. Geomancy and at the same turn you respond with switching in Riolu
3. Prankster Riolu roars Xerneas away
That doesn't work. You need to set up Roar through Prankster Copycat for it to work, and I think it was nerfed this Generation so that you couldn't +1 shuffle entire teams anymore.
Otherwise, Prankster Roar has still -6 priority, if I'm not mistaken.
Imho the best counter, if not the only one, is Assault Vest Heatran(Ho-oh is blowed away by Psyshock), which struggles to damage Xerneas and taking a Focus Blast. Maybe, if it ends up that every team is forced to run Heatran in order to beat Xerneas it could be time to ban Geomancy. Imho you can't really compare this to Specs Kyogre, which is easly revengekilled, or to Extremekiller Arceus, which hasn't only one counter(In fact, you can stop it whit Giratina, Arceus-Ghost, Steel and Rock, Choice Scarf Terrakion, Tyranitar, Skarmory, Forretress, Ferrothorn, defensive Groudon and Sableye).
-1 priority, but yeah, it still should have that.
why is xerneas scared of geomancy riolu again? =/
+2 252+ SpA (custom) Focus Blast vs. +1 252 HP / 148+ SpD Heatran: 290-342 (75.12 - 88.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
that's assault vest heatran mind you, without it heatran gets ohko'd by focus blast, and if it takes even the slightest amount of damage beforehand then it's ohko'd nonetheless.
It isn't. As a matter of fact, I'm starting to think this deer might be more unbalanced than I thought in the first place.
Probably has -6+1= -5. Still massively negatively, still going last. It might get priority over other Roars.
So the 152 def/252 sp.attk/104 speed looks like the optimal geomancy spread
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