Togekiss can run FEAR. I actually did that when I was a n00b and wanted to troll with a FEAR team.
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Gothitelle doesn't get sleep, so yeah; Dream Eater is a good candle.
Calm_Mind_Latias:
a) why are you wasting Togekiss on a FEAR role
b) why are you running FEAR
c) Hustle and Super Luck are still outclassed on FEARkiss. I mean, hell - you're relying on ExtremeSpeed+Endeavor, you're not gonna risk 80% accuracy. Well, you might, because you're running FEAR, but you get the drift.
FEAR Togekiss is bad; Hustle/Super Luck Togekiss is a candle.
Calm_Mind_Latias:
a) why are you wasting Togekiss on a FEAR role
b) why are you running FEAR
c) Hustle and Super Luck are still outclassed on FEARkiss. I mean, hell - you're relying on ExtremeSpeed+Endeavor, you're not gonna risk 80% accuracy. Well, you might, because you're running FEAR, but you get the drift.
FEAR Togekiss is bad; Hustle/Super Luck Togekiss is a candle.
I used Dexsearch on Showdown and got
Abra, Absol, Absol-Mega, Aipom, Alakazam, Alakazam-Mega, Ambipom, Audino, Azelf, Banette, Banette-Mega, Bisharp, Chimecho, Chingling, Cinccino, Clefable, Clefairy, Darkrai, Deoxys, Deoxys-Attack, Deoxys-Defense, Deoxys-Speed, Drifblim, Drifloon, Eelektrik, Eelektross, Emolga, Ferrothorn, Gallade, Jigglypuff, Kadabra, Kecleon, Liepard, Meloetta, Meloetta-Pirouette, Mesprit, Mew, Minccino, Pawniard, Pikachu, Purrloin, Raichu, Regigigas, Reuniclus, Shuppet, Smeargle, Swoobat, Thundurus, Thundurus-Therian, Uxie, Watchog, Wigglytuff, Woobat, Zangoose
Audino, Deoxys-D, Ferrothorn, Uxie, Clefable, Kecleon and Meloetta stand out.
It's gonna be a lot of work to find absolutely every Pokemon that's outclassed or has zero niche in OU. Lopunny is the only Pokemon capable of using Trick+Assault Vest, thus it "arguably" has a niche in OU. Sure, you could use Luvdisc as a candle, but why use that as a candle over Happiny? Or Sunkern? Or the countless other stuff that no serious player is every going to use?
Hyper Beam is a good candle. [Arbitrary shitmon of which there are hundreds] is not. I don't think we need an exhaustive list.
For the same reason as roar Skarmory, roar on Hippowdon.
| Roar 14.422% |
| Roar 14.422% |
I guess I meant to say ExtremeSpeed was minutely viable (as small as the non-zero value of the cosmological constant) even if it is extremely niche. I never say any use for Hustle.
WebBowser: And how many of those other Water Absorb users get Perish Song, a move notable for winning last Pokemon scenarios against Pokemon like Calm Mind Clefable for stall teams and stopping Baton Pass chains, which are powerful enough at the moment that many users are calling for a nerf? Not a single one. Even taking into account other Water Absorb users, I could still argue for a niche for Water Absorb Politoed, regardless of how small. It is no more outclassed or outright bad than Flame Body Talonflame would be. Besides, the issue was never about whether something is outclassed. It is whether something has any competitive use or not. By that standard, if Water Absorb Politoed has any use whatsoever (even if it's outclassed by other Water Absorb users or DrizzleToed), it gets a pass.
How about the item big root? It's used often enough on pokemon with draining moves, but it is outclassed by leftovers. Also, if you use an attack/special attack increasing item, you get the added damage along with more HP from draining moves. I don't think there is any reason to use big root competitively.
That's the stupidest thing ever, but I guess it's technically a niche. Huh.
Super Luck is more common, though, and it's still a candle.
edit: oh, right - anything but Huge Power on Azumarill.
But
252+ Atk Life Orb Hustle Togekiss Focus Punch vs. 4 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 515-606 (80.2 - 94.3%) -- 50% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
I can't, what do people even think of.
Isn't there a special Sap Sipper set that beats both 'zards? Also, that Perishtrapping Whirlpool set w/ Thick Fat? [does that set use Thick Fat?]
Ditto actually prefers a speed reducing nature so it can win struggle wars against other ditto. So it does matter.
The PerishPool set is only run with Sap Sipper.
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-Not max HP EVs
-I'd argue flawless IVs--you should be choosing a Hidden Power, and HP Dark is dumb.
Items might have niches.
And Hidious, actually you want the slowest speed possible, IIRC, for struggle wars (recoil is the killer, not the attacks themselves).
Big Root probably has some niches.
Not touching Togekiss.
Taiyou, you're not funny, and you're not original.
Shiruba, non HP Azumarill has weird niches.
Sap Sipper Azumarill can "counter" both Charizard forms, or something.
Quick Powder doesn't. It only works while you're still Ditto. Does nothing at all on Imposter sets, and just lets Limber sets get a faster Transform.
There used to be a set people tried with leftovers or something... Whirlpool, Rest, Toxic? End of the day, it wasn't terrifically effective because the opponent could switch before whirlpool, but it did "Counter" for a short while. (I think Flare blitz at +1 just broke Azumarill). But Thick fat doesn't have much purpose as Azumarill already resists both Fire and ice.
Edit: I hate to continue arguing against some of these candles, but I was reading an uber RMT where the scizor held his mega stone and had Light Metal. The reason was just in whatever rare situation he switched into Low Kick (Generally, Weavile?), He'd take half damage. When you mega evolve immediately, it really doesn't matter.
This is an incredibly situational, unreliable Talonflame check, not a candle.
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