XY UU Viability Ranking Thread

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Yeah, I'm going to have to agree with everyone else here and say that Infernape deserves A+; It has a huge amount of wallbreaking prowess, especially with a life orb, and can beat every other lead in the game with a sash and can defeat several of the stealth rock leads before they can even set rocks up. There are only a couple of walls in the game that can switch safely into nape, because the bulky waters that would normally switch into a Fire Blast/Flare Blitz get hit hard by Grass Knot.

For Blissey, I'm going A-. First of all, blissey can wall most of the special attackers in the tier. We know that. But it does have flaws- it's can easily become setup bait to a lot of physical attackers in the tier- Especially substitute ones, because they can simply sub up and if they run enough HP to live a seismic toss behind a sub, then you're in for something. The opponent basically gets up a free setup move. It requires support because most of the really hard-hitting physical attackers in the tier are able to break it, which means you have to pack more walls to wall those. And I do agree with the people here that said this meta is becoming more offensive- now we have Victini, Infernape, Darmanitan, Staraptor, Honchkrow, etc. There's so many offensive threats that running stall is being less and less effective, and Blissey really only has a spot on offensive or defensive balanced teams, since it loses a ton of momentum and seismic toss really isn't going to hurt that much for more pokemon. And yeah, IMO Umbreon and Florges deserve to be higher than this thing; they may not have as much extreme bulk, but they're not setup bait.
 
Goodra's a good wall right? Or atleast gets great special bulk.

252+ SpA Mega Blastoise Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Goodra: 104-124 (27 - 32.2%) -- guaranteed 4HKO

252 SpA Hydreigon Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Goodra: 194-230 (50.5 - 59.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

You know you're a good wall when Hydreigon needs White Herb to kill you. His abilities are great too, Grass immunity for a pivot to help a teammate or Gooey to gunk up physical sweepers, Hydration could even be exploited. Then there's his strong special stat with equally good physical attack, he's a dragon with poison attacks so coverage isn't an issue, A+ or A might work.
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Lucario is a good booster threatening to double either attack stat but has less than 100 speed and is weak to fire, fighting and ground with mediocre bulk. The problem is he's the new king of priority with Vaccume Wave, Bullet Punch, Extreme Speed and Mach Punch, all he needs now is Sucker Punch and technician/intimidate. Can he always get away with boosting his stats in any game?

+2 252+ Atk Life Orb Lucario Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 240+ Def Tentacruel: 237-278 (65.1 - 76.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Black Sludge recovery

Idk ask the people looking for counters to his SD set.
 
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Since it has been released, I have seen Goodra tanking most of the craziest special attacks so far...so I have experiemented with some moves to see how good Goodra can tank some of the highest ranked pokemon which are known to hit pretty hard and Florges, the nightmare of all dragons.

vs Florges
4 SpA Florges Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Goodra: 158-188 (41.1 - 48.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

4 SpA Florges Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Assault Vest Goodra: 108-128 (28.1 - 33.3%) -- 0% chance to 3HKO

4 Atk Goodra Iron Tail vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Florges: 198-234 (55 - 65%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

4 Atk Goodra Iron Tail vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Florges: 134-158 (37.2 - 43.8%) -- 99.8% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

I removed Slugde Bomb and Wave because they do even less than Moonblast from Florges to Goodra

vs Hydreigon
252+ SpA Goodra Dragon Pulse vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Hydreigon: 296-350 (91 - 107.6%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO

4 Atk Goodra Outrage vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Hydreigon: 318-374 (97.8 - 115%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO

252+ SpA Hydreigon Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Goodra: 212-252 (55.2 - 65.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252+ SpA Hydreigon Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Goodra: 320-378 (83.3 - 98.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

4 Atk Hydreigon Superpower vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Goodra: 121-143 (31.5 - 37.2%) -- 83.5% chance to 3HKO

vs Mhoundoom
252+ SpA Goodra Dragon Pulse vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Mega Houndoom: 148-175 (50.6 - 59.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

4 Atk Goodra Earthquake vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Mega Houndoom: 158-188 (54.1 - 64.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

+2 252 SpA Mega Houndoom Dark Pulse vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Goodra: 195-229 (50.7 - 59.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

+2 252 SpA Solar Power Mega Houndoom Dark Pulse vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Goodra in Sun: 289-342 (75.2 - 89%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

+2 252 SpA Solar Power Mega Houndoom Dark Pulse vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Goodra in Sun: 195-229 (50.7 - 59.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

vs Nidoking
252+ SpA Goodra Dragon Pulse vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Nidoking: 172-204 (56.5 - 67.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

4 Atk Goodra Earthquake vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Nidoking: 180-212 (59.2 - 69.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO


252+ SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Nidoking Sludge Wave vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Goodra: 101-121 (26.3 - 31.5%) -- guaranteed 4HKO

252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Nidoking Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Goodra: 177-208 (46 - 54.1%) -- 48.4% chance to 2HKO

252+ SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Nidoking Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Goodra: 192-229 (50 - 59.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Nidoking Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Goodra: 117-140 (30.4 - 36.4%) -- 57.1% chance to 3HKO

252+ SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Nidoking Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Goodra: 130-153 (33.8 - 39.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

0 Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Nidoking Ice Punch vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Goodra: 250-296 (65.1 - 77%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

vs Mega Blastoise
252+ SpA Goodra Dragon Pulse vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Mega Blastoise: 120-142 (33.1 - 39.2%) -- 99.9% chance to 3HKO

252+ SpA Goodra Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Mega Blastoise: 170-202 (46.9 - 55.8%) -- 74.2% chance to 2HKO

252+ SpA Mega Launcher Mega Blastoise Dragon Pulse vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Goodra: 146-174 (38 - 45.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

252+ SpA Mega Launcher Mega Blastoise Dragon Pulse vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Goodra: 220-260 (57.2 - 67.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

vs Starmie
252+ SpA Goodra Thunderbolt vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Starmie: 218-258 (83.5 - 98.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252+ SpA Goodra Dragon Pulse vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Starmie: 154-183 (59 - 70.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252 SpA Life Orb Starmie Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Goodra: 151-179 (39.3 - 46.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

252+ SpA Life Orb Starmie Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Goodra: 164-195 (42.7 - 50.7%) -- 2.3% chance to 2HKO

252+ SpA Life Orb Starmie Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Goodra: 112-133 (29.1 - 34.6%) -- 3.1% chance to 3HKO

252 SpA Life Orb Starmie Psyshock vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Goodra: 191-226 (49.7 - 58.8%) -- 98.8% chance to 2HKO

252+ SpA Life Orb Starmie Psyshock vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Goodra: 208-247 (54.1 - 64.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

vs Kyurem
252+ SpA Goodra Dragon Pulse vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Kyurem: 296-350 (75.7 - 89.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

4 Atk Goodra Outrage vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Kyurem: 284-336 (72.6 - 85.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

252+ SpA Goodra Dragon Pulse vs. 248 HP / 8 SpD Kyurem: 294-348 (64.9 - 76.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

4 Atk Goodra Outrage vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Kyurem: 284-336 (62.6 - 74.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

252 SpA Kyurem Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Goodra: 300-354 (78.1 - 92.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252+ SpA Kyurem Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Goodra: 326-386 (84.8 - 100.5%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO

252+ SpA Choice Specs Kyurem Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Goodra: 492-578 (128.1 - 150.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252+ SpA Choice Specs Kyurem Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Goodra: 326-386 (84.8 - 100.5%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO

252+ SpA Choice Specs Kyurem Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Goodra: 228-270 (59.3 - 70.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO


I am sure I am missing some important calcs to judge (low on time :x). But Goodra proves to be a very solid check to most special, and a few mixed attackers, in the tier. I can see it on B+/-A from what I have seen so far.
 
He completely walls nasty plot infernape too I'm going to go with a+ or a because in a meta with dangerous special attackers in can hold its own and be able to provide offense presence because you don't need to invest in special bulk, and as mentioned above all his abilities are viable in the meta game and he is versatile in the role he can play on a team.
 

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Luke is a really dangerous 'mon on all fronts, especially lategame, and is deserving of an A+ rank. The thing about Luke is that, like Infernape, it can pretty much "select" its counters since it can capably run a special or a physical set. However, unlike Ape, its base 90 speed can be hindering at times since there are so many other threats between Luke and Ape's speed stats that can effectively shut down Luke, especially if it has not set up a Swords Dance or Nasty Plot, although its priority moves (especially Extremespeed) mitigates this issue. Being weak to three extremely common types (Fighting, Ground, Fire) really hinders its opportunities to come into the battle, but once it comes in, be prepared to get demolished if you don't have anything to scare it away.
Goodra on the other hand should probably be B+ rank. Although we all know it has extremely fantastic special defense and some well-rounded offensive characteristics, I just don't find Goodra as threatening as the A- rank 'mons like Nidoqueen, Mega Blastoise, and those of similar archeotype, regardless of the kinds of unorthodox sets it could be running. Considering the current state of physical attackers in this tier, Goodra is prone to being worn down, and really needs more support to fulfill whatever role it takes, again, compared to the A- rank 'mons.
 
Goodra should be A- Rank IMO. While it is known for its Assault Vest set, it is more than capable of running a Choice Specs set as well. While Blissey absolutely destroys Specs Goodra, it can 2HKO Florges with Sludge Wave after Stealth Rock (252+ SpA Choice Specs Goodra Sludge Wave vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Florges: 160-190 (44.4 - 52.7%) -- 82.4% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery) and OHKO Mega Aggron with Fire Blast (252+ SpA Choice Specs Goodra Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Filter Mega Aggron: 315-372 (91.5 - 108.1%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock). Goodra's 110 Sp. Attack is pretty nice and it takes hits well enough without an Assault Vest to deliver more powerful hits.
Calcs:
252+ SpA Choice Specs Goodra Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Slowbro: 346-408 (87.8 - 103.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
252+ SpA Choice Specs Goodra Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Mew: 223-264 (55.1 - 65.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery (Goodra is stalled to death thanks to the special attack drop)
252+ SpA Choice Specs Goodra Draco Meteor vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Infernape: 409-483 (139.5 - 164.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Goodra Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Forretress: 1060-1248 (299.4 - 352.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO (yep)
252+ SpA Choice Specs Goodra Draco Meteor vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Mega Houndoom: 339-400 (116 - 136.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Goodra Draco Meteor vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Victini: 309-364 (90.6 - 106.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
252+ SpA Choice Specs Goodra Dragon Pulse vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Mienshao: 306-360 (112.9 - 132.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO (dunno what it's doing switching in, but whatevs)
252+ SpA Choice Specs Goodra Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Shaymin: 350-412 (86.6 - 101.9%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
252+ SpA Choice Specs Goodra Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Suicune: 256-302 (63.3 - 74.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
252+ SpA Choice Specs Goodra Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Umbreon: 186-220 (47.2 - 55.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery (Goodra is stalled out but if it's running Focus Blast then this happens:)
252+ SpA Choice Specs Goodra Focus Blast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Umbreon: 230-272 (58.3 - 69%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
252+ SpA Choice Specs Goodra Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Arcanine: 258-304 (67.1 - 79.1%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock (and with Muddy Water:)
252+ SpA Choice Specs Goodra Muddy Water vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Arcanine: 238-282 (61.9 - 73.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
252+ SpA Choice Specs Goodra Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Hippowdon: 408-480 (97.1 - 114.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
252+ SpA Choice Specs Goodra Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Hippowdon: 274-324 (65.2 - 77.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
Sorry for that massive wall of text, but I'm just trying to say that Specs Goodra is great in the current meta in spite of Blissey's drop (and the fact that specially defensive Mew counters as well).
I also want to repost the set I posted in the UU Stage 2 thread shortly after everything dropped.
Goodra @ Leftovers
Ability: Sap Sipper
EVs: 248 HP / 216 SDef / 44 SAtk
Calm Nature
- Substitute
- Infestation
- Toxic
- Fire Blast
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/uu-126801995
This set is extremely punishing to special attackers, making it difficult for them to get past Goodra's subs and are likely to be stalled to death with an infestation + Toxic combo. Fire Blast punishes steel types that try to get past Toxic, though it can use Earthquake to hit non-Levitating or Flying Steel and Poison types. The set could possibly use some physical defense investment, but I think it's fine for now. Assault Vest Goodra isn't everything folks.
Most special attackers in the metagame are screwed or crippled greatly Subfestation. The Nidos put up a fight since even Nidoking can only do this much (252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Nidoking Ice Beam vs. 248 HP / 216+ SpD Goodra: 138-164 (36 - 42.8%) -- 95.5% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery) while Goodra 3HKOs with Fire Blast in return. It is harder to pull of with a somewhat physical meta, but UU is a bit more balanced as a whole than OU for instance.
With Subfestation, Assault Vest and Choice Specs in mind, Goodra is well-deserving of the A- rank. It wouldn't bother me to see it at A either.
 
I unbolded everything since the metagame is completely different now.
Just wondering, are we always going to be doing focused discussions on 1-2 different Pokemons at a time? The B, C, and D levels could use some clean-up.

EDIT: I know ranking the new drop take priority rigght now. I'm just wondering what's the next course of action.
 
I feel like fixing up B, C, and D could probably be done by someone on the council if any of them gave enough of a fuck, but it's not really much of a priority right now when S and A rank pokemon are the most important ones to be ranked.
 
I unbolded everything since the metagame is completely different now.
Since there are many Pokemon to be discussed about regarding their rank (everything except ape and blissey) shouldn't we go back to discussing about more than just primary two each time? It takes just too much time. I think clerifying the S ranks and the A+ ranks who define the meta and/or ranking meta defining Pokemon first (like Florges and M-blast although both not being S rank) is the basis which discussion may be held afterwards regarding the remaning Pokemon and suggestions to raise/drop the rank of the defining Pokemon, which you alone or with a small group of counclers/users decide upon.
 
Since it's clearly not possible to go through the entire list two at a time before the meta becomes "completely different" again, the discussion should be opened to pokemon that should be significantly moved, instead of the half step shuffling around that's been going on recently.
 

dingbat

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Mew @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP / 232 SpD/ 32 Spe
0 Atk IVs
Careful Nature
- Roost
- Taunt
- Psyshock
- Will-o-Wisp

Role: Special Wall, Support, Tank

What It Does: Mew is pretty much one of the best 'Mons in the UU meta right now, mostly because it is the most reliable defogger in the tier; however, the Taunt set is often overlooked. With annoying FAT mons such as CM Slowbro, Florges, and Blissey, many teams will fail to have an answer. This is where Taunt Mew comes into play.

With great 100 stats across the board, Mew is able to sponge most neutral hits with ease, such as Scald's from Suicine, Earthquake's from Hippowndon, and Moonblast from Florges. The point of this Mew set is to beat most stall cores that rely on non-attacking moves, such as Toxic, Wish, and Softboiled. By preventing these fat asses from recovering, Mew can whittle away at the enemy with the combination of Taunt, Will-o-Wisp, and Psyshock. The Evs are pretty straight forward. Max HP for good overall bulk. Since it doesn't have a massive HP stat like Blissey, it would be unwise to split EVs between Defense and Special Defense, so HP investment is the best middle ground.

Psychic is a decent typing for special hits, being neutral to electric, water, and grass types, so specially defensive is usually the way to go. In addition, with WoW, Mew is able to beat most physical walls as well, such as Mega-Aero that lacks taunt, etc etc.

The Speed EVs are to outspeed Adamant Honk, meaning it won't get a free sub or powerful hit off on you. If the person is using Jolly Honk, you shouldn't have much issue since it lacks power, so it isn't worth sacrificing bulk for a few obscure spreads.

This Mew is also a tank, as it is able to OHK frail Mons, such as Mienshao and Roserade, while taking up any hit. For example, if SR is off the field, Timid LO Roserade's move always fail to 2HK, and Modest Nidoqueen needs SR in order to potentially 2HK Mew.

Good Teammates: A good physical wall that can take on Bug/Dark Types. Florges also works well, making a pink core, but only use that if you lack any real ethics :]]

Cobalion is a great offensive partner for Mew, seeing as Cob can 4x Bug types + get a boost from Dark Types. Mew can't offer too much besides beating almost every wall that beats Cobalion.

What Counters It: Umbreon to an extent, Hydreigon, Scarf Guts Heracross, hell, all Heracross with Megahorn.

Any Additional Info: The Defog set plays entirely differently, so if you want a Defog mew, you will lose to Mons like Blissey, and should probably run Psychic more power + SpD drops. I run this Mew only if I already have a Rapid Spinner, such as Forry or Tentacruel.
Wrong thread :)
 

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Lucario is being added to A+ rank, while Goodra is being added to B- rank. The next two Pokemon up for discussion are Alakazam and Hydreigon.
 
No comment on Hydreigon for the time being, but A minimum for Alakazam. Still brutally fast and brutally powerful (without taking your Mega slot, like Mega Manectric or Aerodactyl), a lot of coverage with some interesting support options in Thunder Wave and Encore. But what I think puts Alakazam in A or A+ (I think he deserves A+) is the Focus Sash revenge killer.

EDIT: Was gonna put up more on Alakazam and the merits of an unbreakable Focus Sash, but apparently you (you being Limitless) thinks he deserves S! I started using a team with just the plain ol' Sash + 4 Attacks and it's obviously an extremely valuable member of the team, but now that I think about it I'm starting to see a little more sense on why a Sashed Calm Mind set is what makes him so good. Obviously, this requires copious amounts of testing, and I think we can all agree that Magic Guard + Sash + 'Zam is at the very least A+.
 
Hydreigon's still really great because of how hard it is to wear down with hazards and how fucking hard it hits. The fact that most people have started running blissey over florges just makes it better because of how much it does with superpower.

Buuuuut if you look at the pokemon officially in S rank (Blissey which walls the special tier, Infernape which has chandelure and tini as its only switchins) and then at the pokemon in A+ (Lucario which, while great, is still walled by some common pokemon, struggles to set up against more offensive teams, and is actually pretty slow for this meta) Hydreigon really seems to fit in better in A+. Still a really great mon, but not quite S-rank.

It's pretty on the edge for me though. Those sexy resistances make it hard to go past.
 
Hydreigon still being S Class is still pretty accurate in my eyes. Hydreigon is still one of the best mixed attackers and wallbreakers the tier has to offer. The fact that it checks a lot of dangerous threats makes Hydreigon a necessity in UU.

As for Goodra. I don't feel too comfortable with it at B-, I'd rather see it as a B+
 
With the new drops, Hydreigon has become much easier to check.
Goodra is only 2HKOed by Draco Meteor from Hydreigon and OHKOs it back with Dragon Pulse.
Fighting Types are even more popular thanks to Blissey and while only 2 of them are faster than Hydreigon, priority has become more common as well. Aspecially with Alakazam in the tier, Hydreigon will have a hard time to 2HKO it before it is 2 or even OHKOed by either Focus Blast or Dazzling Gleam.
So I feel A+ is a good place for Hydreigon...the way how specially bulky UU is, Hydreigon is pretty much forced to run Superpower or other physical moves, which allow a lot of threats to safely switch in to the weakened Hydra.

Alakazam on the other hand, is pretty much guarantied S
The Sash-set is by far the best set it has. Priority is now more common, and only being 2HKOed most of the time thanks to Magic Guard, allows it to deal great amount of damage.
It can bypass most special walls with psyshock and has great coverage with shadow ball and focus blast hitting a huge portion of UU for reasonable amount of damage.
 
Hydreigon shouldnt drop, its the best offensive mon in the tier, nothing has that combination of bulk, key resistances to fire, water, dark, ghost, grass, electric and immunity to ground and psychic, powerful nuke in stab draco meteor off 125 base special attack, instant recovery, ability to get past the best special wall in the tier and of course being nearly impervious to hazards. Its ridiculously easy to fit in teams because it can easily switch in many top threats like victini, darmanitan, mega houndoom, chandelure and mew and proceed to fire off its ridiculously powerful attacks that many teams struggle to find a decent answer to, specially offensive teams. It requires no support except for a fairy counter, which there are plenty in this tier. Hydreigon is quite clear one step ahead of everything else in the tier, its that kind of pokemon that makes other things look bad because of how flawless it is. Maybe when togekiss drops (which will give offense an appropriate switch in) things can change, but until then hydreigon is perfectly fine in S.
 

KM

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yeah hydra is still s

its honestly even more broken than it once was just because scarf hydra is devastating atm because the only good teams are offensive. lucario is annoying I guess but hydra is just so easy to pair with stuff and the fact that florges is mostly replaced by blissey really only helps it.

Alakazam is also s rank

not much to say here ._. way too many viable sets, cm sash is amazing, life orb is good, lead counter set is honestly super underrated. gets so much niche troll shit that you can tailor make to fit the needs of your team (encore, disable, recover) that you have quite a few distinct but very viable sets. Magic Guard is amazing for obvious reasons.

honestly given that LO zam more or less is only slightly worse than megazam (trace gave lots of switchins, but other than that) and focus sash zam is really better than LO zam, sort of tells you that zam may just be straight broken and past s rank.

but since we don't have an s++ rank i'll have to settle for s i guess ;(
 

Jacks0n

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I really think Both should be S Rank.

View attachment 15812 Hydriegon - Hydriegon is an excellent pokemon in UU. Hydriegon has an excellent set or resistances and immunities that are extremely worthwile due to Hydriegon's excellent bulk for an offensive pokemon. Being resistant to dark, fire, water, grass, electric and ghost as wel las being immune to psychic and ground gives is countless opportunities to switch in, something quite rare for an offensive pokemon. It also has great sp.attack and good attack which allows it to run an excellent scarf/specs set as well as a good mixed LO set. With the drops blissey has somewhat replaced florges which is better for hydriegon because the mixed LO set can beat blissey with superpower. Hydriegon has also suffered a bit with the drops of lucario and infernape. All in all hydriegon is still a monster in UU and is extremely influential and deserves to be no lower than S rank.

View attachment 15811 Alakazam - Alakazam is really really good. Hydriegon has a great speed tier and great sp.attack, as well as a variety of good sets and a decent moveset that allows it to be a very top threat in UU. Alakazam was blessed with getting psyshock, allowing it to get past special walls such as blissey, florges and goodra, it also has good coveredge in things such as shadow ball, focust blast and the niche energy ball aswell as other good options in disable, encore and counter which actually all serve a good purpose and are really decent. Kitten milk has said that sash calm mind is good, and I can really vouch for that. I used cm sash zam on my team that is currently in the top ten (I think haven't checked in a few days) and its actually amazing. Once scarfers and priority is gone zam can set up a calm mind and pretty much have a guaranteed sweep. Sash four attacks or sash three attacks with a utility move like taunt/counter/disable/encore that makes it for an insanely good revenge killer which also has great utility and stops sweeps and pokemon that are really dangering you're team. LO 4 attacks is also really good (not as good as sash cm IMO) and if you're team needs a fast powerful special attacker it is great. The only thing stopping this form being banned is its frailtty, otherwise it would be beyond broken.
 
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