Gen 6 SPL Ubers Replays

MMII · Jan 6, 2014

I'm going to collect the replays for Ubers from the SPL here so you guys can discuss it. SPL is huge for the development of the metagame so there should be interesting stuff in these replays.

Bloo also has usage stats for Ubers in this thread, which is cool.

Blim 8-3
Probs 6-4
aim 5-2
MM2 4-1
Sweep 4-3
Furai 4-4
edgrr 3-3
Manaphy 3-5
Kebabe 2-1
Dice 2-2
Hack 2-3
Bloo 1-0
TFC 1-0
Boudouche 1-2
Faint 1-2
Lust 1-3
Dr Ciel 0-1
Ezio 0-1
Prem 0-1
Tesung 0-1
Donkey 0-2
Ficcion 0-2
TGMD 0-2

Edgar · Jan 6, 2014

Thanks, this will be very useful when I get to play hehe bwoi

Haruno · Jan 6, 2014

Faint was doing nothing for turn 9-14 and in the end sacked his dialga just to allow his mega gengar a free turn to Mevo which wasn't worth it at all imo.
The match did show how pitifully weak lum ekiller is.

Overall it might've been an interesting game, but blim was constantly reading faint like a book but eh. Shed shell blissey was lulzy af though.

guanabara · Jan 6, 2014

Well, Blim deserved the win so much. In spite of having a better matchup, he outplayed Faint at the point it seems Blim knew every fucking time what his opponent was going to do. Some random things I didn't understand is for example the fact of keeping Dialga against Blissey, as Blim didn't lose anything if he maintained her until Faint made a switch. And lol, Shed Shell Blissey, too cool oO

Haruno · Jan 6, 2014

Chisposo said:
Well, Blim deserved the win so much. In spite of having a better matchup, he outplayed Faint at the point it seems Blim knew every fucking time what his opponent was going to do. Some random things I didn't understand is for example the fact of keeping Dialga against Blissey, as Blim didn't lose anything if he maintained her until Faint made a switch. And lol, Shed Shell Blissey, too cool oO

a quick interview with faint after the battle should provide some insight

http://pastebin.com/qdsGVhY8

Ash Borer · Jan 6, 2014

gengar vs scizor in theory was a losing battle for Gengar but he could ahve gotten the destiny bond at the right time with some analysis of the situation or luck. Lugia and Bliss can be weakened enough for xern to sweep as long as scizor was dead. It wasnt a bad win strategy it just didnt work. cant say I agree with that dialga sack after the toxic from bliss was revealed and revealing it had no lefties though

ssbbm · Jan 6, 2014

idk how bad taunt was?

if he taunts then he gets a 50/50 the next turn but if he doesnt taunt then scizor can roost stall his dbond so he'll be stuck in the 50/50 anyway? xerneas wasnt getting past blissey anyway

imo he should have sd'd twice with arceus the second time on lugia and gone for the favorable whirlwind though

Player-0 · Jan 6, 2014

Haruno said:
Faint was doing nothing for turn 9-14 and in the end sacked his dialga just to allow his mega gengar a free turn to Mevo which wasn't worth it at all imo.
The match did show how pitifully weak lum ekiller is.

Lum ekiller is a fine set, gary got caught up with blissey and lugia too much. I think during turns 9-14 he was trying to fish the toxic or was trying to see if blissey had thunder wave or toxic. I think that was effectively the end of the game mentally.

Also some of the double switches... lol. Those great hard reads.

Donkey · Jan 7, 2014

My thoughts on the match: If Faint brings in Mega Gengar on a turn where Blissey is forced to Softboiled or even SToss instead of sacking his Dialga (which he did because his moveset and item was wrong, he meant to have leftovers and Toxic) then Faint can open a huge window for Xerneas to sweep. On the turn after he switches Mega Gengar in on Blissey, if he taunts predicting Scizor and uses Destiny Bond the following turn, the Scizor is 100% guaranteed to die along with Gar. He could also double switch after bringing in Mega Gengar to Dialga or Thundurus to pressure Blim harder if he wanted to save Mega Gengar.

I think if anything this match speaks to the lack of viability of Blissey, and especially Shed Shell Blissey, since Scizor is generally used as a Xerneas check and sacrificing it to kill Mega Gengar requires you to run even more Xerneas checks, resulting in an overall weaker team. Blim's team in particular was very Mewtwo and Darkrai weak, especially if Mega-Scizor was removed. By using Blissey/Scizor in this manner you are still giving into Mega-Gar's ability to remove some of the glue off your team.

Also, Steelskitty, keep in mind everyone has bad games and this is the first game of the SPL in a relatively new metagame. The major mistake Faint made was not getting the 50-50 wrong (it's a fucking 50-50, you can't expect him to get that right anyways), but it was bringing in Mega Gar too late, which is not really a novice mistake.

Haruno · Jan 7, 2014

http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/oriserver-ubers-66612

discuss how probs 30cm wrecks shit up.

edit: donkey, problems was using a subcm fairyceus just fyi no idea where you got the idea that he was using ekiller.

Donkey · Jan 7, 2014

Thunder crit ohkos zong, also has para chance, and I didn't know sun was still up because there was no counter on my screen. I guess that's a misplay, but better safe than sorry. If Probs had ekiller, which I felt like I had to assume he did, my only chance was thunder critting the zong.There was so much absurd hax leading up to that that I don't really care either way.

The real story of that game is that Arceus-Ghost 6-0s.

EDIT: Another thing to keep in mind is that Bronzong DOES NOT check Xerneas by itself, you need another source of priority, which led me to believe that Problems had an ekiller.

And another EDIT: The sun thing didn't matter for people saying I was lying about that, I still would have made the same move in sun under the assumption he was ekiller. There was no real reason for me to complain about it, but I legitimately didn't see it on PS.

Hack · Jan 8, 2014

Yeah as donkey said above, there are indeed legit reasoning to assume E-killer on probs team- Bronzong will lose to a Geomancy Xerneas in the long run. However, at the point where he had set up with his Xerneas, Donkey should have let go of such assumptions and just hoped that problems didn't have priority. I can understand his frustration over the earlier hax, but at this point he still had a 70 % chance to win (he needed to Moonblast and then hit a Thunder) if problems didn't have priority. A Thunder crit also wins the game, but there was a ≈3 % chance of that happening.

I think this match shows some kinda value of holding yourself together when hax appears, and Donkey's frustration led to him not counting sun turns -> going for a 3 % chance to win instead of hoping for no priority (this chance can't be measured in percent but I'd like to believe it was higher than 3 %) etc. In the end the hax (sleep talk rolss, BS crit, EQ crit) gets donkey out of balance mentally and he doesn't care about his only realistic chance of winning when it appears.

Edgar · Jan 8, 2014

Both games were pretty mediiocre, Faint choking several times when he had an amazing matchup. Second game, Donkey not going for Moonblast and then Thunder, not to mention the crit on the Arceus-Ghost, that was complete ass. Problems is looking like he's the new Shakeitup aka -Tsunami- .

And Steelskitty, u aint calling ma nigga faint out, he did his best and if his best was chokin on dix then let him be!

P.S: I also saw u pm'd user LonelyNess to get a place in the frogs, at least faint DID get on a team lol.

CTC · Jan 8, 2014

Damn Edgar's 30cm onyx goin in on that steelskitty

PROBLEMS · Jan 8, 2014

i let u all down sry. . . .

I'LL BUILD A BETTER TEAM NEXT WEEK GUIZ, STAY TUNED!!!!!!!!

Donkey · Jan 8, 2014

Hack He Must said:
Yeah as donkey said above, there are indeed legit reasoning to assume E-killer on probs team- Bronzong will lose to a Geomancy Xerneas in the long run. However, at the point where he had set up with his Xerneas, Donkey should have let go of such assumptions and just hoped that problems didn't have priority. I can understand his frustration over the earlier hax, but at this point he still had a 70 % chance to win (he needed to Moonblast and then hit a Thunder) if problems didn't have priority. A Thunder crit also wins the game, but there was a ≈3 % chance of that happening.

I think this match shows some kinda value of holding yourself together when hax appears, and Donkey's frustration led to him not counting sun turns -> going for a 3 % chance to win instead of hoping for no priority (this chance can't be measured in percent but I'd like to believe it was higher than 3 %) etc. In the end the hax (sleep talk rolss, BS crit, EQ crit) gets donkey out of balance mentally and he doesn't care about his only realistic chance of winning when it appears.

I actually had a 100% chance to win at that point, Zong was low enough for 2 Moonblasts to kill it. But I had already consigned myself to a loss and didn't really consider the sun/think the numbers through, 3% is obviously not going to happen so I should have just hoped he had no priority.

Anyways, Arceus-Ghost would've been at 100% to take on Groudon if not for the Bolt crit. It would then easily beat Groudon with WoW (even the SD variant, since I was already +1), only takes 40% from Blaze Knock Off and can recover stall Zekrom and/or KO, potentially sweeping his team. Even with the Bolt crit, it would have still likely been able to beat the Groudon since lum EQ does not do over 50%.

faint · Jan 8, 2014

Player-0 said:
Lum ekiller is a fine set, gary got caught up with blissey and lugia too much. I think during turns 9-14 he was trying to fish the toxic or was trying to see if blissey had thunder wave or toxic. I think that was effectively the end of the game mentally.

Also some of the double switches... lol. Those great hard reads.

You are correct, I was hesitant on switching in Gengar because I wasn't sure if he was carrying TWave or Toxic. By the time he revealed Toxic I saw no reason in saving Dialga since as it was said a few times my set / item didn't save. Also, I knew immediately at the lack of lefties recovery he was carrying shed shell (otherwise he would be using Chansey) so for him to carry TWave would not have been a big surprise.

Also, Haruno, that conversation was in PM. It would have been nice to have my permission asked before posting it in public. While I'm not going to have it removed, it's probably not the smartest idea to post private messages if both parties are not aware of it.

faint · Jan 10, 2014

You played really well, Furai.

Edgar · Jan 10, 2014

furai is a threat.

Donkey · Jan 11, 2014

Manaphy vs LUST was a terrible game. Neither team was prepared for half the threats in the metagame.

Manaphy · Jan 11, 2014

Donkey said:
Manaphy vs LUST was a terrible game. Neither team was prepared for half the threats in the metagame.

you just can't handle amoonguss and scarf toxic

PROBLEMS · Jan 12, 2014

For all of you who actually end up watching mine and Blims match, two main points which contributed to the loss on my side:

1: Burning the Grassceus when I have 3 mons who can toxic it
2: GK crit sealed my fate, but you can't complain in a game where theres no crits in like 130 odd turns

great game showing the effectiveness of underused mons which create an effective core in the Ubers

Edgar · Jan 12, 2014

Problems said:
For all of you who actually end up watching mine and Blims match, two main points which contributed to the loss on my side:

1: Burning the Grassceus when I have 3 mons who can toxic it
2: GK crit sealed my fate, but you can't complain in a game where theres no crits in like 130 odd turns

great game showing the effectiveness of underused mons which create an effective core in the Ubers

I'm still the godfather of sylveon GG.

On the level though, if problems had switched into Kyogre at the end where Blim switched into Ho-Oh, Problems could have won by forcing Blim to sac Ho-Oh and potentially stall out Arceus Grass with Sylveon, gg nontheless you guys played pretty well, nice to see the first good ubers game in this spl.

Fireburn · Jan 12, 2014

Agreeing that Blim vs Problems was an epic game, shows that there is still a place for Pokemon like Arceus-Grass and Sylveon even with Mega Gengar running around. Problems probably could have won if he Toxiced instead of burned Arceus-Grass, as he said himself, so I guess the moral of the story is that spamming Scald/Will-O-Wisp isn't always a good idea.

Furai · Jan 13, 2014

holy shit that was an amazing battle.

blim had really hard time breaking the gastro/rock arc/sylveon and problems had no other choice than keep switching that core around, which is why the match went on so long. at the point of the crit i still believe blim had the upper hand.

if blim had used mega gar this game would've been over on turn 2 tbh

Gen 6 SPL Ubers Replays

MMII

Edgar

Haruno

Skadi :)

guanabara

Haruno

Skadi :)

Ash Borer

I've heard they're short of room in hell

ssbbm

Player-0

(*′☉.̫☉)

Donkey

Haruno

Skadi :)

Donkey

Hack

Edgar

CTC

Banned deucer.

PROBLEMS

AHEAD OF HIS TIME

Donkey

faint

faint

Edgar

Donkey

Manaphy

Throughout heaven and earth, I alone am family guy

PROBLEMS

AHEAD OF HIS TIME

Edgar

Fireburn

BARN ALL

Furai

we will become who we are meant to be

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