max e then q before w
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League of Legends: Let's Talk About uhhh??
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StrangerDanger
when will you be forced to nerf your beloved talon after the community turns their crosshairs onto him for being an assassin with a silence/short-term invis
i have no real opinion on him one way or the other.
when will you be forced to nerf your beloved talon after the community turns their crosshairs onto him for being an assassin with a silence/short-term invis
i have no real opinion on him one way or the other.
i absolutely abhor talon - he and akali singlehandedly keep assassins (as a class) from having cool or unique itemization/systems support imo. Every time we'd want to make items or changes for Zed or Katarina, unless they're champion specific the Point-Click Wonders will use and abuse them harder than their companions with better interactive gameplay.
generally speaking though, Talon's huge issue isn't -just- his ridiculous snowball with 'you're silenced, i'm invis, you're dead' - it's that he's far more of an AoE burst-mage than a single-target assassin. Talon unloads a pretty crazy AD ratio all of the face of your team. I think he used to be pretty fun to play, but that was at a time when i wasn't very good at the game and i thought it took skill to one-shot dudes with insane AD scaling. Being a designbro has certainly turned me off to champs like him (and wukong, as if i needed any help on that front) D:
anyways, all of these are just my opinions. Also worth noting that for the last couple months and for a few more at least i haven't been working on ze balance or reworks or anything! Vel'Koz was the last champion i helped out with, and since then i've been working on the update to Summoner's Rift (along with a really talented team of artists and other folk) so all of my comments on balance, while perhaps informed, aren't necessarily relevant to what will be. I chime in from time to time and help in discussions, but i'm pretty heavily in map-land as we speak!
generally speaking though, Talon's huge issue isn't -just- his ridiculous snowball with 'you're silenced, i'm invis, you're dead' - it's that he's far more of an AoE burst-mage than a single-target assassin. Talon unloads a pretty crazy AD ratio all of the face of your team. I think he used to be pretty fun to play, but that was at a time when i wasn't very good at the game and i thought it took skill to one-shot dudes with insane AD scaling. Being a designbro has certainly turned me off to champs like him (and wukong, as if i needed any help on that front) D:
anyways, all of these are just my opinions. Also worth noting that for the last couple months and for a few more at least i haven't been working on ze balance or reworks or anything! Vel'Koz was the last champion i helped out with, and since then i've been working on the update to Summoner's Rift (along with a really talented team of artists and other folk) so all of my comments on balance, while perhaps informed, aren't necessarily relevant to what will be. I chime in from time to time and help in discussions, but i'm pretty heavily in map-land as we speak!
RODAN
Banned deucer.
StrangerDanger while you're here can you get riot to remove rengar from the game hes a dumb bully champ no counterplay cos u just die. thanks - Rodank
Acklow
I am always tired. Don't bother me.
V0x, just ask imperfectluck.
you're building support mid, as Morg has no sustained damage from her combo.
Zhonya's is a must, Liandry's or RoA for bulk and damage, and a Morello's or Athene's for CDR and mana regen (I don't think she needs the Athene's, especially after the MR nerf, so the cheaper Morello's might be better). There's no reason to rush Rabadon's/Void Staff on her, so they should probably be the 5th/6th items. Abyssal Scepter is good if the other team doesn't stack much MR and you pass up on Athene's, but it requires you to sacrifice one of the other items.
She's a really good pick against slow waveclear champions like Leblanc, or the occasional melee mid like Yasuo. In general she's frustrating to lane against, which makes me wonder why I don't see her more often in midlane.
My dream of the Leona jungle meta can finally come true!
R > E > Q > W, if you're getting pushed to the turret a lot you can put a second point in W at level 8 instead of Q. RoA is good on him, Tear works on him but I personally don't like sinking 700 gold into non-combat stats. Avoid Athene's, Swain almost has Athene's mana passives on his passive. Zhonya's is also very good on him, it lets you sit in the middle of their team and heal while you're in stasis. After that you can get Liandry's, SV, Void Staff, stuff like that. I rarely buy Rabadon's on him.
oh also, use hybrid pen reds because E amplifies Swain's autoattack damage too
maxing W is super risky because if you miss, not only is the majority of your damage gone, you're completely open to an enemy engaging on you because they know most of your damage and all of your hard CC is on cooldown
maxing R>E>Q>W does run the risk of getting pushed into tower faster but your combo deals so much upfront damage that you can generally punish your enemy if they're constantly pushing with the exception of maybe ziggs
I feel it is better still to max Q second. The extra slow% makes it easier to land a well-timed W instead of one that is potentially blind.
I would always max E first unless you are deathly afraid of some champions like Yasuo being right in your face - which in that case I maxed Q first and played it as much of a farm lane as possible.
I would always max E first unless you are deathly afraid of some champions like Yasuo being right in your face - which in that case I maxed Q first and played it as much of a farm lane as possible.
the CD reduction from ranking up W is pretty big so it's fine to max 2nd, it's just preference
maxing Q is more upfront burst and also makes it easier to land W, plus your ult gives you all the waveclear you really need
but maxing W after E should be fine honestly
i also agree with Jibaku that triple doran's sets you back and it's generally much better to go for grail / tear / morello