Cong Hypothetical Week 1: Money and Sexuality

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Theorymon

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So, a few days ago on IRC, we started to ask each other a bunch of hypothetical sorts of questions for fun. Think stuff like "Would you rather swim through 5 feet of semen or walk through 5 feet of dry ice barefoot".

Now, normally, this kind of stuff is reserved for silly questions, but I think that these have the potential to be some good discussion! So, I'm starting a new thread series in cong: each week, I am going to ask you guys some tough questions that may reveal some parts of what makes you yourself, that you've never thought of before! Also, if you prefer less serious discussion, I have made a firebot version of the series too if you want to check that out!

Week 1: Money and Sexuality
You have been kidnapped by the government. You are told that you will be killed unless you participate in the government's sexuality experiment. However, you will be rewarded handsomely in cold hard cash if you choose to participate.

You will be forced to permanently change your sexuality. This doesn't just mean "Heterosexual and Homosexual", as sexuality is more fluid than that, such as being asexual, etc.

There are two people who can do this for you: The Scientist, and The Wizard. Just note, to make this thread more "difficult, I've decided to ban the option to become bisexual. Sorry if that seems insulting, its just that some people brought up that choosing to become "Bisexual" actually circumvents both choices in different ways >_>

The Scientist

The Scientist bases his/her sexuality changes on reason and current technology. This means that he is only able to force you to change your sexuality in several cases by implanting a device that will kill you otherwise, such as if you choose to become homosexual or heterosexual. However, in cases where surgery or medication can achieve the results, such as gender reassignment surgery or castration, he/she is willing to do that for you!

This may sound like a bum deal compared to The Wizard, but there's a reward for siding with reality: You will be awarded 100 million dollars per sexuality change. For example, if you choose to become transgender and change which sex you are attracted to, you will be awarded 200 million dollars!

The Wizard

The Wizard bases his sexuality changes on fantasy and magic. This means that The Wizard not only changes your sexual orientation, he/she also changes your sexual preferences! So say, if you choose to become heterosexual, homosexual, or asexual, you will now be attracted to whichever sex(s) you choose (or lack of sex)! Additionally, changing your gender will completely transform your body to 100% match the other sex. Choosing Asexual magically removes your genitals as well.

The Wizard is the easier way out, but there's a catch: The Wizard is far more cheap than The Scientist, and will only reward you with 100,000 dollars.

Really, the core of this question is "what would I value more in life, Enough money to do almost whatever I want with the downside of severe sexual compromise, or will I accept a real change in sexuality at the cost of only a reasonable amount of money?". Feel free to not give a simple "Wizard or Scientist" answer either. Sexuality is fairly fluid, so I expect some unique answers here!
 
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Here's my deal: I would actually chose the Scientist, and become a transgender Woman.

I prefer being a man, but 100 million dollars is A LOT of money. Money that I could use for good things like charities and donations to Science. I could find more ways to make more money too, maybe via stocks or something. Also, in this case, I think I'd probably still be sexually attracted to other women. Sure, I will suffer discrimination, but to me, 100 million dollars, and the happiness it could bring me AND others would override my desire to stay a man!

The trickier one part are the other options. I may still consider becoming homosexual or asexual for 100 million dollars, but since both options mean that I can't have sexual relations with women, the unhappiness in my sexual life may override my generosity and desire for money. I would seriously consider choosing The Wizard if I wanted to change my sexuality that way!
 
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[02:36]Theorymon is grill slang for anything
[02:36]Theorymon or is he seriously saying that he wants to become cooking equipment
[02:36]Theorymon (maybe he means girl)

I'm going with Wizard and asexual since it's the lowest risk/change for a high yield. Tmon had to edit this thread 3 times because I kept finding loopholes which is bullshit, Wizard and bisexual was the best option.
 
The Scientist bases his/her sexuality changes on reason and current technology. This means that he is only able to force you to change your sexuality in several cases by implanting a device that will kill you otherwise, such as if you choose to become homosexual or heterosexual.
I think the real question in this thread is 'can you decipher what Theorymon is trying to say.'

I don't like threads with two completely unrealistic scenarios, but I'll leave it open if it ends up getting passable posts.
 

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Errrr... does the wizard way have any side effects though? Or should I assume there are none?

At the moment, I think I'd rather the wizard's way.
It just sounds less dangerous.

Basically, with 100,000 dollars, you can earn a lot more by investment and it will be easy when you have so much to start off.
An easy way is to buy lots of properties and receive rent.
 
There are a lot of flaws with this hypothetical. I know it's a hypothetical, but we're starting with a misunderstanding of both gender and sexuality.

First, gender and sexual orientation are not intrinsically linked. It's silly to conflate gender change with absolute sexual orientation (i.e. in terms of what one is attracted to, not relative to one's gender identity). Many people also do not identify with a gender binary. Not to mention that there are many transgender people who do not choose to have surgery, or some of it, such as genital surgery (or have not had it yet).

Secondly, asexuality is not necessarily binary. Sex drive for most people is both relative and dependent on variables. A typical asexual person may not experience physical sexual attraction or the desire to have sex for physical pleasure but some may still choose to have it for other reasons or to masturbate.

Thirdly, to decide on a change, one must be certain one is actually changing, or the stakes are pretty meaningless. So the acknowledged fluidity of sexuality makes this a very difficult choice. Considering we are talking about radical bodily changes and the possibility of death, all I can 100% determine is that I am not heterosexual (or heteroromantic). So that leaves me with one real option: to become straight.

I don't really want to delineate the scientific problems with the scientist's ability, but I think it would be fairer if the scientist was able to do everything the wizard can, just in a different way.

Of course, we're also completely ignoring the complex intersection of romantic and sexual orientation.

And would I feel the loss of my previous identity or not? Would I have the potential of experiencing dysphoria or grief?

But taking this in good faith: there is also a third variable here, and that is safety. What strikes me as an important third stake here is the risk of death from certain choices made through the Scientist. The only logical change for me to make would be to become straight (or just give me cyanide). I do not really want to suffer the risk of death should I stray from this mandated heterosexuality (by experiencing attraction to anyone who isn't male? by engaging in sexual activity with anyone who isn't male? by engaging in romantic activity with anyone isn't male? What are the thresholds?), nor do I want to experience the emotional pain of it, so therefore I have to choose the Wizard.

But in terms that the hypothetical is framed in, money vs. sexuality, these are very abstract amounts to me... The only material thing I really want is a house. I don't need to go with the Scientist to achieve that, I can accomplish that in my own lifetime (hopefully), especially with the help from the Wizard. Emotionally, I find the idea of having my sexual orientation or gender identity forcibly changed distressing anyway, but I would rather live in a way in which I am free to pursue my 'actual' preferences (i.e. through the Wizard's magic) than through serious romantic abstinence (through the Scientist). That amount of money is too much for any one individual to have anyway.

Another consideration for other people to take into account is the dissolution of their existing relationships.

I do like the thread concept though (if not the actual hypothetical for this week) and hope we will see more!
 
I think the best option for me that deviates from being a heterosexual male is heterosexual female. I think anatomically I'd prefer vaginal sex even if I had to be the vagina, and honestly, I hear it's better for girls in some ways anyway.

I guess based on this scenario the wizard is the best way to achieve that? It's either 100K or have to make the decision to fuck guys myself and get 200M.

Theorymon's points about unselfish things I could do with the money ring true with me, though. I think I'd still take the wizard because I don't have confidence in my ability to arbitrarily change my sexuality, even on threat of death, and wizard seems like a more comfortable life.
 

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I would definitely take death, which is 100% an option here. Either getting a new body or becoming rich as all hell are huge changes one makes to their life, and honestly trying to adapt to such a change would be worse than not having the change in my opinion, anyway.
 
I mean, everyone saying they want to become a hot girl is ridiculously oversimplifying it

P.S. It's way easier for guys to achieve orgasm through conventional PiV, wtf. Learn about sex from somewhere that isn't porn/high schoolers bragging
 

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Here's how I see it, every human no matter what your beliefs of free will are has the moral obligation to contribute something to this world, a second inflection on that point is that each person has the obligation to increase the magnitude of their contribution by as much as possible.

In this situation my choice would be the scientist without a second thought. The thought of 200 million dollars at my disposal for anything I choose is an amazing offer in exchange for just two major changes to me and my being. I would of course set aside an amount for my own use, to support a family and live a comfortable life (probably 7 million). Another portion of this money would be reinvested to have a large, sustainable cash flow which would then be used in conjunction with the remaining money to better the world through various charitable operations such as major advances in clean water availability throughout poverty and war-stricken regions, also educational programs to improve the quality of education around the world at the moment etc...

tl;dr I would change my gender and sexuality to get 200 million dollars to better the world through various charitable ventures.
 

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Seriously though, I'm having a bit of trouble understanding the question. If the wizard option means guy who likes girls --> girl who likes guys and it was done in such a way that the social stigmatism wouldn't haunt me then I'd be down.
 
Changing from 2D to 3DPD would be rough, but the ca$h that I could use to better the world would be worth it.

Also if I was a girl like 6 months ago I'm almost certain I would have gotten into MIT or some Ivy, boosting my expected initial out of college salary by a lot without the assistance of magical gender wizards.
 

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Also if I was a girl like 6 months ago I'm almost certain I would have gotten into MIT or some Ivy, boosting my expected initial out of college salary by a lot without the assistance of magical gender wizards.
Guys actually benefit from affirmative action more than girls; if students' test scores/grades were evaluated entirely equally across gender, then girls would be accepted significantly more than guys, as girls seem to get better grades/test scores... so colleges will tend to accept slightly lower-scoring guys.

([citation needed], i know)
 
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