Gen 3 General Ubers Generation 3 Discussion

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Ubers Generation Three​

(Theorymon edit: The original OP is in the hide tag below)

Original Post

I think RSE ubers is a pretty fun tier, but it gets no attention. I still like modern ubers, but the influx of strange threats like xerneas, genesect, and arceus in later generations distorts the tier and takes away from its older values of building an excellent team and having long and strategic battles. I haven't had that many matches myself, but I'd really like to have more. If this thread gets some activity I'll see if the mods will let me organize stuff for RSE ubers like a mini tourney. What you should post is stuff about cores, mons that you think are good, good sets etc.

I'll be on the old gens room a lot and willing to play.

UBERS!!!

Wannabe Ubers.

Welcome to the general generation 3 discussion thread! Generation 3 brought forth a LOT of mechanics that we take for granted today, such as the EV system and Abilities. However, because it was a transitional generation of sorts, there are still some pretty serious mechanical changes compared to Generation 6!

Special thanks to:

Goddess Briyella for grammar checking these threads!
Fusxfaranto for compiling the Pokémon, Move, Ability, and Item lists!

Pokémon, Moves, Items, and Abilities that don't exist in this Generation

In the hide tags below are the Pokémon, Items, and Abilities that did NOT exist in this generation. Use your computer's find function if you can. If you find the Pokémon, Move, or Ability you are looking for, then it doesn't exist in Gen 3!

Pokémon that don't exist in Gen 3

Abomasnow
Accelgor
Aegislash
Alomomola
Amaura
Ambipom
Amoonguss
Arceus
Archen
Archeops
Aromatisse
Audino
Aurorus
Avalugg
Axew
Azelf
Barbaracle
Basculin
Bastiodon
Beartic
Beheeyem
Bergmite
Bibarel
Bidoof
Binacle
Bisharp
Blitzle
Boldore
Bonsly
Bouffalant
Braixen
Braviary
Bronzong
Bronzor
Budew
Buizel
Buneary
Bunnelby
Burmy
Carbink
Carnivine
Carracosta
Chandelure
Chatot
Cherrim
Cherubi
Chesnaught
Chespin
Chimchar
Chingling
Cinccino
Clauncher
Clawitzer
Cobalion
Cofagrigus
Combee
Conkeldurr
Cottonee
Cranidos
Cresselia
Croagunk
Crustle
Cryogonal
Cubchoo
Darkrai
Darmanitan
Darumaka
Dedenne
Deerling
Deino
Delphox
Dewott
Dialga
Diancie
Diggersby
Doublade
Dragalge
Drapion
Drifblim
Drifloon
Drilbur
Druddigon
Ducklett
Duosion
Durant
Dusknoir
Dwebble
Eelektrik
Eelektross
Electivire
Elgyem
Emboar
Emolga
Empoleon
Escavalier
Espurr
Excadrill
Fennekin
Ferroseed
Ferrothorn
Finneon
Flabebe
Fletchinder
Fletchling
Floatzel
Floette
Florges
Foongus
Fraxure
Frillish
Froakie
Frogadier
Froslass
Furfrou
Gabite
Gallade
Galvantula
Garbodor
Garchomp
Gastrodon
Genesect
Gible
Gigalith
Giratina
Glaceon
Glameow
Gliscor
Gogoat
Golett
Golurk
Goodra
Goomy
Gothita
Gothitelle
Gothorita
Gourgeist
Greninja
Grotle
Gurdurr
Happiny
Hawlucha
Haxorus
Heatmor
Heatran
Heliolisk
Helioptile
Herdier
Hippopotas
Hippowdon
Honchkrow
Honedge
Hydreigon
Infernape
Inkay
Jellicent
Joltik
Karrablast
Keldeo
Klang
Klefki
Klink
Klinklang
Kricketot
Kricketune
Krokorok
Krookodile
Kyurem
Lampent
Landorus
Larvesta
Leafeon
Leavanny
Lickilicky
Liepard
Lilligant
Lillipup
Litleo
Litwick
Lopunny
Lucario
Lumineon
Luxio
Luxray
Magmortar
Magnezone
Malamar
Mamoswine
Manaphy
Mandibuzz
Mantyke
Maractus
Meloetta
Meowstic
Mesprit
Mienfoo
Mienshao
Mime Jr.
Minccino
Mismagius
Monferno
Mothim
Munchlax
Munna
Musharna
Noibat
Noivern
Oshawott
Pachirisu
Palkia
Palpitoad
Pancham
Pangoro
Panpour
Pansage
Pansear
Patrat
Pawniard
Petilil
Phantump
Phione
Pidove
Pignite
Piplup
Porygon-Z
Prinplup
Probopass
Pumpkaboo
Purrloin
Purugly
Pyroar
Quilladin
Rampardos
Regigigas
Reshiram
Reuniclus
Rhyperior
Riolu
Roggenrola
Roserade
Rotom
Rufflet
Samurott
Sandile
Sawk
Sawsbuck
Scatterbug
Scolipede
Scrafty
Scraggy
Seismitoad
Serperior
Servine
Sewaddle
Shaymin
Shellos
Shelmet
Shieldon
Shinx
Sigilyph
Simipour
Simisage
Simisear
Skiddo
Skorupi
Skrelp
Skuntank
Sliggoo
Slurpuff
Snivy
Snover
Solosis
Spewpa
Spiritomb
Spritzee
Staraptor
Staravia
Starly
Stoutland
Stunfisk
Stunky
Swadloon
Swanna
Swirlix
Swoobat
Sylveon
Talonflame
Tangrowth
Tepig
Terrakion
Throh
Thundurus
Timburr
Tirtouga
Togekiss
Tornadus
Torterra
Toxicroak
Tranquill
Trevenant
Trubbish
Turtwig
Tympole
Tynamo
Tyrantrum
Tyrunt
Unfezant
Uxie
Vanillish
Vanillite
Vanilluxe
Venipede
Vespiquen
Victini
Virizion
Vivillon
Volcarona
Vullaby
Watchog
Weavile
Whimsicott
Whirlipede
Woobat
Wormadam
Xerneas
Yamask
Yanmega
Yveltal
Zebstrika
Zekrom
Zoroark
Zorua
Zweilous
Zygarde

Moves that don't exist in Gen 3

Acid Spray
Acrobatics
Acupressure
After You
Air Slash
Ally Switch
Aqua Jet
Aqua Ring
Aqua Tail
Aromatic Mist
Assurance
Attack Order
Aura Sphere
Autotomize
Avalanche
Baby-Doll Eyes
Belch
Bestow
Blue Flare
Bolt Strike
Boomburst
Brave Bird
Brine
Bug Bite
Bug Buzz
Bulldoze
Bullet Punch
Captivate
Celebrate
Charge Beam
Chatter
Chip Away
Circle Throw
Clear Smog
Close Combat
Coil
Confide
Copycat
Cotton Guard
Crafty Shield
Cross Poison
Crush Grip
Dark Pulse
Dark Void
Dazzling Gleam
Defend Order
Defog
Diamond Storm
Disarming Voice
Discharge
Double Hit
Draco Meteor
Dragon Pulse
Dragon Rush
Dragon Tail
Draining Kiss
Drain Punch
Drill Run
Dual Chop
Earth Power
Echoed Voice
Eerie Impulse
Electric Terrain
Electrify
Electro Ball
Electroweb
Embargo
Energy Ball
Entrainment
Fairy Lock
Fairy Wind
Feint
Fell Stinger
Fiery Dance
Final Gambit
Fire Fang
Fire Pledge
Flame Burst
Flame Charge
Flare Blitz
Flash Cannon
Fling
Flower Shield
Flying Press
Focus Blast
Force Palm
Forest's Curse
Foul Play
Freeze-Dry
Freeze Shock
Frost Breath
Fusion Bolt
Fusion Flare
Gastro Acid
Gear Grind
Geomancy
Giga Impact
Glaciate
Grass Knot
Grass Pledge
Grassy Terrain
Gravity
Guard Split
Guard Swap
Gunk Shot
Gyro Ball
Hammer Arm
Happy Hour
Head Charge
Head Smash
Heal Block
Healing Wish
Heal Order
Heal Pulse
Heart Stamp
Heart Swap
Heat Crash
Heavy Slam
Hex
Hold Back
Hone Claws
Horn Leech
Hurricane
Ice Burn
Ice Fang
Ice Shard
Icicle Crash
Incinerate
Inferno
Infestation
Ion Deluge
Iron Head
Judgment
King's Shield
Land's Wrath
Last Resort
Lava Plume
Leaf Storm
Leaf Tornado
Low Sweep
Lucky Chant
Lunar Dance
Magic Room
Magma Storm
Magnet Bomb
Magnetic Flux
Magnet Rise
Mat Block
Me First
Metal Burst
Miracle Eye
Mirror Shot
Misty Terrain
Moonblast
Mud Bomb
Mystical Fire
Nasty Plot
Natural Gift
Night Daze
Night Slash
Noble Roar
Nuzzle
Oblivion Wing
Ominous Wind
Parabolic Charge
Parting Shot
Payback
Petal Blizzard
Phantom Force
Play Nice
Play Rough
Pluck
Poison Jab
Powder
Power-Up Punch
Power Gem
Power Split
Power Swap
Power Trick
Power Whip
Psycho Cut
Psycho Shift
Psyshock
Psystrike
Punishment
Quash
Quick Guard
Quiver Dance
Rage Powder
Razor Shell
Reflect Type
Relic Song
Retaliate
Roar Of Time
Rock Climb
Rock Polish
Rock Wrecker
Roost
Rototiller
Round
Sacred Sword
Scald
Searing Shot
Secret Sword
Seed Bomb
Seed Flare
Shadow Claw
Shadow Force
Shadow Sneak
Shell Smash
Shift Gear
Simple Beam
Sky Drop
Sludge Wave
Smack Down
Snarl
Soak
Spacial Rend
Spiky Shield
Stealth Rock
Steamroller
Sticky Web
Stone Edge
Stored Power
Storm Throw
Struggle Bug
Sucker Punch
Switcheroo
Synchronoise
Tail Slap
Tailwind
Techno Blast
Telekinesis
Thunder Fang
Topsy-Turvy
Toxic Spikes
Trick-Or-Treat
Trick Room
Trump Card
U-Turn
V-Create
Vacuum Wave
Venom Drench
Venoshock
Volt Switch
Wake-Up Slap
Water Pledge
Water Shuriken
Wide Guard
Wild Charge
Wonder Room
Wood Hammer
Work Up
Worry Seed
Wring Out
X-Scissor
Zen Headbutt

Abilities that don't exist in Gen 3

Adaptability
Aerilate
Aftermath
Analytic
Anger Point
Anticipation
Aroma Veil
Aura Break
Bad Dreams
Big Pecks
Bulletproof
Cheek Pouch
Competitive
Contrary
Cursed Body
Dark Aura
Defeatist
Defiant
Download
Dry Skin
Fairy Aura
Filter
Flare Boost
Flower Gift
Flower Veil
Forewarn
Friend Guard
Frisk
Fur Coat
Gale Wings
Gluttony
Gooey
Grass Pelt
Harvest
Healer
Heatproof
Heavy Metal
Honey Gather
Hydration
Ice Body
Illusion
Imposter
Infiltrator
Iron Barbs
Iron Fist
Justified
Klutz
Leaf Guard
Light Metal
Magic Bounce
Magic Guard
Magician
Mega Launcher
Mold Breaker
Moody
Motor Drive
Moxie
Multiscale
Multitype
Mummy
No Guard
Normalize
Overcoat
Parental Bond
Pickpocket
Pixilate
Poison Heal
Poison Touch
Prankster
Protean
Quick Feet
Rattled
Reckless
Refrigerate
Regenerator
Rivalry
Sand Force
Sand Rush
Sap Sipper
Scrappy
Sheer Force
Simple
Skill Link
Slow Start
Sniper
Snow Cloak
Snow Warning
Solar Power
Solid Rock
Stall
Stance Change
Steadfast
Storm Drain
Strong Jaw
Super Luck
Sweet Veil
Symbiosis
Tangled Feet
Technician
Telepathy
Teravolt
Tinted Lens
Tough Claws
Toxic Boost
Turboblaze
Unaware
Unburden
Unnerve
Victory Star
Weak Armor
Wonder Skin
Zen Mode

Items that don't exist in Gen 3

Every single Mega Evolution stone, Type Plate, Resist Berry, and Genesect Drive
Absorb Bulb
Adamant Orb
Air Balloon
Assault Vest
Big Root
Binding Band
Black Sludge
Cell Battery
Choice Scarf
Choice Specs
Damp Rock
Destiny Knot
Eject Button
Eviolite
Flame Orb
Float Stone
Focus Sash
Full Incense
Grip Claw
Griseous Orb
Heat Rock
Icy Rock
Iron Ball
Kee Berry
Lagging Tail
Life Orb
Light Clay
Luck Incense
Luminous Moss
Lustrous Orb
Maranga Berry
Metronome
Muscle Band
Odd Incense
Pixie Plate
Power Anklet
Power Band
Power Belt
Power Bracer
Power Herb
Power Lens
Power Weight
Quick Powder
Razor Claw
Razor Fang
Red Card
Ring Target
Rock Incense
Rocky Helmet
Rose Incense
Safety Goggles
Shed Shell
Smooth Rock
Snowball
Sticky Barb
Toxic Orb
Wave Incense
Weakness Policy
Wide Lens
Wise Glasses
Zoom Lens

Physical and Special Attacks

Unlike the 3 generations after it, Generation 3 does not categorize if a move is physical or special individually. Instead, a move is physical or special depending on what type it is! Here are the types and what attack stat they correspond to! This is especially important in Hidden Power's case. Unlike latter generations, Hidden Power here can can be physical or special depending on which type it is.

Physical

Bug
Fighting
Flying
Ghost
Ground
Normal
Poison
Rock
Steel

Special

Dark
Dragon
Electric
Fire
Grass
Ice
Psychic
Water

The lack of Hidden Abilities

Hidden Abilities were introduced in Generation 5, meaning that a lot of Pokémon lose significant abilities in Generations 3! Pretty much all the relevant ones aren't Generation 3 abilities, with one big exception: Poor Blaziken loses Speed Boost!

KO mechanics

In Generation 3, after a KO, the next Pokémon is switched in BEFORE the turn is over. This means that your next Pokémon will take damage from Sandstorm or Hail before the turn is even over (Sorry, Shedinja!). This is especially big in Doubles because of things like Explosion abuse.

Typing Changes

Fairy-types didn't exist until Generation 6. Also, Steel-types resist Dark- and Ghost-type moves in Generation 3.

Entry Hazards

Not only does Defog not even exist in Generation 3, Spikes is also the only entry hazard. This means that Flying Types and Levitators are 100% immune to entry hazard damage!

Weather

Unlike in Generation 6, weather-summoning abilities cause permanent weather, making Kyogre and Groudon even stronger! On the downside, Sandstorm does NOT boost Tyranitar's Special Defense in this generation, and Snow Warning doesn't even exist.

Leads and the lack of team preview

There is no team preview this generation, meaning that the first Pokémon on your team will ALWAYS be the first Pokémon that gets sent out! Also, the lack of Team Preview means that you will have NO IDEA what the opponent is packing, so playing carefully at the beginning can be key!

Explosion and Selfdestruct

Unlike Generations 5 and 6, Explosion in this generation halves defense right before it fires off, effectively making it double the base power! This makes it an extremely dangerous and effective move, so when you see potential exploders like Metagross, beware! Also, these moves end the turn, so if your target survives, they won't use their move.

Shadow Tag

Shadow Tag traps EVERYTHING in Generation 3, no matter what. There isn't any Shed Shell in this generation either! Yes, even Wobbuffet traps other Wobbuffet. This infamously leads to a match never ending if both Wobbuffet have Leftovers, since Struggle's recoil is based of the amount of damage it does in this generation. This means that Leftovers is banned on Wobbuffet. Hell, even NINTENDO banned Leftovers on Wobbuffet in their tournaments for this reason!

Other Move and Ability changes

Critical Hits: Unfortunately, Critical Hits do DOUBLE damage this generation, not 1.5x.

Various special moves: Generation 6 nerfed the power of a lot of special moves, such as Dragon Pulse, Fire Blast, Hydro Pump, Surf, Thunder, etc. These moves are more powerful
this gen!

Sturdy: This does not act like a Focus Sash. Sorry, Forretress, that Groudon Fire Blast will always OHKO you in the sun!

Paralysis: Unlike in Generation 6, paralysis status DOES effect Electric-types.

Sound moves: These moves no longer ignore Substitutes.

Mean Look: In this generation, Mean Look traps Ghost-types. It can also be Baton Passed.

Mental Herb: This item only blocks infatuation in this generation.

Magic Coat: This does NOT deflect hazards in Generation 3.

Knock Off: This move is always 20 BP in this generation.

 

[MoxieInfinite]

this tier is more "who can get in their deo-a safe" than anything else

cm spam is everywhere

subseed ludicolo is a fun lead

if you wanna play adv ubers, go to po, ps doesnt need a ladder when there's only like 3 players

 

[RotomPoison]

>Says Genesect is centralizing
>Encourages use of Kyogre without 90% of the checks to it existing

I have always wanted to try this tier though and would like it to be a bit more popular.

 

[Triangles]

I also like this tier. Anyone who wants to fite me in this, just drop me a vm.

 

[Fireburn]

older values of building an excellent team and having long and strategic battles.

You know Ubers started with RBY Mewtwo right? ._.

But yeah this is a pretty fun metagame, not quite as stally as you might think it is though given powerful offensive threats like Deoxys-A, Latios, Groudon, Kyogre, Mewtwo, etc. That being said Stall is pretty good with stuff like Blissey and Lugia. Calm Mind on anything that learns it is common, Forretress is more or less the only viable spinner, and DD Ray/CB Deoxys-A are probably the best cleaners.

I'm not sure if it was ever common but I like using Magneton in RSE Ubers, it traps Forry/Skarm/weakened CB Gross easily to open up holes for stuff like Groudon or Latios. Magneton also resists BoltBeam so it can Toxic/Para Latis and is also a pretty good Lugia switchin, only thing it can't really come in on is CB Earthquake. CB Ho-Oh is also pretty decent, it has enough coverage to hurt a lot of things and Sacred Fire scares off the usual switch-ins to Banded stuff.

Kind of want to try Mew, SD + Boom with 100 Speed seems pretty rad.

 

[McMeghan]

I'm not sure if it was ever common but I like using Magneton in RSE Ubers, it traps Forry/Skarm/weakened CB Gross easily to open up holes for stuff like Groudon or Latios. Magneton also resists BoltBeam so it can Explode on Latis and is also a pretty good Lugia switchin, only thing it can't really come in on is CB Earthquake. CB Ho-Oh is also pretty decent, it has enough coverage to hurt a lot of things and Sacred Fire scares off the usual switch-ins to Banded stuff.

+1, Magneton owns in Uber for the reasons listed below, altho I gotta point out that Magneton doesn't learn Explosion in ADV. It only got it in DPP.

 

[Fireburn]

+1, Magneton owns in Uber for the reasons listed below, altho I gotta point out that Magneton doesn't learn Explosion in ADV. It only got it in DPP.

Oh, I guess it doesn't. Toxic or TWave might be good to run then, not like Magneton has any good moves otherwise.

 

[MoxieInfinite]

Oh, I guess it doesn't. Toxic or TWave might be good to run then, not like Magneton has any good moves otherwise.

Metal Sound is cool as fuck, and it forces switches :D not that it survives many hits though

 

[Arhops]

Wait so are we just gonna pretend Wobbufett doesn't exist because set up bait for the win?

Anyways what do you guys think of Baton Pass since we now have epic Baton Passer Mew and best receiver Deoxys Attack with full stats maxed out with defense boosts so you can live Rapid Spin or something.

Oh god I'm gonna get murdered for mentioning baton pass aren't I.

 

[RotomPoison]

AFAIK most gen 3 Ubers analysis are pretty outdated. Let's revive the only tier where Flygon and Kyogre are both kinda viable.

 

[MoxieInfinite]

We are pretending Wobbuffet doesn't exist because Wobb vs Wobb never ends due to Leftovers negating the damage done by Struggle. If anything, ban Wobb + Leftovers, but idk if that's worth it.

BP probably isn't too good with Mew, shit like Roar Latias and Roar Kyogre is pretty common, and they are too bulky for Mew to damage them directly. 252 Mew Ice Beam vs. Soul Dew 4/0 Latias: 93-110 (30.7 - 36.4%) -- 59.8% chance to 3HKO
252 Mew Thunderbolt vs. 240/0 Kyogre: 130-154 (32.4 - 38.4%) -- 2.1% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery (RestTalk w/Roar, EV's are changeable)

I guess you can Taunt Ogre(as well as Latias on the switch), but STAB Surf hurts a lot in rain, and you will struggle to pull the BP of. Also, what are you gonna pass the boosts too? Deo-A dies to anything anyway, while CM can be learned by pretty much every Uber-mon anyway. Passing Swords Dances to physical Ho-Oh could work I guess, since Ho-Oh's natural bulk can allow it to tank a hit or two, plus it has Recover. Safely passing a Drum to Deo-A or Rayquaza is probably GG, but I can't see that working against better players. Interresting idea though, I'll definitely play around it sometime.

Mew is generally outclassed by Mewtwo in any other role though.

 

[Arhops]

Thing is with Baton Pass Mew your already fast enough to out speed any possible Roar/Taunt Pokemon with Taunt since you almost defiantly have Ninjask's boosts. So I think that strategy might actually be really good. Weather teams may be a problem tho.

 

[Fireburn]

Mew actually did not get Baton Pass until DPP iirc.

Also this is probably the one thing Mew can do where it is not outclassed by Mewtwo:

Mew @ Leftovers
36 HP / 252 Atk / 220 Spe
Jolly Nature
-Swords Dance
-Shadow Ball
-Brick Break
-Explosion / Hypnosis

Mewtwo does have higher Speed/Attack and Selfdestruct, but Mew has Explosion (stronger) and boosts quicker since it gets Swords Dance whereas Mewtwo only gets Bulk Up, helping make up for the lack of STAB and letting pressure stuff like Skarm better. Basically you just boost up and attack with physical Ghost/Fighting coverage, which is resisted by nothing and rips apart a lot of common stuff. Explosion all but guarantees Mew will get at least one kill. You can also try Hypnosis on this set, its something Mewtwo doesn't get and can potentially incapacitate the opponent's Mew check for a little while.

 

[MoxieInfinite]

yea, Mew's niche is SD, but Deo-A kills whatever you need to without te set-up turn, as well as it getting E-Speed to finish off stuff like weakened Rayquaza or random Swift Swimmers like CB Qwilfish(sounds lame, but isnt too bad). Even with the SD boost, I don't feel like Mew hits amazingly hard, and its 100 across the board bulk isn't as good in Ubers. I'd take CB Deo-A or CB/DD Quaza over Mew any day. Shame, cuz it was one of my favorite mons as a kid.

 

[Fireburn]

yea, Mew's niche is SD, but Deo-A kills whatever you need to without te set-up turn, as well as it getting E-Speed to finish off stuff like weakened Rayquaza or random Swift Swimmers like CB Qwilfish(sounds lame, but isnt too bad). Even with the SD boost, I don't feel like Mew hits amazingly hard, and its 100 across the board bulk isn't as good in Ubers. I'd take CB Deo-A or CB/DD Quaza over Mew any day. Shame, cuz it was one of my favorite mons as a kid.

The thing is though is that they can't Explode. Mew is more of a pure wall/stall-breaker whereas Deo-A/Ray are cleaners.

 

[BKC]

i would assume gengar is pretty good in this tier, it rapes forretress trying to spin (especially with the non-existence of pursuit tyranitar / houndoom), the ground immunity is amazing, and it can explode on blissey/ho-oh to pave a sweep for something. sun boosted fire punch probably smacks the fuck out of metagross too.

 

[Oglemi]

We are pretending Wobbuffet doesn't exist because Wobb vs Wobb never ends due to Leftovers negating the damage done by Struggle. If anything, ban Wobb + Leftovers, but idk if that's worth it.

Wobb + Leftovers is banned in standard ADV Ubers

 

[Arhops]

Mew actually did not get Baton Pass until DPP iirc.

Yeah your right, really sucks. :(

Anyways I was wondering if Deoxys-N has a niche at all since the smogon analysis is pretty barren and really only says just use Speed or Attack instead.

Also couldn't you just not run Deoxys-A and instead run Deoxys-D and get hazards up and not worry about trapping and probably stalling out spinners since you have epic pressure and recover and seismic toss and...

 

[MoxieInfinite]

gengar can works versus stall, but falls through against offense(which generally is better). it can literally switch into nothing unless its like e-speed/superpower from deo-a/quaza/mew, and all the cm spam/specially bulky mons forces it to boom earlier than you might want it to. ogre, groudon(dislikes burn), lati@s are all solid answers to it, assuming standard ou set, and it might not even be able to boom vs lati. its great spatk just isnt as great in ubers, and it lacks the bulk to take hits. id use it solely because of its immunities tho. but yea, it shuts down stall very well if played right


to oglemi: isnt wobbuffet was banned as a whole? cooool

to arhops: and then forry booms, what now? it can also run toxic to beat non-rest-non-taunt variants

 

[Arhops]

to arhops: and then forry booms, what now?

Forretress Explosion vs. Deoxys-D: 198-234 (65.1 - 76.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

Recover it off I guess? Though your right it does sort of beats not rest/taunt variants. But Forretress does kind of die from Seismic Toss/Night Shade spam so your gonna have to run HP bug but then your just running a ton of attacks, so it's not a reliable poke to stall it out at all.

 

[meteor64]

i would assume gengar is pretty good in this tier, it rapes forretress trying to spin (especially with the non-existence of pursuit tyranitar / houndoom), the ground immunity is amazing, and it can explode on blissey/ho-oh to pave a sweep for something. sun boosted fire punch probably smacks the fuck out of metagross too.

its at this point i ask myself is there a tier where gengar doesn't work in

 

[RotomPoison]

Just noticed there's no ADV Ubers viability rank thread. (well, I at least searched through the threads with the ADV tag) I would be willing to write up the OP and maintain it as I have been able to play this tier more lately. (not as much as a long time ago but still) It'll at least start some discussion and maybe get more people to join?

 

[Royal Flush]

shadow ball/toxic/recover ho-oh, bulky evs etc.



Just leaving it there, great anti-meta shit. Give it a try.

 

[Theorymon]

This thread has been in hibernation for a while, but now that it's in a general Ubers forum, I hope it gets more activity.

I have updated this thread to be like the others, but the original post is still in a hide tag. I really respect Asterat for getting discussion on this started early. I hope to learn much from this thread, because this is the only generation of Ubers I've never played. Here's hoping that won't be true soon!

 

[asterat]

I don't think this has been stated clearly enough: The Lati twins own the metagame. With the exception of Toxic, HP bug, explosion, HP ghost, shadow ball, strong extremespeed, or augmented ice beam or dragon claw these things really never die. They are also by far the strongest special attackers in the game (life orb and choice specs were nonexistent) and the best bulky pivots. Actually fully SpD latias takes hits more than 3/4 as well as blissey. They also have an excellent speed tier, the only common things that outspeed are Deoxys-A and Mewtwo- two huge threats that team support can easily handle. I don't think they are broken, but they do shape the metagame. I can't really think of a scenario where one or more latis doesn't fit into your team. It isn't GSC snorlax, but I think they're better than ADV OU tyranitar, or about that good.

Thanks for reviving this Theorymon.