p sure that isn't my fault but what's broken?
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Almost Any Ability XY (Suspect Over: Weavile banned, Keldeo Stays)
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Monte Cristo
Banned deucer.
It's not your fault, it just says all pokemon can learn any move, nothing's wrong with the actual code though, not even /learn is broke, just the way dexsearch is processing moves I presume
Have you not updated for a while? Zarel broke it ages ago but I fixed it in https://github.com/Zarel/Pokemon-Showdown/pull/557
edit: also this is totally the place to have this conversation
Monte Cristo
Banned deucer.
not at all, I'm just too lazy to actually VM you
Would a set using poison heal, will-o-wisp, protect and substitute be viable?
Water Absorb Gengar is a good Keldeo counter.
Truant and Skill Swap make a good combo, crippling your opponent and benefiting you.
Some ideas
Levitate Heatram
Sandstream Regirock
Drizzle/Swiftswim Keldeo
Levitate/Sheer Force Jolteon
Adaptability Mamoswine
Water Absorb Gengar is a good Keldeo counter.
Truant and Skill Swap make a good combo, crippling your opponent and benefiting you.
Some ideas
Levitate Heatram
Sandstream Regirock
Drizzle/Swiftswim Keldeo
Levitate/Sheer Force Jolteon
Adaptability Mamoswine
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Monte Cristo
Banned deucer.
Now that this is on joim's, and has been for like a week, I'd hope to see some more sets and conversation!
edit: I also plan to add a ton of stuff to the rankings
edit: I also plan to add a ton of stuff to the rankings
I think I found a terrifying set. Not sure if it works, but sounds good on paper.
Dusclops @ Eviolite
Ability: Normalize
EVs: 252 SDef / 252 Def
Calm Nature
- Skill Swap
- Will-O-Wisp
- Mean Look
- Pain Split
Ghost type with normalize + skill swap and mean look. 'Nuff said.
Dusclops @ Eviolite
Ability: Normalize
EVs: 252 SDef / 252 Def
Calm Nature
- Skill Swap
- Will-O-Wisp
- Mean Look
- Pain Split
Ghost type with normalize + skill swap and mean look. 'Nuff said.
I love this set, however 252 HP/188 Def/68+ SDef is a better EV spread, as it gives you better physical and special bulk.
252+ SpA Choice Specs Flash Fire Chandelure Overheat vs. 4 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Dusclops: 110.81 - 130.18%
252+ Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Crunch vs. 4 HP / 252 Def Eviolite Dusclops: 87.38 - 103.6%
252+ SpA Choice Specs Flash Fire Chandelure Overheat vs. 252 HP / 68+ SpD Eviolite Dusclops: 98.59 - 116.54%
252+ Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Crunch vs. 252 HP / 188 Def Eviolite Dusclops: 71.83 - 84.5%
252+ Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Crunch vs. 4 HP / 252 Def Eviolite Dusclops: 87.38 - 103.6%
252+ SpA Choice Specs Flash Fire Chandelure Overheat vs. 252 HP / 68+ SpD Eviolite Dusclops: 98.59 - 116.54%
252+ Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Crunch vs. 252 HP / 188 Def Eviolite Dusclops: 71.83 - 84.5%
Also, Seismic Toss can be used over will-o-wisp if you want to hit fire types, it doesn't affect ghost types, but ghost types are immune to mean look anyways.
More ideas:
Sap Sipper Swampert
Illusion on anything/everything
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Unaware Cresselia. Trying to hit me with the +6 Outrage that I laugh off? Have fun! I like Ice Beaming you!
Unaware? If you boost an attack on yourself, the boosts don't matter. Unaware doesn't just affect you defensively, it effects you offensively too.
So, say there is a Sigilyph and a Swoobat here:
Sigilyph has unaware, and uses.. idk, roost. Swoobat goes to +1.
Sigilyph then takes the same amount of damage with Swoobat at +1 than if he was at +-0.
On the other hand, if Sigiylph uses Cosmic Power.
Swoobat would do the same amount of damage to Sigilpyh at +1 Special Defense as if Sigiylph was at +-0.
Oh, for real? I always thought it applied to only the one opposing the Pokemon with Unaware...
...speaking of that, I fought in a battle with Unaware Bibarel with Bulk Up actually doing more damage after each boost with Unaware and my boosts wouldn't matter.
So are you really sure it applies to both Pokemon?
...speaking of that, I fought in a battle with Unaware Bibarel with Bulk Up actually doing more damage after each boost with Unaware and my boosts wouldn't matter.
So are you really sure it applies to both Pokemon?
Pikachuun
the entire waruda machine
It only applies if an unawaremon is using a move against a Pokemon, in which case the target's stat changes are ignored.
Monte Cristo
Banned deucer.
No, You only pick the ability of the original form
Like say I wanted a mega garchomp with sand force activated, so I used sand stream garchomp then mega evolved, sand would still be up, but my ability would be my mega ability, sand force
So you could do something like this, right?
Charizard @ Charzardite Y
Ability: Download
Evs: 4 HP/252 SpA/252 Spe
Nature: Timid/Modest
- Fire Blast
- Solar Beam
- Focus Blast
- Earthquake
Protean Manaphy is an option over mew. It has a worse offensive move pool, but it can use tail glow instead of nasty plot.
Protean Manaphy
Manaphy @
Ability: Protean
EVs: 252 Spd / 4 HP / 252 SpA
Timid Nature
- Tail Glow
- Dazzling Gleam/U-Turn/Coverage
- Surf/Coverage
- Shadow Ball/Coverage
Coverage: Ice Beam, Dazzling Gleam, Signal Beam, Surf, Energy Ball, Scald, Shadow Ball, Psychic
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Monte Cristo
Banned deucer.
People do know fur coat is banned right? Is this news to people or is the original post missing something? O.O
Victini up in this bitch yo
Victini @ Expert Belt/Life Orb
Ability: Protean/Sheer Force
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 4 SDef
Timid Nature
- Blue Flare
- Focus Blast
- Thunderbolt
- Glaciate
Just go in and spam attacks until you either die or are forced out. Blue Flare will hit for incredible damage and won't be far off V-Create's power if you have Sheer Force (Which doesn't get the boost). Focus Blast is a very strong coverage move and Thunderbolt/Glaciate are boltbeam coverage. Protean makes each move incredibly strong but Shreer Force negates Life Orb Recoil (And as such should always be with SF) and Makes Blue Flare even better.
Victini @ Expert Belt/Life Orb
Ability: Protean/Sheer Force
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 4 SDef
Timid Nature
- Blue Flare
- Focus Blast
- Thunderbolt
- Glaciate
Just go in and spam attacks until you either die or are forced out. Blue Flare will hit for incredible damage and won't be far off V-Create's power if you have Sheer Force (Which doesn't get the boost). Focus Blast is a very strong coverage move and Thunderbolt/Glaciate are boltbeam coverage. Protean makes each move incredibly strong but Shreer Force negates Life Orb Recoil (And as such should always be with SF) and Makes Blue Flare even better.
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Lucario @ Focus Sash
Ability: Unburden
EVs: 18 Spd* / 240 SAtk / 252 Atk
Naughty / Lonely Nature
- Close Combat
- Bullet Punch
- Flash Cannon
- Aura Sphere
*to outspeed Timid 252 Spd Mega Alakazam
Great Mixed-mon. BP for the awesomeness and a priority move. Aura Sphere for a never-miss mini Focus Blast. Close Combat for just it's match with Lucario and Flash Cannon as a STAB filler.
Unburden + Sash on a Pokemon with 70/70/70 Defenses and frail typing is great and since the base is 90, 18 EVs in Spd means Mega Alakazam is outspeeded without problems. A pretty decent set according to the tier, though.
Will add more amazing sets.
EDIT 1: Mega Terrakion y/n
Terrakion @ Focus Sash
Ability: Contrary
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 Atk / 4 SDef
Jolly Nature
- Close Combat
- Superpower
- Rock Polish
- Stone Edge
RIPs (pun intended) apart everything with Contrary STAB Close Combat/Superpower and Rock Polish + Sash makes that twice as much as interesting. Now, gotta choose b/w Lucario and this to add in my team as a Sand support + Fighting type Pokemon, as Terrakion and Lucario can both work great in Sandstorms as well thanks to their Rock (primary) and Steel (secondary) typings respectively.
EDIT 2: Also, did I mention this purely brilliant Talonflame set?
Talonflame @ Focus Sash
Ability: Moxie
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 Atk / 4 HP
Jolly Nature
- Swords Dance
- Brave Bird
- Flare Blitz
- Flame Charge
Moxie is like the best ability. Also, if you haven't noticed, this is the 3rd Pokemon I've posted in this post and all of them are Sashed. But still, Sash + SD and with 126 base Spd at it's max with the ability Moxie, Talonflame is like the death of other teams. The only possible stuff able to stop that is priority, and priority only!
Ability: Unburden
EVs: 18 Spd* / 240 SAtk / 252 Atk
Naughty / Lonely Nature
- Close Combat
- Bullet Punch
- Flash Cannon
- Aura Sphere
*to outspeed Timid 252 Spd Mega Alakazam
Great Mixed-mon. BP for the awesomeness and a priority move. Aura Sphere for a never-miss mini Focus Blast. Close Combat for just it's match with Lucario and Flash Cannon as a STAB filler.
Unburden + Sash on a Pokemon with 70/70/70 Defenses and frail typing is great and since the base is 90, 18 EVs in Spd means Mega Alakazam is outspeeded without problems. A pretty decent set according to the tier, though.
Will add more amazing sets.
EDIT 1: Mega Terrakion y/n
Terrakion @ Focus Sash
Ability: Contrary
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 Atk / 4 SDef
Jolly Nature
- Close Combat
- Superpower
- Rock Polish
- Stone Edge
RIPs (pun intended) apart everything with Contrary STAB Close Combat/Superpower and Rock Polish + Sash makes that twice as much as interesting. Now, gotta choose b/w Lucario and this to add in my team as a Sand support + Fighting type Pokemon, as Terrakion and Lucario can both work great in Sandstorms as well thanks to their Rock (primary) and Steel (secondary) typings respectively.
EDIT 2: Also, did I mention this purely brilliant Talonflame set?
Talonflame @ Focus Sash
Ability: Moxie
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 Atk / 4 HP
Jolly Nature
- Swords Dance
- Brave Bird
- Flare Blitz
- Flame Charge
Moxie is like the best ability. Also, if you haven't noticed, this is the 3rd Pokemon I've posted in this post and all of them are Sashed. But still, Sash + SD and with 126 base Spd at it's max with the ability Moxie, Talonflame is like the death of other teams. The only possible stuff able to stop that is priority, and priority only!
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Lucario: I guess 80% of the tier can take a hit from a set weaker than mighty Agility Luke
Terrakion: TR Terrakion?
Talonflame: Its counter is itself, which ends up killing itself at 1hp.
Not to mention Contrary is banned and even if it wasn't Contrary Rock Polish halves your speed.
That said, i feel that Magic Guard can be a neat ability on Talonflame, since it allows the bird to cancel recoil AND Stealth Rocks, which are the two biggest problems of Talonflame in OU. It misses priority, but there are better Gale Wings users, such as Staraptor or Honchkrow.
That said, i feel that Magic Guard can be a neat ability on Talonflame, since it allows the bird to cancel recoil AND Stealth Rocks, which are the two biggest problems of Talonflame in OU. It misses priority, but there are better Gale Wings users, such as Staraptor or Honchkrow.
Tied for second place for OM of the month! Hoping for this metagame to win for the next month or two.
Found another ability for Greninja that isn't completely outclassed by Protean:
Greninja @ Life Orb
Ability: Sheer Force
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 Sp. Atk / 252 Spd (4 HP instead of Atk if not running U-turn or Waterfall)
Hasty Nature (Timid if not running Waterfall or U-turn)
-Scald/Waterfall
-Dark Pulse
-Ice Beam/Blizzard
-U-turn/Extrasensory
With this ability, Greninja's Water and Dark STAB moves are even stronger than before and it takes no damage from its Life Orb! With the exception of Hidden Power, Grass Knot and U-turn, all of Greninja's previously viable moves are affected by Sheer Force and he can even now run a mixed set with Waterfall. Unfortunately even with 252 Sp. Atk, it is worth noting Sheer Force Greninja only has a 25% chance to OHKO Multiscale Dragonite. You probably won't find Multiscale Dragonite in this metagame, but this just shows the slight drop in power from its coverage so be careful.
Found another ability for Greninja that isn't completely outclassed by Protean:
Greninja @ Life Orb
Ability: Sheer Force
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 Sp. Atk / 252 Spd (4 HP instead of Atk if not running U-turn or Waterfall)
Hasty Nature (Timid if not running Waterfall or U-turn)
-Scald/Waterfall
-Dark Pulse
-Ice Beam/Blizzard
-U-turn/Extrasensory
With this ability, Greninja's Water and Dark STAB moves are even stronger than before and it takes no damage from its Life Orb! With the exception of Hidden Power, Grass Knot and U-turn, all of Greninja's previously viable moves are affected by Sheer Force and he can even now run a mixed set with Waterfall. Unfortunately even with 252 Sp. Atk, it is worth noting Sheer Force Greninja only has a 25% chance to OHKO Multiscale Dragonite. You probably won't find Multiscale Dragonite in this metagame, but this just shows the slight drop in power from its coverage so be careful.
Tornadus@Life Orb/Choice Specs
Ability: Gale Wings
EVS: 128 Atk/128 SpAtk/252 Spe
Hasty/Naive Nature
- Hurricane
- Knock Off
- U-Turn
- Focus Blast
This is a really fun set to use, and is a great revenge-killer. On PS! I nick it "Talonflame 2.0". Definitely would recommend this if you need a revenge-killer in this meta. Breaks through everything, but I need help with the EV spread. Anyone have any benchmarks?
Ability: Gale Wings
EVS: 128 Atk/128 SpAtk/252 Spe
Hasty/Naive Nature
- Hurricane
- Knock Off
- U-Turn
- Focus Blast
This is a really fun set to use, and is a great revenge-killer. On PS! I nick it "Talonflame 2.0". Definitely would recommend this if you need a revenge-killer in this meta. Breaks through everything, but I need help with the EV spread. Anyone have any benchmarks?
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