Other XY OU Viability Ranking Thread (B- and C+ Pokemon discussion)

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From a stall player, I'll take chansey ANY DAY over blissey/Sylveon or any of those other garbage clerics on a stall team. Chansey can take physical hits while holding an eviolite (takes less than 50% from Aegi's sacred sword) and it wish bombs all your other teammates. While it might not be "A" rank, it is by no means worse than Sylveon/Blissey in cleric terms... it is in fact much better than those two. Any competent player should be mindful to keep their cleric away from potential trick/knock off users (Knock off users are pretty obvious...) and even without eviolite, Chansey performs just as well as blissey does with little difference between their two defense/SpDef stats.

All in all, if you plan to drop Chansey, just remember that the only time Blissey ever even comes close to eclipsing chansey is on a sand team. Sylveon can't hold a candle to either as a cleric unless you badly need a fairy.
 
the only time Blissey ever even comes close to eclipsing chansey is on a sand team.
It's not even better on a sand team. Say both chansey and blissey are at full health and got hit by genesect's u-turn in a non sand environment

+1 252 Atk Genesect U-turn vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 214-253 (30.3 - 35.9%) -- 44.9% chance to 3HKO

+1 252 Atk Genesect U-turn vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Blissey: 294-346 (41.1 - 48.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

Assuming max rolls chansey is left at 64.1% and blissey will be left with 57.4% after leftovers. 6.7% difference
Now in a sand environment.
Assuming max rolls chansey is left at 58.1% after sand damage and blissey will be left with 51.4%. 6.7% diffference.

The myth about blissey being better in sand always baffled me because instead of blissey recovering 6% chansey loses 6% which for all intents and purposes are the same thing.
 
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It's not even better on sand team. Say both chansey and blissey are at full health and got hit by genesect's u-turn in a non sand environment

+1 252 Atk Genesect U-turn vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 214-253 (30.3 - 35.9%) -- 44.9% chance to 3HKO

+1 252 Atk Genesect U-turn vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Blissey: 294-346 (41.1 - 48.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

Assuming max rolls chansey is left at 64.1% and blissey will be left with 57.4% after leftovers. 6.7% difference
Now in a sand environment.
Assuming max rolls chansey is left at 58.1% after sand damage and blissey will be left with 51.4%. 6.7% diffference.

The myth about blissey being better in sand always baffled me because instead of blissey recovering 6% chansey loses 6% which for all intents and purposes are the same thing.
Blissey has Leftovers so it isn't losing the 6%
 

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I've made a successful stall team without Chansey or Blissey on it. I had MegaSaur and Sylveon, whose resistances are quite useful.
 
I prefer Blissey to Chansey, honestly. While the extra bulk is nice, Chansey is complete and absolute setup fodder. Blissey can at least fire off special attacks, instead of relying on Toxic and Seismic Toss. On a stall team, I'd pick Chansey, but on a balance team, I'd take Blissey.
 
I actually completely agree that Chansey's time of fame is over. Chansey is not what it was last gen. It can't take on threats like it use to from the prominent threats of OU.

252 Atk Aerilate Mega Pinsir Return vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 328-387 (46.5 - 54.9%) -- 64.5% chance to 2HKO

252 Atk Mega Garchomp Outrage vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 318-375 (45.1 - 53.2%) -- 33.2% chance to 2HKO

252+ Atk Huge Power Mega Mawile Play Rough vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 367-433 (52.1 - 61.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252 SpA Keldeo Secret Sword vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 368-434 (52.2 - 61.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252 Atk Adaptability Mega Lucario Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 752-888 (106.8 - 126.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO (pretty obvious)

252+ Atk Huge Power Azumarill Superpower vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 420-496 (59.6 - 70.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Huge Power Azumarill Superpower vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 632-744 (89.7 - 105.6%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO


Knock Off is also everywhere. One of Chansey's potential jobs is setting up SR but it can't do that in the face of things like Mandibuzz without risking becoming absolutely useless for the rest of the game. I don't think its as easy as making sure Chansey doesn't come in on a Knock Off user since a lot of things get the move such as Scizor, Mamoswine (holy shit, really!?), Tentacruel, Clefable, Venusaur, and Bisharp. While some of these things probably won't be running Knock Off (seriously, Mamoswine gets this!?) its still a huge risk to lose 50% of your bulk in 1 turn. Without Eviolite, sooooo many things are able to take Chansey out.

252+ Atk Choice Band Huge Power Azumarill Superpower vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Chansey: 942-1110 (133.8 - 157.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252 Atk Aerilate Mega Pinsir Return vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Chansey: 490-577 (69.6 - 81.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252 Atk Mega Garchomp Outrage vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Chansey: 475-559 (67.4 - 79.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Garchomp Outrage vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Chansey: 390-459 (55.3 - 65.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252+ Atk Huge Power Mega Mawile Play Rough vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Chansey: 550-648 (78.1 - 92%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Huge Power Mega Mawile Play Rough vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Chansey: 550-648 (78.1 - 92%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

252 SpA Keldeo Secret Sword vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Chansey: 548-648 (77.8 - 92%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Keldeo Secret Sword vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Chansey: 548-648 (77.8 - 92%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

252+ Atk Aegislash-Blade Sacred Sword vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Chansey: 476-560 (67.6 - 79.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252 Atk Choice Band Talonflame Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Chansey: 424-499 (60.2 - 70.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252 SpA Choice Specs Latios Psyshock vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Chansey: 388-457 (55.1 - 64.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252 Atk Adaptability Mega Lucario Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Chansey: 1124-1324 (159.6 - 188%) -- guaranteed OHKO


252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Focus Blast vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Chansey: 387-458 (54.9 - 65%) -- guaranteed 2HKO



I feel like this is the gen where over-reliance on an item could make a Pokemon a liability. Not to mention that Chansey just screams "Please set up on me!"

I think that Chansey deserves to be put in Rank B
 
Knock Off bullshit
I think that Knock Off is being overhyped right now. Yes...it's a fantastic move, but how many Pokemon effectively use it? No Chansey would come into Bisharp or Conkeldurr--that's for sure. Thundurus? Yeah...Prankster Taunt exists anyways, shutting her down. Ferrothorn? Please...Chansey wouldn't dare stay in and be seeded. Crawdaunt? What brain-dead trainer lets their Special Wall be taken out by a powerful Physical Attacker in the first place? Gliscor never had trouble against Chansey, Sableye never did, Scizor, Mawile just laughs the blob off...does anybody see a trend? Many Knock Off viable Pokemon are ones that already threaten Chansey in some way OR have a way to Taunt and run away. I don't get the Knock Off Arguments that much. Once again, Knock Off is absolutely fantastic on quite a few Pokemon, but don't use it as a basis against Chansey when most of the users already threaten her. Do I think she's A Rank? I'd personally argue B+, but that's just me.
 
From a stall player, I'll take chansey ANY DAY over blissey/Sylveon or any of those other garbage clerics on a stall team. Chansey can take physical hits while holding an eviolite (takes less than 50% from Aegi's sacred sword) and it wish bombs all your other teammates. While it might not be "A" rank, it is by no means worse than Sylveon/Blissey in cleric terms... it is in fact much better than those two. Any competent player should be mindful to keep their cleric away from potential trick/knock off users (Knock off users are pretty obvious...) and even without eviolite, Chansey performs just as well as blissey does with little difference between their two defense/SpDef stats.

All in all, if you plan to drop Chansey, just remember that the only time Blissey ever even comes close to eclipsing chansey is on a sand team. Sylveon can't hold a candle to either as a cleric unless you badly need a fairy.
Chansey can take physical hits while holding an eviolite? Do you understand the liability of having to depend on a single item to be OU viable? The constant threat of Knock Off and Trick is extremely prevalent in this metagame thanks to the buff and wide spread distribution. Any competent player should be mindful to keep their cleric away from potential trick/knock off users? So you plan on keeping Chansey in it's Pokeball until its all gone? Clerics are crucial members for any stall player and having to keep them in the rear in fear of Knock Off users is absurd.

But that's not even the biggest flaw in the argument.
While it might not be "A" rank, it is by no means worse than Sylveon/Blissey in cleric terms... it is in fact much better than those two.
Slyveon packs a solid 95/65/130 defensive stat spread with an incredible mono-typing in Fairy. (Resistance to Fighting, Bug, Dark and an immunity to Dragon). Sylveon has a very respectable base 110 Special Attack ; factor in the ability Pixilate + Hyper Voice and you have a cleric that possesses some offensive presence. 244 HP ev investment alongside its base 95 HP allows Sylveon to pass considerable wishes to teammates. Sylveon is crippled by Trick (but then again, what defensive Pokemon isn't) but could really care less about Knock Off. Without leftovers, Sylveon can still perform to the "t" of its cleric position. How does Chansey outdo Sylveon in any respect?

Even Blissey does better than Chansey because it isn't as Knock Off susceptible and can manage to damage certain Pokemon if it carries the appropriate move (Flamethrower, Ice Beam, Thunderbolt).
Chansey tanks better than Blissey when it comes to physical hits? My question is what business do you have leaving your Chansey in on Aegislash or Conkeldurr? That's honestly just asking the opponent to set-up on you or at least have a free turn.

I really am struggling to see how 3 foot gumball can outperform Blissey or Sylveon
 
Losing an item really hinders a lot of defensive pokemon. Lefties recovery is just too good.

You can argue that Blissey is as likely get her Leftovers removed as Chansey her eviolite.
 
@ NoahStar Uhm, those calcs don't mean anything. Chansey is a special wall, not a physical wall.

@ Tabuu Sylveon definitely minds Knock Off. No Lefties means it's way more vulnerable to passive damage, and it will get 2HKO'd by moves that wouldn't after Lefties and a Protect to get more Lefties. Blissey doesn't hit harder in general than Chansey with Flamethrower/Ice Beam. It also leaves you totally walled by Heatran, which is kinda ironic. Seismic Toss is overall much more reliable. Again, Knock Off isn't used by every poke in the game lol, and nothing appreciates Knock Off. I smell bias here.
 
@ NoahStar Uhm, those calcs don't mean anything. Chansey is a special wall, not a physical wall.

@ Tabuu Sylveon definitely minds Knock Off. No Lefties means it's way more vulnerable to passive damage, and it will get 2HKO'd by moves that wouldn't after Lefties and a Protect to get more Lefties. Blissey doesn't hit harder in general than Chansey with Flamethrower/Ice Beam. It also leaves you totally walled by Heatran, which is kinda ironic. Seismic Toss is overall much more reliable. Again, Knock Off isn't used by every poke in the game lol, and nothing appreciates Knock Off. I smell bias here.
all i smell is a dead chansey. Wait...

Chansey has fallen from glory. Unlike sylveon and Blissey, who may struggle but CAN function without there item, Chansey is 100% relient on its evolite. Loses that and it instantly becomes like UU. A pokemon that is so relient on evolite to be good isnt good at all in a gen where knock off says hello. Anyway, unlike better walls/clerics Chansey is complete setup fodder and can lose you the game right there.Of corse Sylveon is better, it can do exactly what chansey does but better, is less relient on an item, and most knock of users (The most common being Bisharp and Conk) are weak to fairy. Pixillate hyper voice hurts, preventing sylveon being setup fodder, unlike chansey
 

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Losing an item really hinders a lot of defensive pokemon. Lefties recovery is just too good.

You can argue that Blissey is as likely get her Leftovers removed as Chansey her eviolite.
There's a big difference between Leftovers recovery and a substantial boost to bulk. If you're attempting to argue in Chansey's favor, you're not doing a very good job.
 
@ NoahStar Uhm, those calcs don't mean anything. Chansey is a special wall, not a physical wall.

@ Tabuu Sylveon definitely minds Knock Off. No Lefties means it's way more vulnerable to passive damage, and it will get 2HKO'd by moves that wouldn't after Lefties and a Protect to get more Lefties. Blissey doesn't hit harder in general than Chansey with Flamethrower/Ice Beam. It also leaves you totally walled by Heatran, which is kinda ironic. Seismic Toss is overall much more reliable. Again, Knock Off isn't used by every poke in the game lol, and nothing appreciates Knock Off. I smell bias here.


The most popular set is the physically defensive set. Add that to the fact that the metagame is very physically based right now thanks to the special nerf.
 
There's a big difference between Leftovers recovery and a substantial boost to bulk. If you're attempting to argue in Chansey's favor, you're not doing a very good job.
252 SpA Pixilate Mega Gardevoir Hyper Voice vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Eviolite Chansey: 145-172 (20.5 - 24.4%)
252 SpA Pixilate Mega Gardevoir Hyper Voice vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Blissey: 177-208 (24.7 - 29.1%)
252 SpA Pixilate Mega Gardevoir Hyper Voice vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Chansey: 219-258 (31.1 - 36.6%)

252 Atk Aerilate Mega Pinsir Return vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 328-387 (46.5 - 54.9%)
252 Atk Aerilate Mega Pinsir Return vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Blissey: 450-529 (63 - 74%)
252 Atk Aerilate Mega Pinsir Return vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Chansey: 490-577 (69.6 - 81.9%)

One of the pros of Blissey over Chansey is leftovers recovery. Without items, their bulk is very similar: no special attackers are getting past them sans Psyshock/STAB SE boosted moves, and neither of them take physical hits well. And as common as Knock Off is, it's not a completely omnipresent threat that's guaranteed to make Chansey lose its item.

Assuming they do get their items removed, the only thing Blissey really has over Chansey is a semi-workable Special attack, but it's still really poor, and is only threatening to things that are 4x weak and have no special bulk. Toxic and Seismic Toss is just more reliable in general.
 
Relegate Latios to A

Thanks to Fairy, Aegislash, Greninja, and a host of other faster Pokemon, Latios's options have been severely cut down. Choice Specs Draco Meteor no longer can be spammed with impunity, as a Fairy switch-in completely blocks the threat. Aegislash OKHOs the poor thing with one Shadow Sneak, Greninja rips it apart with Ice Beam, and with Thundurus-I back in OU Latios is really feeling the pinch. Not being able to handle Genesect is also not doing it any favors.

Nominate Vivillon for D

Just cuz it's cute.

Nominate Entei for B+

Sacred Fire is confirmed, right? 100BP with 50% burn. Physical sweeping teams just went goodbye. With an Adamant nature and Extremespeed, it could work as a very potent sweeper; with a defensive spread, a solid tank.
 
Relegate Latios to A

Thanks to Fairy, Aegislash, Greninja, and a host of other faster Pokemon, Latios's options have been severely cut down. Choice Specs Draco Meteor no longer can be spammed with impunity, as a Fairy switch-in completely blocks the threat. Aegislash OKHOs the poor thing with one Shadow Sneak, Greninja rips it apart with Ice Beam, and with Thundurus-I back in OU Latios is really feeling the pinch. Not being able to handle Genesect is also not doing it any favors.

Nominate Vivillon for D

Just cuz it's cute.

Nominate Entei for B+

Sacred Fire is confirmed, right? 100BP with 50% burn. Physical sweeping teams just went goodbye. With an Adamant nature and Extremespeed, it could work as a very potent sweeper; with a defensive spread, a solid tank.
Aegislash can't OHKO Latios with a Shadow Sneak (though it comes damn close). Did you mean Shadow Ball?
For physical sets:
252+ Atk Life Orb Aegislash-Blade Shadow Sneak vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Latios: 252-299 (83.4 - 99%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

For Special/Mixed Sets:
100 Atk Life Orb Aegislash-Blade Shadow Sneak vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Latios: 205-244 (67.8 - 80.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Life Orb Aegislash-Blade Shadow Ball vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Latios: 382-452 (126.4 - 149.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

EDIT: Also, don't nominate a pokemon for ranking if you don't have a good reason for it. Provide arguments as to why Vivillon should even be mentioned on this OU thread.
 
The most popular set is the physically defensive set. Add that to the fact that the metagame is very physically based right now thanks to the special nerf.
That's a reason not to use Chansey at all. You don't take physical attacks as a pink blob. If you do, you're doing it horribly wrong and should be using something else, something with valuable defensive typing and physical bulk. Chansey has neither of those traits.
 

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Toxic and Seismic Toss is just more reliable in general.
It's a good thing that Blissey can run those moves as well then, isn't it?

Non-Eviolite Chansey and Blissey might have similar bulk, but the difference becomes greater when the attacks are more powerful:

252 SpA Adaptability Mega Lucario Aura Sphere vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Chansey: 356-420 (50.5 - 59.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252 SpA Adaptability Mega Lucario Aura Sphere vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Blissey: 284-336 (39.7 - 47%)

The difference here is huge. While Eviolite Chansey obviously takes much less damage here, itemless Chansey is 2HKOed every time. Blissey avoids the 2HKO even without Leftovers. The difference between the two is that Blissey is guaranteed to keep its bulk. Knock Off's effects on Chansey, in comparison, are disastrous.
 
Chansey can take physical hits while holding an eviolite? Do you understand the liability of having to depend on a single item to be OU viable? The constant threat of Knock Off and Trick is extremely prevalent in this metagame thanks to the buff and wide spread distribution. Any competent player should be mindful to keep their cleric away from potential trick/knock off users? So you plan on keeping Chansey in it's Pokeball until its all gone? Clerics are crucial members for any stall player and having to keep them in the rear in fear of Knock Off users is absurd.

But that's not even the biggest flaw in the argument.


Slyveon packs a solid 95/65/130 defensive stat spread with an incredible mono-typing in Fairy. (Resistance to Fighting, Bug, Dark and an immunity to Dragon). Sylveon has a very respectable base 110 Special Attack ; factor in the ability Pixilate + Hyper Voice and you have a cleric that possesses some offensive presence. 244 HP ev investment alongside its base 95 HP allows Sylveon to pass considerable wishes to teammates. Sylveon is crippled by Trick (but then again, what defensive Pokemon isn't) but could really care less about Knock Off. Without leftovers, Sylveon can still perform to the "t" of its cleric position. How does Chansey outdo Sylveon in any respect?

Even Blissey does better than Chansey because it isn't as Knock Off susceptible and can manage to damage certain Pokemon if it carries the appropriate move (Flamethrower, Ice Beam, Thunderbolt).
Chansey tanks better than Blissey when it comes to physical hits? My question is what business do you have leaving your Chansey in on Aegislash or Conkeldurr? That's honestly just asking the opponent to set-up on you or at least have a free turn.

I really am struggling to see how 3 foot gumball can outperform Blissey or Sylveon
Dear lord...

You understand that "Trick" as an argument is largely invalid as trick's prevalence this generation has gone down by as much as knock off's presence has gone up. Rotom-w used to almost always trick, and it was the main user. Now, Rotom-w goes Physically defensive and carries leftovers the majority of the time. The usage of megas and assault vest has neutralized trick's usage.

Then again, Chansey is the first pokemon I can think in thread that has been judged due to it's need of an item. How about AV Conk, band azumarill? For azumarill, someone even said "You wouldn't face an azumarill without a band, the calculations need that". No one argued that trick/knock off could happen there. Why? Probably because good players don't let key pokemon get tricked when they have a perfect counter in a mega.

Sylveon still is only passing a little less than 50% to most of the defensive tier. This, when coupled with coming in over rocks and possibly having to absorb an attack, makes any gain minimal. If you can get in safely while taking a wish from Blissey/Chansey, it is well known you WILL GET full HP. Sylveon is outclassed in the cleric ability. People choose it for the offensive use of Hyper Voice, I think, and perhaps the few resists (bug, fight, dark... Only two of which are common).

Blissey as an special attacker and cleric NEVER happens. Don't even PRETEND it does. She may run a serene grace set that softboils +2 attacks, but blissey simply doesn't run a special attack as a cleric. In 5th gen, blissey couldn't even KO ferrothorn with flame thrower, and it consistently does too low damage to even be threatening. You make prevent one pokemon per team from coming in, but you give opportunities to so much more who can take the special attack and allow them to set up/threaten any wish you pass. It literally just DOES NOT exist.

tl:dr Chansey absorbs hits better than blissey w/eviolite, bulk is null without. Special set doesn't happen when Blissey clerics. Sylveon can't make big enough wishes to dream of competing with these two as true clerics... Only run for some offensive mono-pressure and semi-useful resists.

Please. I'll rely on my own knowledge to keep chansey clear of threats it should never take on in the first place and use the superior cleric.
 
Dear lord...
Then again, Chansey is the first pokemon I can think in thread that has been judged due to it's need of an item. How about AV Conk, band azumarill? For azumarill, someone even said "You wouldn't face an azumarill without a band, the calculations need that". No one argued that trick/knock off could happen there. Why? Probably because good players don't let key pokemon get tricked when they have a perfect counter in a mega.
Because AV Conk and Azumarill don't even need those items, whereas Chansey HAS to have Eviolite. Conk can carry Life Orb or Leftovers, Azumarill can carry AV or a Sitrus Berry for the Belly Drum set. Chansey can't carry Leftovers, it can't have an AV, it can't carry a berry and getting that item that it has to have 100% of the time taken away butchers it beyond recovery. If Conk/Azumarill get KO'd/Tricked, it only hinders them, and it doesn't make that team slot nearly dead weight.
I get what you're saying about not letting them get hit by them in the first place, but don't compare Chansey's situation to something that's FAR less severe. Also Sylveon is better for offensive oriented teams since it actually has some form of offensive merit due to Pixilate Hyper Voice and mono-Fairy typing, but on balance and stall Blissey and Chansey are better respectively.
 
So is it pretty much agreed that Chansey/Blissey should be B tier at most? Chansey and Blissey are almost the same pokemon. They have the similar roles, same movepool, same face, and similar bulk. I don't necessarily think one is better than the other. It's really up to the player which they want to use. Comparing Blissey and Chansey is like arguing between Coca Cola or Pepsi. Everyone has a particular taste they prefer for one reason or another.
 
So is it pretty much agreed that Chansey/Blissey should be B tier at most? Chansey and Blissey are almost the same pokemon. They have the similar roles, same movepool, same face, and similar bulk. I don't necessarily think one is better than the other. It's really up to the player which they want to use. Comparing Blissey and Chansey is like arguing between Coca Cola or Pepsi. Everyone has a particular taste they prefer for one reason or another.
I would nominate them for C at most. This physical metagame is already a bitch for both pink turds. Furthermore, with so many set up sweepers roaming around, Chansey/Blissey is nothing but set-up bait. They've even become slightly niche picks on conventional stall teams and are only really used if your team needs something that can pass 350+ HP Wishes.
 
If you really asked me (I gave a some reasons on Chansey abit eirlier)

Chansey for C

Blissey for B

Another thing, mr Ajwf, is that conk doesnt NEED AV, like Jugdement Blade said. but chansey NEEDS Evolite. being so relient on an item isnt good at all.
 
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