correct me if i am wrong but i don't think that your muk will fit on a trick room team as due to the turn limit you would want to do as much damage to the opponent as possible with strong attackers instead of stalling with defensive mons (which yous opponent should be trying to do).
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No, you're right here. Muk isn't a very good choice for a Trick Room team, because he's a solidly defensive Pokemon who usually beats enemies by grinding them down through sheer weight.
He's slow, yes, but Trick Room users generally want sheer power, unboosted, above all else, just because of how hazardous it can be to get TR in place and how limited it is in duration.
Muk can easily just get by against an opponent by being too fat to dislodge and stalling people out, grinding them down with decent coverage moves. Nothing wrong with that, just not right for Trick Room.
Much like Snorlax here, in all honesty. I wouldn't bring Snorlax to a team in order to have a powerful Trick Room sweeper. I'd bring Snorlax to a team because AV Lax has a serviceable 105 Base Attack and Pink Blob-tier not-giving-damns-ness about special attacks.
252 and it doesn't get wasted. It stops automatically when it reaches the maximum it can be trained.
The rule for lvl 50 is that IV + ev/4 have to be an even number or you waste evs.
My understanding was that, because the calculations are 8:1 for EVs and 2:1 for IVs at level 50 rather than 4:1 and 1:1 like at level 100, you don't need 252 EVs to max out a stat at Level 50.
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Okay so if it's 31 IV, then 252/4 = 63, 63+31 = 94 which is even so 252 EVs works anyway. Is that right?
spd would be useless would it not? i want it to tank phys hits and have a specially defensive mon for special attacks. think skarmbliss.
It wouldn't be useless. It is like when people run 252 Def on Chansey/Blissey and make it a Bold Nature, I understand what you are getting at how ever.
Mega Aggron's defense is so huge investing in it won't really change anything drastically. Investing in SpD, on the other hand, would.
It's irreplaceable, honestly. Knock Off is the backbone of AV Conk.
Rock Slide or Stone Edge could do, I guess. It all boils down to talonflame switch-ins vs. fairy switch-ins, i dunno if poison jab would do enough against fairies, though.
Sigh. You're probably right. Alright, I guess I'll have to find something to trade someone for a Knock Off Timburr.
You could try to run Payback if you're looking for a Dark-type coverage move, but like others have said, the sheer utility of Knock Off can't be found anywhere else in Conkeldurr's movepool. If you're looking for a Knock of Timburr in game, try looking here. He's a very nice, reasonable trader.
Since trying to find shaking grass with Audino isn't an option in X/Y, I like to go to the Restaurant Le Wow and play the Rotation Battles. With Lucky Eggs and Exp O-Power, you'll level up in no time.
so i should go careful or adamant with max atk/spd or hp/spd?
I do Rotation Battles at Restaurant Le Wow. There's no reason to train to level 100 though, you only need to get to 50 to participate in wifi battles. There are only a few exceptions for moves that are learned after level 50. (For reference, many moves learned after level 50 now can be taught at the move relearner in X/Y. For example, Volcarona used to learn Fiery Dance at level 100, but now also learns it at level 1. Same with Brave Bird Talonflame.)
This is how I train them:
(1) Level 3 EXP O-Power
(2) Lucky Egg on all pokemon that are being leveled up (you get one during the game in one of the hotels and you can steal them from wild Chansey in Friend Safari)
(3) EXP Share on if you are training more than two pokemon
(4) Front pokemon that does all the work is:
Mewtwo @ Mewtwonite-Y
Timid Nature
252 SpA, 252 Spe
-Aura Sphere
-Psystrike
-Thunderbolt
-Ice Beam
(Mega-X works also with a specially-oriented build, but it's better if you use a physical one.) Mewtwo is caught at level 70 in X/Y, and the pokemon you battle in Le Wow are mid-60s. So without any additional training, the cartridge's Mewtwo is still able to 2HKO everything I think. Regardless, if you do this enough, your Mewtwo will also level to 100 eventually, at which point it can OHKO everything with a neutral coverage move. If you find your level 70 Mewtwo is not quite OHKOing anything, then replace Ice Beam with Calm Mind. Set up one or two CMs and then sweep with neutral moves. (In some of the battles, at least 2 of the 3 pokemon you face share a weakness to one of the moves on this set, while the third is neutral.)
(5) Simply put Mewtwo (Mega-Y) at the front of the party to solo battle the entire restaurant. The next two pokemon get full EXP as if they participated (special mechanic of rotation battles) and all other pokemon will get 50% EXP from the EXP-Share. I also suggest EV-training your pokemon before battling in the restaurant. (The easiest way to EV-train is by using Sweet Scent horde battles with Pokerus. Even without Pokerus, it is faster than Super Training.)
With Lucky Egg + Level 3 O-Power, almost all pokemon (except those that have a high experience requirement) will get to level 49 or 50 by the end of Sweet Scent horde EV-training and one round of the restaurant battles. Max friendship pokemon also get more experience, so that is an option if you plan on raising their friendship anyway. If you have two cartridges (or downloaded copies) you can also trade the pokemon since traded pokemon gain more experience also. But Lucky Egg + L3O-Power is sufficient and likely all that most people will be able to do.
Before I had level 3 O-Power, I never had to do more than two rounds of the restaurant battles though. Each round takes about 10 minutes maybe (?), probably less if you have animations off. It's very quick. (Also note that since all of the battles are fought in succession, the O-Power will not expire until the end of the entire round.) This is also a good place to use Money O-Power if you need money for some reason.
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I would wait until the X and Y strategies are out because then you'll be able to see which movesets are allowed and fit together.
As in a tier list for every tier? Probably not for a few more months as there are lower metagames which still need to develop. I believe RU will be starting in the next few weeks and then NU a month or two after that.
So that means they are going to appear one by one ? if so that would be really cool actually, because then i can concentrate on building teams one by one for the tier instead of building teams all around the tiers.
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