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Sylveon
- Thread starter Jukain
- Start date
He's referring to ingrain, not smeargle :/
You can wait for me to be done lol.
It was a bullet point so I was assuming it was supposed to make sense but I now realise you meant Ingrain instead of the 2nd mention of Whirlwind
this is not fully written :/
read PLEASE who changed the title ._.
Couldn't you just move the Baton Pass set to its own thread in case a nerf or ban of some sort occurs?
tehy
Banned deucer.
amcheck
obv i discussed a lot of this with you on irc although towards the end you stopped responding and i'm going to sleep now so i can't really follow up on that, just reject any competitively based changes you dislike, the grammar ones i thought about before making i guess ask me if you don't like them
btw the second set's set details is skinny as hell, yea i know there's not that much to say but discuss...idk, why specs, why not max speed, blah blah boilerplate if you gotta. Come to think c&c suffers from that too, include chansey and other special walls (do any exist any more) that can take on the specs set.
BP set beats sableye, important.
obv i discussed a lot of this with you on irc although towards the end you stopped responding and i'm going to sleep now so i can't really follow up on that, just reject any competitively based changes you dislike, the grammar ones i thought about before making i guess ask me if you don't like them
btw the second set's set details is skinny as hell, yea i know there's not that much to say but discuss...idk, why specs, why not max speed, blah blah boilerplate if you gotta. Come to think c&c suffers from that too, include chansey and other special walls (do any exist any more) that can take on the specs set.
BP set beats sableye, important.
Overview
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Sylveon finds itself stuck in a tier where Clefable gives it enormous competition, boasting access to Unaware as well as both Wish and Heal Bell, the main forms of support Sylveon provides. However, it has a few advantages over the infectious pixie; namely, a base 130 Special Defense stat that lets it go toe-to-toe with top special threats, such as Greninja, Thundurus, and Latios, and a hard-hitting Pixilate-boosted Hyper Voice that lets it dish out significant damage without any boosts. Top Steel-type threats serve to make Sylveon's life difficult, and reliance on Wish + Protect for recovery leaves it entirely open to phazers and gives the opponent free turns. Only -decent physical bulk and low Speed allow many faster physical attackers to break through it. All in all, while not a Pokemon without flaws, Sylveon manages to find a place in today's hostile OU metagame.
Defensive
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name: Defensive
move 1: Hyper Voice
move 2: Wish
move 3: Protect
move 4: Heal Bell / Calm Mind
ability: Pixilate
item: Leftovers
EVs: 252 HP / 216 Def / 36 SpD
nature: Bold
Moves
========
Thanks to Pixilate, Hyper Voice, even without investment, becomes a powerful STAB capable of dealing significant amounts of damage, even 2HKOing threats such as Landorus. Wish + Protect allows Sylveon to heal itself, its teammates, and scout. Heal Bell cures Sylveon and its teammates of crippling status conditions. Between Wish and Heal Bell, it can provide immense support for its teammates. Calm Mind is also an option, offering the ability to pack more of a punch or even sweep under the right conditions. Baton Pass is another option for Sylveon to fit into VoltTurn chains and ensure its teammate receives a Wish unscathed.
Set Details
========
The given EVs are necessary to patch up Sylveon's meager physical bulk, putting it into a range where it tank Latios's Psyshock comfortably, as well as avoid 2HKOes from attacks such as non-Life Orb Garchomp's Earthquake, and deal with weakened +1 Mega Tyranitar and Mega Pinsir in a pinch if it's healthy. 36 Special Defense EVs allow it to survive a 2HKO from Landorus's Earth Power, making Sylveon a great check to non-Sludge Wave variants. Full investment in Special Defense can be used, letting it counter the likes of Choice Specs Keldeo, but the lack of physical bulk, especially in handling Latios, is heavily noticedable. Leftovers help Sylveon keep healthy, and can be utilizsed with Protect to gain Sylveon little bits of recovery throughout the match.
Usage Tips
========
The basic goal of this set is to take advantage of Sylveon's Fairy typing and sponge a variety of, mostly special, hits. Know when pass off a Wish and when to Protect. If Sylveon is running low on health, unless the match is at a point where Sylveon is completely useless, Protect to gain the assured heal. If you can afford to lose Sylveon or it is healthy, pass to a teammate. When using Heal Bell, note that it only has 8 PP,; you shouldn't be attempting to outstall status users, and you don't need to heal every status inflicted upon Sylveon or its teammates right away. Take care in how often you use it.
Calm Mind should be used to punch holes and achieve little mini-sweeps during the match if it can, or possibly sweep late-game if the opponent has no more Pokemon that can easily take out Sylveon.
Team Options
========
Sylveon is at home on balanced and semi-stall teams, which appreciate the support and certain level of power it packs into one teamslot. It should be used when the extra special bulk is preferred over Clefable's Unaware, better physical bulk, and other attributes. Pokemon such as Heatran, Aegislash, and Landorus-T that have to take hits constantly, but don't have any reliable form of recovery, heavily appreciate Sylveon's support. It can also be used with sweepers like Mega Gyarados to cure paralysis from Thundurus's Prankster Thunder Wave and burn from Scald, or possibly Lava Plume. Skarmory and Zapdos make for excellent partners because they can handle Mega Pinsir and Bulk Up Talonflame, which run all over Sylveon. Both can also handle threatening Steel-type attackers fairly well. Pokemon to threaten Heatran and Skarmory, such as Keldeo, Manaphy, Earthquake Latios, and your own Earth Power Heatran (which can also handle Talonflame), also partner well with Skarmory, because these Pokemon can come in on Sylveon and do pretty much as they please, even preventing it from healing with Whirlwind and Roar, respectively. Pressuring Mega Venusaur is also necessary; Skarmory with Brave Bird, Heatran, and Latios can do the job.
Choice Specs
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name: Choice Specs
move 1: Hyper Voice
move 2: Psyshock
move 3: Shadow Ball
move 4: Hidden Power Fire / Baton Pass / Hidden Power Ground
ability: Pixilate
item: Choice Specs
evs: 244 HP / 252 SpA / 12 Spe
nature: Modest
Moves
========
Hyper Voice is this set's STAB attack; it packs immense BP due to Pixilate and ignores Substitutes, covering most targets Sylveon comes up against due to brute force. The other moves cover specific otherwise counters to this set.; Psyshock heavily damages Mega Venusaur, and Shadow Ball hit2HKOes Aegislash. The last slot is a toss-up between tearing apart Ferrothorn, Skarmory, and (Mega) Scizor with Hidden Power Fire, getting free momentum against switch-ins with Baton Pass, and Hidden Power Ground to KOing threatening Heatran with Hidden Power Ground.
Set Details
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The EVs maximize bulk and power, whilst enabling Sylveon to outrun minimum Speed Tyranitar.
Usage Tips
========
Hyper Voice should be the move chosen in most scenarios, even dealing large damage to certain resists; for example, it 2HKOes Skarmory. Coverage moves should be used on predicted switch-ins of their targets. If Baton Pass is chosen, it should be used when the opponent has something that Sylveon can't heavily damage, or multiple potentialoutswitch-ins such that it becomes risky to pick any one coverage option—when the opponent's next move is unclear.
Team Options
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Pokemon such as Garchomp, Mega Charizard X and Y, and Talonflame are helpful at eliminating threatening Steel-types and Mega Venusaur for Sylveon. Sticky Web support patches up Sylveon's mediocre Speed, making Shuckle and Smeargle good teammates. A lure such as Earthquake Latios or Focus Punch Mega Mawile can remove Heatran from the game, making Hyper Voice spam much easier. Landorus can eliminate Mega Venusaur, Heatran, Ferrothorn, and weakened Mega Scizor, all major threats to Sylveon, which can check Latios and Latias in return. Defog or spin support is also critical because this Sylveon has no method of healing itself, and thus is easy to wear down in tandem with its low Speed.
Baton Pass
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name: Baton Pass
move 1: Baton Pass
move 2: Calm Mind
move 3: Substitute / Stored Power
move 4: Hyper Voice
ability: Pixilate
item: Leftovers
evs: 208 HP / 252 Def / 48 Spe
nature: Bold
Moves
========
- Calm Mind + Baton Pass allows it to support the Baton Pass chain with Special Attack and Special Defense boosts.
- Substitute is great to protect the chain from critical hits, status, Leech Seed, and other such annoyances.
- Stored Power allows Sylveon to function as another win condition for Baton Pass teams.
- Hyper Voice provides nice Fairy STAB for Sylveon to function as a supplementary attacker, and potentially even sweep.
- Wish can be used to help keep Sylveon and the chain healthy.
Set Details
========
- 48 Speed EVs let Sylveon outrun positive-natured 110s at +2.
- The rest provides some much-appreciated physical bulk, which Sylveon can't enhance itself.
- Leftovers keeps Sylveon healthy whilst it boosts.
Usage Tips
========
- Sylveon is best-equipped to boost against defensive Pokemon and special attackers that can't do much to it.
- If you have Stored Power, it's important to consider that if you have enough boosts, going straight for the sweep is an entirely plausible option -- or even just to take out a pesky opposing threat.
Team Options
========
- This set should only be used on dedicated Baton Pass teams.
- Scolipede starts off the game with Speed and possibly Defense boosts.
- Espeon sweeps with Stored Power, and has Magic Bounce to reflect Taunt/phazing.
- Vaporeon provides important Defense boosts, and stops boosters from having any effect against the chain.
- Mr. Mime blocks Roar and Perish Song, and can create setup opportunities for the team with Encore, as well as provide some Calm Mind boosts itself.
- Smeargle prevents Roar and Whirlwind from affecting the chain at any point due to Whirlwind, generates free turns via Spore, and provides supplementary boosts if needed with Quiver Dance.
- Mega Mawile and Mega Scizor are other possible options for Defense boosters.
Other Options
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A Choice Scarf set can be run to boost Sylveon's meager Speed to respectable levels, pivoting about with Baton Pass and even boasting the ability todounleash mini-sweeps with Echoed Voice. Yawn can function as a pseudo-phazing move to prevent dangerous threats from setting up on Sylveon. Pixilate-boosted Hyper Beam hits extremely hard, and nets many KOs that Sylveon couldn't otherwise, but the necessity of giving free turns that is attached to it makes for a generally undesirable option. RestTalk allows Sylveon to heal against phazers and can make a Calm Mind sweeper set that doesn't have to worry about status. However, the RestTalk Calm Mind set is outclassed by Suicune, and lacking Wish as well as being asleep is immensely detrimental.
Checks & Counters
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**Poison- and Steel-types**: Mega Venusaur, (Mega) Scizor, Heatran, Aegislash, and Ferrothorn are some of the biggest counters to Sylveon, as they can tank at least Hyper Voice well, and threaten in return with their STAB, super effective, attacks.
**Phazers**: Pokemon such as Skarmory and Heatran that can phaze ensure Sylveon can't heal itself with Wish, even ignoring Protect. This makes it much easier to wear down and generally deal with.
**Powerful physical attackers**: Despite its rather respectable physical bulk with full investment, overwhelming physical attackers like Mega Charizard X and Mega Pinsir can KO a slightly weakened Sylveon with their powerful, possibly boosted, attacks.
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Sylveon finds itself stuck in a tier where Clefable gives it enormous competition, boasting access to Unaware as well as both Wish and Heal Bell, the main forms of support Sylveon provides. However, it has a few advantages over the infectious pixie; namely, a base 130 Special Defense stat that lets it go toe-to-toe with top special threats, such as Greninja, Thundurus, and Latios, and a hard-hitting Pixilate-boosted Hyper Voice that lets it dish out significant damage without any boosts. Top Steel-type threats serve to make Sylveon's life difficult, and reliance on Wish + Protect for recovery leaves it entirely open to phazers and gives the opponent free turns. Only -decent physical bulk and low Speed allow many faster physical attackers to break through it. All in all, while not a Pokemon without flaws, Sylveon manages to find a place in today's hostile OU metagame.
Defensive
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name: Defensive
move 1: Hyper Voice
move 2: Wish
move 3: Protect
move 4: Heal Bell / Calm Mind
ability: Pixilate
item: Leftovers
EVs: 252 HP / 216 Def / 36 SpD
nature: Bold
Moves
========
Thanks to Pixilate, Hyper Voice, even without investment, becomes a powerful STAB capable of dealing significant amounts of damage, even 2HKOing threats such as Landorus. Wish + Protect allows Sylveon to heal itself, its teammates, and scout. Heal Bell cures Sylveon and its teammates of crippling status conditions. Between Wish and Heal Bell, it can provide immense support for its teammates. Calm Mind is also an option, offering the ability to pack more of a punch or even sweep under the right conditions. Baton Pass is another option for Sylveon to fit into VoltTurn chains and ensure its teammate receives a Wish unscathed.
Set Details
========
The given EVs are necessary to patch up Sylveon's meager physical bulk, putting it into a range where it tank Latios's Psyshock comfortably, as well as avoid 2HKOes from attacks such as non-Life Orb Garchomp's Earthquake, and deal with weakened +1 Mega Tyranitar and Mega Pinsir in a pinch if it's healthy. 36 Special Defense EVs allow it to survive a 2HKO from Landorus's Earth Power, making Sylveon a great check to non-Sludge Wave variants. Full investment in Special Defense can be used, letting it counter the likes of Choice Specs Keldeo, but the lack of physical bulk, especially in handling Latios, is heavily notice
Usage Tips
========
The basic goal of this set is to take advantage of Sylveon's Fairy typing and sponge a variety of, mostly special, hits. Know when pass off a Wish and when to Protect. If Sylveon is running low on health, unless the match is at a point where Sylveon is completely useless, Protect to gain the assured heal. If you can afford to lose Sylveon or it is healthy, pass to a teammate. When using Heal Bell, note that it only has 8 PP,; you shouldn't be attempting to outstall status users, and you don't need to heal every status inflicted upon Sylveon or its teammates right away. Take care in how often you use it.
Calm Mind should be used to punch holes and achieve little mini-sweeps during the match if it can, or possibly sweep late-game if the opponent has no more Pokemon that can easily take out Sylveon.
Team Options
========
Sylveon is at home on balanced and semi-stall teams, which appreciate the support and certain level of power it packs into one teamslot. It should be used when the extra special bulk is preferred over Clefable's Unaware, better physical bulk, and other attributes. Pokemon such as Heatran, Aegislash, and Landorus-T that have to take hits constantly, but don't have any reliable form of recovery, heavily appreciate Sylveon's support. It can also be used with sweepers like Mega Gyarados to cure paralysis from Thundurus's Prankster Thunder Wave and burn from Scald, or possibly Lava Plume. Skarmory and Zapdos make for excellent partners because they can handle Mega Pinsir and Bulk Up Talonflame, which run all over Sylveon. Both can also handle threatening Steel-type attackers fairly well. Pokemon to threaten Heatran and Skarmory, such as Keldeo, Manaphy, Earthquake Latios, and your own Earth Power Heatran (which can also handle Talonflame), also partner well with Skarmory, because these Pokemon can come in on Sylveon and do pretty much as they please, even preventing it from healing with Whirlwind and Roar, respectively. Pressuring Mega Venusaur is also necessary; Skarmory with Brave Bird, Heatran, and Latios can do the job.
Choice Specs
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name: Choice Specs
move 1: Hyper Voice
move 2: Psyshock
move 3: Shadow Ball
move 4: Hidden Power Fire / Baton Pass / Hidden Power Ground
ability: Pixilate
item: Choice Specs
evs: 244 HP / 252 SpA / 12 Spe
nature: Modest
Moves
========
Hyper Voice is this set's STAB attack; it packs immense BP due to Pixilate and ignores Substitutes, covering most targets Sylveon comes up against due to brute force. The other moves cover specific otherwise counters to this set
Set Details
========
The EVs maximize bulk and power, whilst enabling Sylveon to outrun minimum Speed Tyranitar.
Usage Tips
========
Hyper Voice should be the move chosen in most scenarios, even dealing large damage to certain resists; for example, it 2HKOes Skarmory. Coverage moves should be used on predicted switch-ins of their targets. If Baton Pass is chosen, it should be used when the opponent has something that Sylveon can't heavily damage, or multiple potential
Team Options
========
Pokemon such as Garchomp, Mega Charizard X and Y, and Talonflame are helpful at eliminating threatening Steel-types and Mega Venusaur for Sylveon. Sticky Web support patches up Sylveon's mediocre Speed, making Shuckle and Smeargle good teammates. A lure such as Earthquake Latios or Focus Punch Mega Mawile can remove Heatran from the game, making Hyper Voice spam much easier. Landorus can eliminate Mega Venusaur, Heatran, Ferrothorn, and weakened Mega Scizor, all major threats to Sylveon, which can check Latios and Latias in return. Defog or spin support is also critical because this Sylveon has no method of healing itself, and thus is easy to wear down in tandem with its low Speed.
Baton Pass
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name: Baton Pass
move 1: Baton Pass
move 2: Calm Mind
move 3: Substitute / Stored Power
move 4: Hyper Voice
ability: Pixilate
item: Leftovers
evs: 208 HP / 252 Def / 48 Spe
nature: Bold
Moves
========
- Calm Mind + Baton Pass allows it to support the Baton Pass chain with Special Attack and Special Defense boosts.
- Substitute is great to protect the chain from critical hits, status, Leech Seed, and other such annoyances.
- Stored Power allows Sylveon to function as another win condition for Baton Pass teams.
- Hyper Voice provides nice Fairy STAB for Sylveon to function as a supplementary attacker, and potentially even sweep.
- Wish can be used to help keep Sylveon and the chain healthy.
Set Details
========
- 48 Speed EVs let Sylveon outrun positive-natured 110s at +2.
- The rest provides some much-appreciated physical bulk, which Sylveon can't enhance itself.
- Leftovers keeps Sylveon healthy whilst it boosts.
Usage Tips
========
- Sylveon is best-equipped to boost against defensive Pokemon and special attackers that can't do much to it.
- If you have Stored Power, it's important to consider that if you have enough boosts, going straight for the sweep is an entirely plausible option -- or even just to take out a pesky opposing threat.
Team Options
========
- This set should only be used on dedicated Baton Pass teams.
- Scolipede starts off the game with Speed and possibly Defense boosts.
- Espeon sweeps with Stored Power, and has Magic Bounce to reflect Taunt/phazing.
- Vaporeon provides important Defense boosts, and stops boosters from having any effect against the chain.
- Mr. Mime blocks Roar and Perish Song, and can create setup opportunities for the team with Encore, as well as provide some Calm Mind boosts itself.
- Smeargle prevents Roar and Whirlwind from affecting the chain at any point due to Whirlwind, generates free turns via Spore, and provides supplementary boosts if needed with Quiver Dance.
- Mega Mawile and Mega Scizor are other possible options for Defense boosters.
Other Options
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A Choice Scarf set can be run to boost Sylveon's meager Speed to respectable levels, pivoting about with Baton Pass and even boasting the ability to
Checks & Counters
########
**Poison- and Steel-types**: Mega Venusaur, (Mega) Scizor, Heatran, Aegislash, and Ferrothorn are some of the biggest counters to Sylveon, as they can tank at least Hyper Voice well, and threaten in return with their STAB
**Phazers**: Pokemon such as Skarmory and Heatran that can phaze ensure Sylveon can't heal itself with Wish, even ignoring Protect. This makes it much easier to wear down and generally deal with.
**Powerful physical attackers**: Despite its rather respectable physical bulk with full investment, overwhelming physical attackers like Mega Charizard X and Mega Pinsir can KO a slightly weakened Sylveon with their powerful, possibly boosted, attacks.
It would be good to mention on the set details of the first set that the SpD EVs also enable Sylveon to always avoid the 2HKO from Greninja's LO Hydro Pump after SR, as most Landorus run Sludge Wave those days which means that avoiding the 2HKO from Landorus's Earth Power might not seem important to the reader. Actually, only 32 EVs are needed to avoid the 2HKO from Greninja's Hydro Pump in case you want to move the 4 EVs somwhere else, as every Landorus i have seen carried Sludge Wave.
Also, i think that a SpD set should be added. It allows Sylveon to avoid the 2HKO from Thundurus's +2 Thunderbolt and 2HKO back, use SubToxic Aegislash as Wish bait much more comfortably (where previously it was 3HKOed and screwed by a SpD drop), act as a decent check to Timid Mega Charizard Y with SR off the field, wall Choice Specs Keldeo (only 7% chance to 2HKO with Hydro Pump and SR up, not factoring in accuracy), and be a much more reliable answer to Rotom-W and Mega Manectric, thanks to Volt Switch doing a lot less. In general, the ability to check some of the best special threats in OU (Mega Charizard Y, Specs Keldeo, SubToxic Aegislash, NP Lefties Thundurus) is very valuable, and so the SpD set should have a main set, or at least a much heavier explanation in the set details of the first set.
Also, i think that a SpD set should be added. It allows Sylveon to avoid the 2HKO from Thundurus's +2 Thunderbolt and 2HKO back, use SubToxic Aegislash as Wish bait much more comfortably (where previously it was 3HKOed and screwed by a SpD drop), act as a decent check to Timid Mega Charizard Y with SR off the field, wall Choice Specs Keldeo (only 7% chance to 2HKO with Hydro Pump and SR up, not factoring in accuracy), and be a much more reliable answer to Rotom-W and Mega Manectric, thanks to Volt Switch doing a lot less. In general, the ability to check some of the best special threats in OU (Mega Charizard Y, Specs Keldeo, SubToxic Aegislash, NP Lefties Thundurus) is very valuable, and so the SpD set should have a main set, or at least a much heavier explanation in the set details of the first set.
GP 1/2
Overview
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Sylveon finds itself stuck in a tier where Clefable, [comma] who has access to Unaware in addition to Sylveon's Wish and Heal Bell, gives it enormous competition, boasting access to Unaware as well as both Wish and Heal Bell, the main forms of support Sylveon provides. However, it Sylveon has a few advantages over the infectious pixie; namely, a base 130 Special Defense stat that lets it go toe-to-toe with top special threats, such as Greninja, Thundurus, and Latios, and a hard-hitting Pixilate-boosted Hyper Voice that lets it dish out significant damage without any boosts. Top Steel-type threats serve to make Sylveon's life difficult, and reliance on Wish + Protect for recovery leaves it entirely open to phazers and gives the opponent free turns. Only Merely decent physical bulk and low Speed allow many faster physical attacks to break through it. All in all, while not a Pokemon without flaws, Sylveon manages to find a place in today's hostile OU metagame.
Cleric
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name: Cleric
move 1: Hyper Voice
move 2: Wish
move 3: Protect
move 4: Heal Bell
ability: Pixilate
item: Leftovers
EVs: 252 HP / 216 Def / 36 SpD
nature: Bold
Moves
========
Thanks to Pixilate, Hyper Voice, even without investment, becomes a powerful STAB attack capable of dealing significant amounts of damage, even 2HKOing threats such as Landorus. Wish + Protect allows Sylveon to heal itself, heal its teammates, and function as a scout. Heal Bell cures Sylveon and its teammates of crippling status conditions. Between Wish and Heal Bell, it can provide immense support for its teammates. Baton Pass is another option for Sylveon to fit into VoltTurn chains and ensure its teammate receives a Wish unscathed.
Set Details
========
The given EVs are necessary to patch up Sylveon's meager physical bulk, putting it into a range where it can tank Latios's Psyshock comfortably, as well as avoid a 2HKOes from attacks such as non-Life Orb Garchomp's Earthquake. [comma] These also allow Sylveon toand deal with weakened +1 Mega Tyranitar and Mega Pinsir in a pinch if it's healthy. 36 Special Defense EVs allow it to survive a 2HKO from Landorus's Earth Power, making it a great check to non-Sludge Wave variants. Full investment in Special Defense can be used, letting it counter the likes of Choice Specs Keldeo, but the lack of physical bulk, especially in when attempting to handle handling Latios, is heavily noticed. Leftovers help Sylveon keep healthy [removed ,] and can be utilized with Protect to gain Sylveon little bits of recovery throughout the match.
Usage Tips
========
The basic goal of this set is to take advantage of Sylveon's Fairy typing and sponge a variety of [removed ,] mostly special [removed ,] hits. Know when pass off a Wish and when to Protect. If Sylveon is running low on health, unless the match is at a point where Sylveon is completely useless, Protect to gain the assured heal. If you can afford to lose Sylveon or if it is healthy, pass to a teammate. When using Heal Bell, note that it only has 8 PP; [removed ,] you shouldn't be attempting to outstall status users, and you don't need to heal every status inflicted upon Sylveon or its teammates right away. Take care in how often you use it.
Team Options
========
Sylveon is at home on balanced and semi-stall teams, which appreciate the support and certain level of power it packs into one teamslot. It should be used when the extra special bulk is preferred over Clefable's Unaware [removed ,] and better physical bulk, and other attributes. Pokemon that have to take hits constantly but don't have any reliable form of recovery, [comma] such as Heatran, Aegislash, and Landorus-T, [comma] that have to take hits constantly, but don't have any reliable form of recovery, greatly heavily appreciate Sylveon's support. It Sylveon can also be used with sweepers such as like Mega Gyarados to cure paralysis from Thundurus's Prankster Thunder Wave and burn. Skarmory and Zapdos make for excellent partners because they can handle Mega Pinsir and Bulk Up Talonflame, which run all over Sylveon. Both can also handle threatening Steel-type attackers fairly well. Pokemon to threaten Heatran and Skarmory, such as Keldeo, Manaphy, Earthquake Latios, and your own Earth Power Heatran (which can also handle Talonflame), also partner well, [comma] because these Pokemon can come in on Sylveon and do pretty much as they please, even preventing it from healing with Whirlwind and Roar, respectively; [. to ;] options for this role include Keldeo, Manaphy, Earthquake Latios, and your own Earth Power Heatran, which can also handle Talonflame. Pressuring Mega Venusaur is also necessary.
Choice Specs
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name: Choice Specs
move 1: Hyper Voice
move 2: Psyshock
move 3: Shadow Ball
move 4: Hidden Power Fire / Baton Pass / Hidden Power Ground
ability: Pixilate
item: Choice Specs
evs: 244 HP / 252 SpA / 12 Spe
nature: Modest
Moves
========
Hyper Voice is this set's STAB attack; it packs immense BP due to Pixilate and ignores Substitutes, using brute force to covercovering most targets Sylveon comes up against due to brute force. The other moves cover specific otherwise-counters to this set. Psyshock heavily damages Mega Venusaur, and Shadow Ball hits Aegislash. The last slot is a toss-up between tearing apart Ferrothorn and Mega Scizor with Hidden Power Fire, free momentum against switch-ins with Baton Pass, and Hidden Power Ground to KO threatening Heatran.
Set Details
========
The EVs maximize bulk and power whilst [;_;] enabling Sylveon to outrun minimum Speed Tyranitar.
Usage Tips
========
Hyper Voice should be usedthe move chosen in most scenarios, even dealing large damage to certain resists; for example, it 2HKOes Skarmory. Coverage moves should be used on predicted switch-ins of their targets. If Baton Pass is chosen, it should be used when the opponent has either something that Sylveon can't heavily damage [removed ,] or multiple potential outs such that it becomes risky to pick any one coverage option because —when the opponent's next move is unclear.
Team Options
========
Pokemon such as Garchomp, Mega Charizard X and Y, and Talonflame are helpful at eliminating threatening Steel-types and Mega Venusaur for Sylveon. Sticky Web support patches up Sylveon's mediocre Speed, making Shuckle and Smeargle good teammates. A lure such as Earthquake Latios or Focus Punch Mega Mawile can remove Heatran from the game, making Hyper Voice spam much easier. Landorus can eliminate Mega Venusaur, Heatran, Ferrothorn, and weakened Mega Scizor, all major threats to Sylveon, which can check Latios and Latias in return. Defog or spin support is also critical because this Sylveon has no method of healing itself [removed ,] and thus is easy to wear down due toin tandem with its low Speed.
Other Options
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A Choice Scarf set can be run to boost Sylveon's meager Speed to respectable levels, pivoting about with Baton Pass and even boasting the ability to do mini-sweeps with Echoed Voice. Yawn can function as a pseudo-phazing move to prevent dangerous threats from setting up on Sylveon. Pixilate-boosted Hyper Beam hits extremely hard [removed ,] and nets many KOs that Sylveon couldn't otherwise, but it is undesirable because it provides the opponent with free turns.the necessity of giving free turns that is attached to it makes for a generally undesirable option. RestTalk allows Sylveon to heal against phazers and can make a Calm Mind sweeper set that doesn't have to worry about status. However, the RestTalk Calm Mind set is outclassed by Suicune, and lacking Wish as well as being asleep is immensely detrimental.
Checks & Counters
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**Poison- and Steel-types**: Mega Venusaur, (Mega) Scizor, Heatran, Aegislash, and Ferrothorn are some of the biggest counters to Sylveon, as they can tank at least Hyper Voice well and threaten in return with their super effective STAB, super effective, [removed both ,] attacks.
**Phazers**: Pokemon such as Skarmory and Heatran that can phaze ensure Sylveon can't heal itself with Wish, even ignoring Protect. This makesit Sylveon much easier to wear down and generally deal with.
**Powerful Physical Attackers**: Despiteits Sylveon's rather respectable physical bulk with full investment, overwhelming physical attackers like Mega Charizard X and Mega Pinsir can KO a slightly weakened Sylveon one with their powerful, possibly boosted, attacks.
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Sylveon finds itself stuck in a tier where Clefable, [comma] who has access to Unaware in addition to Sylveon's Wish and Heal Bell, gives it enormous competition
Cleric
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name: Cleric
move 1: Hyper Voice
move 2: Wish
move 3: Protect
move 4: Heal Bell
ability: Pixilate
item: Leftovers
EVs: 252 HP / 216 Def / 36 SpD
nature: Bold
Moves
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Thanks to Pixilate, Hyper Voice, even without investment, becomes a powerful STAB attack capable of dealing significant amounts of damage, even 2HKOing threats such as Landorus. Wish + Protect allows Sylveon to heal itself, heal its teammates, and function as a scout. Heal Bell cures Sylveon and its teammates of crippling status conditions. Between Wish and Heal Bell, it can provide immense support for its teammates. Baton Pass is another option for Sylveon to fit into VoltTurn chains and ensure its teammate receives a Wish unscathed.
Set Details
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The given EVs are necessary to patch up Sylveon's meager physical bulk, putting it into a range where it can tank Latios's Psyshock comfortably, as well as avoid a 2HKOes from attacks such as non-Life Orb Garchomp's Earthquake. [comma] These also allow Sylveon to
Usage Tips
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The basic goal of this set is to take advantage of Sylveon's Fairy typing and sponge a variety of [removed ,] mostly special [removed ,] hits. Know when pass off a Wish and when to Protect. If Sylveon is running low on health, unless the match is at a point where Sylveon is completely useless, Protect to gain the assured heal. If you can afford to lose Sylveon or if it is healthy, pass to a teammate. When using Heal Bell, note that it only has 8 PP; [removed ,] you shouldn't be attempting to outstall status users, and you don't need to heal every status inflicted upon Sylveon or its teammates right away. Take care in how often you use it.
Team Options
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Sylveon is at home on balanced and semi-stall teams, which appreciate the support and certain level of power it packs into one teamslot. It should be used when the extra special bulk is preferred over Clefable's Unaware [removed ,] and better physical bulk
Choice Specs
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name: Choice Specs
move 1: Hyper Voice
move 2: Psyshock
move 3: Shadow Ball
move 4: Hidden Power Fire / Baton Pass / Hidden Power Ground
ability: Pixilate
item: Choice Specs
evs: 244 HP / 252 SpA / 12 Spe
nature: Modest
Moves
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Hyper Voice is this set's STAB attack; it packs immense BP due to Pixilate and ignores Substitutes, using brute force to cover
Set Details
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The EVs maximize bulk and power whilst [;_;] enabling Sylveon to outrun minimum Speed Tyranitar.
Usage Tips
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Hyper Voice should be used
Team Options
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Pokemon such as Garchomp, Mega Charizard X and Y, and Talonflame are helpful at eliminating threatening Steel-types and Mega Venusaur for Sylveon. Sticky Web support patches up Sylveon's mediocre Speed, making Shuckle and Smeargle good teammates. A lure such as Earthquake Latios or Focus Punch Mega Mawile can remove Heatran from the game, making Hyper Voice spam much easier. Landorus can eliminate Mega Venusaur, Heatran, Ferrothorn, and weakened Mega Scizor, all major threats to Sylveon, which can check Latios and Latias in return. Defog or spin support is also critical because this Sylveon has no method of healing itself [removed ,] and thus is easy to wear down due to
Other Options
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A Choice Scarf set can be run to boost Sylveon's meager Speed to respectable levels, pivoting about with Baton Pass and even boasting the ability to do mini-sweeps with Echoed Voice. Yawn can function as a pseudo-phazing move to prevent dangerous threats from setting up on Sylveon. Pixilate-boosted Hyper Beam hits extremely hard [removed ,] and nets many KOs that Sylveon couldn't otherwise, but it is undesirable because it provides the opponent with free turns.
Checks & Counters
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**Poison- and Steel-types**: Mega Venusaur, (Mega) Scizor, Heatran, Aegislash, and Ferrothorn are some of the biggest counters to Sylveon, as they can tank at least Hyper Voice well and threaten in return with their super effective STAB
**Phazers**: Pokemon such as Skarmory and Heatran that can phaze ensure Sylveon can't heal itself with Wish, even ignoring Protect. This makes
**Powerful Physical Attackers**: Despite
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finally got around to implementing this check, thanks
again if anyone thinks that sdef is the way to go/wants a sdef set, feel free to take this over and implement that. i don't have an opinion either way and don't really feel like writing about this tbh because sylveon is pretty bad in general and i haven't used it in ages.
again if anyone thinks that sdef is the way to go/wants a sdef set, feel free to take this over and implement that. i don't have an opinion either way and don't really feel like writing about this tbh because sylveon is pretty bad in general and i haven't used it in ages.
You need 40 EVs in SpD to avoid a 2HKO from Landorus's Earth Power.
252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 36 SpD Sylveon: 177-211 (44.9 - 53.5%) -- 1.2% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 40 SpD Sylveon: 175-208 (44.4 - 52.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 36 SpD Sylveon: 177-211 (44.9 - 53.5%) -- 1.2% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 40 SpD Sylveon: 175-208 (44.4 - 52.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
http://www.smogon.com/dex/xy/pokemon/sylveon
i dont know if this is the place to report a bug, but for the choice scarf moveset - it says 252 SpD instead of 252 Spe....
i dont know if this is the place to report a bug, but for the choice scarf moveset - it says 252 SpD instead of 252 Spe....
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Don't have a c/p, because quite a lot of the check was simply offering suggestions, and nearly everything was prose/logic related (ie: subjective), not grammar related. Blue text inside of a green paren simply means a suggested way of applying the suggested change (this should be apparent by context, but I felt it was worth mentioning).
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Overview
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Sylveon finds itselfstuck in a tier where Clefable, which has access to Unaware in addition to Sylveon's Wish and Heal Bell, gives it receives enormous competition from Clefable, which has access to Unaware in addition to Sylveon's Wish and Heal Bell (Changed the flow of logic to make it more readable; removed 'stuck' because that implies that there is no tier mobility). However, it Sylveon has a few advantages over the infectious pixie; namely, a base 130 Special Defense stat that lets it go toe-to-toe with top special threats, such as Greninja, Thundurus, and Latios, and a hard-hitting Pixilate-boosted Hyper Voice that lets it dish out significant damage without any boosts. Top Steel-type threats serve to make Sylveon's life difficult, and a reliance on Wish + Protect for recovery leaves it entirely open to phazers and gives the opponent free turns. Additionally, Merely merely decent passable (extremely subjective suggestion that I just personally feel comes across better) physical bulk and low Speed allow many faster physical attacks to break through it. All in all, (unnecessary with the other adverbiable but not necessarily prolixious) while While not a Pokemon without flaws, Sylveon manages to find a place in today's hostile OU metagame.
Cleric
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name: Cleric
move 1: Hyper Voice
move 2: Wish
move 3: Protect
move 4: Heal Bell
ability: Pixilate
item: Leftovers
EVs: 252 HP / 216 Def / 36 SpD
nature: Bold
Moves
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Thanks to Pixilate, Hyper Voice, even without investment, becomes a powerful STAB attack capable of dealing significant amounts of damage, even 2HKOing threats such as Landorus without investment (logic flow). Between Wish and Heal Bell, it can provide immense support for its teammates. (moving it here sets up the content schemata of the next two sentences; it serves no real purpose afterwards except to explicitly state what is already implied and could simply be removed altogether) Wish + Protect allows Sylveon to heal itself, heal (unnecessary given the context) its teammates, and function as a scout. Heal Bell cures Sylveon and its teammates of crippling status conditions. Between Wish and Heal Bell, it can provide immense support for its teammates. Baton Pass is another option for Sylveon to fit into VoltTurn chains and ensure its teammate receives a Wish unscathed. (if Baton Pass does not deserve a slash on the set, simply suggest (a) move(s) that Baton Pass could replace; if 'finding room for it may be hard', should it be moved to OO instead?)
Set Details
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The given EVs are necessary to patch up Sylveon's meager physical bulk, putting it into a range where it can tank (or change tense of verb to tanks) Latios's Psyshock comfortably, allowing him a mere 9.8% to 2HKO, (add comma if implementing other changes) as well as avoid some 2HKOs altogether, (add comma if implementing other changes)from attacks such as non-Life Orb Garchomp's Earthquake. These also allow Sylveon to deal with weakened +1 Mega Tyranitar and Mega Pinsir in a pinch if it's healthy (might need to reference something here, such as ', avoiding the OHKO from Stone Edge and Return and dealing at least 46% and 55%, respectively in return'; also you mention later that Mega Pinsir runs all over Sylveon, so one or both of these examples can be reworded; adding here 'which normally run all over Sylveon' could work). 36 Special Defense EVs allow it to survive a 2HKO from Landorus's Earth Power, making it a great check to non-Sludge Wave variants. Full investment in Special Defense can be used, letting it counter the likes of Choice Specs Keldeo and Mega Charizard Y, but the lack of physical bulk is noticeable, especially when attempting to handle Latios and Latias, is heavily noticed (changed logic flow and adjective to remove the passive voice; be sure to remove the comma as well if you implement this). Leftovers help Sylveon keep healthy and can be utilized with Protect to gain Sylveon little bits of recovery throughout the match.
Usage Tips
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The basic goal of this set is to take advantage of Sylveon's Fairy typing and sponge a variety of mostly special hits. Know when to pass off a Wish and when to Protect (could be changed to 'Knowing when [...] is key to this set's success' or something similar). If Sylveon is running low on health, unless the match is at a point where Sylveon is completely useless, Protect to gain the assured heal. When using Wish, (add comma; lowercase for 'if')If if you can afford to lose Sylveon or if it is healthy (since Sylveon cannot be healthy while being low on health, I'm assuming this sentence is about Wish, but since it doesn't mention that move explicitly, the logic flows from the previous sentences about Protect and comes across a little disjointed; I've added possible edits based on my stated assumption), try to pass to a teammate instead. When using Heal Bell, note that it only has 8 PP; you shouldn't be attempting to outstall status users, and you don't need to heal every status inflicted upon Sylveon or its teammates right away. Take care in how often you use it.
Team Options
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Sylveon is at home on balanced and semi-stall teams, which appreciate the support and certain level of power it packs into one teamslot. It should be used when the extra special bulk is preferred over Clefable's Unaware and better physical bulk. Pokemon that have to take hits constantly, (remove comma) but don't have any reliable form of recovery, such as Heatran, Aegislash, and Landorus-T, greatly appreciate Sylveon's support. Sylveon can also be used with sweepers such as Mega Gyarados to cure paralysis, particularly from Thundurus's Prankster Thunder Wave, (unnecessary; remove commas if implementing) and burn. Skarmory and Zapdos make for excellent partners because they can handle Mega Pinsir and Bulk Up Talonflame, which run all over Sylveon (you mention earlier that Sylveon can handle a weakened Mega Pinsir in a pinch if it's healthy, so one of both of these examples could be removed or reworded, adding 'which typically run all over' could work here). Both can also handle threatening Steel-type attackers fairly well. Pokemon to threaten Heatran and Skarmory also partner well, as these Pokemon can come in on Sylveon and do pretty much as they please, even preventing it from healing with Whirlwind and Roar; options for this role include Keldeo, Manaphy, Earthquake Latios, and your own Earth Power Heatran, which can also handle Talonflame. Pressuring Mega Venusaur is also necessary (perhaps name one or a few examples here as well; you mention Landorus and Talonflame later on in the next set).
Choice Specs
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name: Choice Specs
move 1: Hyper Voice
move 2: Psyshock
move 3: Shadow Ball
move 4: Hidden Power Fire / Baton Pass / Hidden Power Ground
ability: Pixilate
item: Choice Specs
evs: 244 HP / 252 SpA / 12 Spe
nature: Modest
Moves
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Hyper Voice is this set's STAB attack; it packs immense BP due to Pixilate and additionally ignores Substitutes, using brute force to cover most targets Sylveon comes up against. The other moves cover specific otherwise-counters to this set. Psyshock heavily damages Mega Venusaur, and Shadow Ball hits Aegislash. The last slot is a toss-up between tearing apart Ferrothorn and Mega Scizor with Hidden Power Fire, free momentum against switch-ins with Baton Pass, and Hidden Power Ground to KO threatening Heatran.
Set Details
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The EVs maximize bulk and power whilst enabling Sylveon to outrun minimum Speed Tyranitar.
Usage Tips
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Hyper Voice should be used in most scenarios,even dealing which deals large damage to certain resists even when resisted; for example, it 2HKOes Skarmory. Coverage moves should be used on predicted switch-ins. If Baton Pass is chosen, it should be used when the opponent either has something that Sylveon can't heavily damage or has multiple potential outs such switch-ins that it becomes risky to pick any one coverage option because the opponent's next move is unclear.
Team Options
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Pokemon such as Fire Blast Garchomp, Mega Charizard X and Y, and Talonflame are helpful at eliminating threatening Steel-types and Mega Venusaur for Sylveon. Sticky Web support can patchpatches (adding potentiality only because Sticky Web does not hit flying or levitating Pokemon; this fact might be worth mentioning, or it might seem like tedious common knowledge at this point though) up Sylveon's mediocre Speed, making Shuckle and Smeargle good teammates. A lure such as Earthquake Latios or Focus Punch Mega Mawile can remove Heatran from the game, making Hyper Voice spam much easier. Landorus can eliminate Mega Venusaur, Heatran, Ferrothorn, and weakened Mega Scizor, all major threats to Sylveon, which can check Latios and Latias in return. Defog or spin Rapid Spin support is also critical because this Sylveon has no method of healing itself and thus is easy to wear down due to its low Speed.
Other Options
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A Choice Scarf set can be run to boost Sylveon's meager Speed to respectable levels, pivoting about with Baton Pass and even boasting the ability to do mini-sweeps withEchoed Voice Hyper Voice. Yawn can put something to sleep or function as a pseudo-phazing move to prevent dangerous threats from setting up on Sylveon. Pixilate-boosted Hyper Beam hits extremely hard and nets many KOs that Sylveon couldn't otherwise, but it is undesirable because it provides the opponent with free turns. RestTalk allows Sylveon to heal against phazers and can make a Calm Mind sweeper set that doesn't have to worry about status. However, the RestTalk Calm Mind set is outclassed by Suicune, and lacking Wish as well as being asleep is immensely detrimental.
Checks & Counters
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**Poison- and Steel-types**: Mega Venusaur, (Mega) Scizor, Heatran, Aegislash, and Ferrothorn are some of the biggest counters to Sylveon, as they can tank at least Hyper Voice well and threaten in return with their super effective STAB attacks.
**Phazers**: Pokemon such as Skarmory and Heatran that can phaze ensure Sylveon can't heal itself with Wish, even ignoring Protect. This makes Sylveon much easier to wear down andgenerally deal with in general.
**Powerful Physical Attackers**: Despite Sylveon's rather respectable physical bulk with full investment, overwhelming physical attackers like Mega Charizard X and Mega Pinsir can OHKOa slightly weakened one with their powerful, possibly boosted, attacks if they obtain boosts or if Sylveon has been slightly weakened beforehand.
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Sylveon finds itself
Cleric
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name: Cleric
move 1: Hyper Voice
move 2: Wish
move 3: Protect
move 4: Heal Bell
ability: Pixilate
item: Leftovers
EVs: 252 HP / 216 Def / 36 SpD
nature: Bold
Moves
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Thanks to Pixilate, Hyper Voice
Set Details
========
The given EVs are necessary to patch up Sylveon's meager physical bulk, putting it into a range where it can tank (or change tense of verb to tanks) Latios's Psyshock comfortably, allowing him a mere 9.8% to 2HKO, (add comma if implementing other changes) as well as avoid some 2HKOs altogether, (add comma if implementing other changes)
Usage Tips
========
The basic goal of this set is to take advantage of Sylveon's Fairy typing and sponge a variety of mostly special hits. Know when to pass off a Wish and when to Protect (could be changed to 'Knowing when [...] is key to this set's success' or something similar). If Sylveon is running low on health, unless the match is at a point where Sylveon is completely useless, Protect to gain the assured heal. When using Wish, (add comma; lowercase for 'if')
Team Options
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Sylveon is at home on balanced and semi-stall teams, which appreciate the support and certain level of power it packs into one teamslot. It should be used when the extra special bulk is preferred over Clefable's Unaware and better physical bulk. Pokemon that have to take hits constantly
Choice Specs
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name: Choice Specs
move 1: Hyper Voice
move 2: Psyshock
move 3: Shadow Ball
move 4: Hidden Power Fire / Baton Pass / Hidden Power Ground
ability: Pixilate
item: Choice Specs
evs: 244 HP / 252 SpA / 12 Spe
nature: Modest
Moves
========
Hyper Voice is this set's STAB attack; it packs immense BP due to Pixilate and additionally ignores Substitutes, using brute force to cover most targets Sylveon comes up against. The other moves cover specific otherwise-counters to this set. Psyshock heavily damages Mega Venusaur, and Shadow Ball hits Aegislash. The last slot is a toss-up between tearing apart Ferrothorn and Mega Scizor with Hidden Power Fire, free momentum against switch-ins with Baton Pass, and Hidden Power Ground to KO threatening Heatran.
Set Details
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The EVs maximize bulk and power whilst enabling Sylveon to outrun minimum Speed Tyranitar.
Usage Tips
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Hyper Voice should be used in most scenarios,
Team Options
========
Pokemon such as Fire Blast Garchomp, Mega Charizard X and Y, and Talonflame are helpful at eliminating threatening Steel-types and Mega Venusaur for Sylveon. Sticky Web support can patch
Other Options
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A Choice Scarf set can be run to boost Sylveon's meager Speed to respectable levels, pivoting about with Baton Pass and even boasting the ability to do mini-sweeps with
Checks & Counters
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**Poison- and Steel-types**: Mega Venusaur, (Mega) Scizor, Heatran, Aegislash, and Ferrothorn are some of the biggest counters to Sylveon, as they can tank at least Hyper Voice well and threaten in return with their super effective STAB attacks.
**Phazers**: Pokemon such as Skarmory and Heatran that can phaze ensure Sylveon can't heal itself with Wish, even ignoring Protect. This makes Sylveon much easier to wear down and
**Powerful Physical Attackers**: Despite Sylveon's rather respectable physical bulk with full investment, overwhelming physical attackers like Mega Charizard X and Mega Pinsir can OHKO
Don't have a c/p, because quite a lot of the check was simply offering suggestions, and nearly everything was prose/logic related (ie: subjective), not grammar related. Blue text inside of a green paren simply means a suggested way of applying the suggested change (this should be apparent by context, but I felt it was worth mentioning).
landorus may also run sludge wave as well for fairies... so avoiding the 2hko may not mean that much
I know, that was to answer to this post.
Jukain
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Overview
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Sylveon finds itself stuck in a tier where Clefable, which has access to Unaware in addition to Sylveon's Wish and Heal Bell, gives it enormous competition. However, it has a few advantages over the infectious pixie; namely, a base 130 Special Defense stat that lets it go toe-to-toe with top special threats, such as Greninja, Thundurus, and Latios, and a hard-hitting Pixilate-boosted Hyper Voice that lets it dish out significant damage without any boosts. Top Steel-type threats serve to make Sylveon's life difficult, and reliance on Wish + Protect for recovery leaves it entirely open to phazers and gives the opponent free turns. Merely decent physical bulk and low Speed allow many faster physical attacks to break through it. All in all, While not a Pokemon without flaws, Sylveon manages to find a place in today's hostile OU metagame.
Cleric
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name: Cleric
move 1: Hyper Voice
move 2: Wish
move 3: Protect
move 4: Heal Bell
ability: Pixilate
item: Leftovers
EVs: 252 HP / 216 Def / 36 SpD
nature: Bold
Moves
========
Thanks to Pixilate, Hyper Voice, even without investment, becomes a powerful STAB attack capable of dealing significant amounts of damage, even 2HKOing threats such as Landorus. Wish + Protect allows Sylveon to heal itself, heal its teammates, and function as a scout. Heal Bell cures Sylveon and its teammates of crippling status conditions. Between Wish and Heal Bell, it Sylveon can provide immense support for its teammates. Baton Pass is another option for Sylveon to fit into VoltTurn chains and ensure its teammate receives a Wish unscathed.
Set Details
========
The given EVs are necessary to patch up Sylveon's meager physical bulk, putting it into a range where it tank Latios's Psyshock comfortably, as well as avoid 2HKOs from attacks such as non-Life Orb Garchomp's Earthquake. These also allow Sylveon to deal with weakened +1 Mega Tyranitar and Mega Pinsir in a pinch if it's healthy. 36 Special Defense EVs allow it Sylveon to survive a 2HKO from Landorus's Earth Power, making it a great check to non-Sludge Wave variants. Full investment in Special Defense can be used, letting it Sylveon counter the likes of Choice Specs Keldeo and Mega Charizard Y, but the lack of physical bulk, especially when attempting to handle Latios and Latias, is heavily noticed. Leftovers help Sylveon keep healthy and can be utilized with Protect to gain Sylveon little bits of recovery throughout the match.
Usage Tips
========
The basic goal of this set is to take advantage of Sylveon's Fairy typing and sponge a variety of mostly special hits. Know when to pass off a Wish and when to Protect. If Sylveon is running low on health, unless the match is at a point where Sylveon is completely useless, use Protect to gain the assured heal. If you can afford to lose Sylveon or if it is healthy, pass to a teammate. When using Heal Bell, note that it only has 8 PP; you shouldn't be attempting to outstall status users, and you don't need to heal every status inflicted upon Sylveon or its teammates right away. Take care in how often you use it.
Team Options
========
Sylveon is at home on balanced and semi-stall teams, which appreciate the support and certain level of power it packs into one teamslot. It should be used when the extra special bulk is preferred over Clefable's Unaware and better physical bulk. Pokemon that have to take hits constantly, but don't have any reliable form of recovery, such as Heatran, Aegislash, and Landorus-T, greatly appreciate Sylveon's support. Sylveon can also be used with sweepers such as Mega Gyarados to cure paralysis, particularly from Thundurus's Prankster Thunder Wave, and burn. Skarmory and Zapdos make for excellent partners because they can handle Mega Pinsir and Bulk Up Talonflame, which run all over Sylveon. Both can also handle threatening Steel-type attackers fairly well. Pokemon to threaten Heatran and Skarmory also partner well, as these Pokemon can come in on Sylveon and do pretty much as they please, even preventing it from healing with Whirlwind and Roar; options for this role include Keldeo, Manaphy, Earthquake Latios, and your own Earth Power Heatran, which can also handle Talonflame. Pressuring Mega Venusaur is also necessary.
Choice Specs
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name: Choice Specs
move 1: Hyper Voice
move 2: Psyshock
move 3: Shadow Ball
move 4: Hidden Power Fire / Baton Pass / Hidden Power Ground
ability: Pixilate
item: Choice Specs
evs: 244 HP / 252 SpA / 12 Spe
nature: Modest
Moves
========
Hyper Voice is this set's STAB attack; it packs immense Base Power due to Pixilate and ignores Substitutes, using brute force to cover most targets Sylveon comes up against. The other moves cover specific otherwise-counters to this set. Psyshock heavily damages Mega Venusaur, and Shadow Ball hits Aegislash. The last slot is a toss-up between tearing apart Ferrothorn and Mega Scizor with Hidden Power Fire, gaining free momentum against switch-ins with Baton Pass, and using Hidden Power Ground to KO threatening Heatran.
Set Details
========
The EVs maximize bulk and power whilst enabling Sylveon to outrun minimum Speed Tyranitar. Like that's it? I mean ok
Usage Tips
========
Hyper Voice should be used in most scenarios, even dealing large damage to certain Pokemon that resist it resists; for example, it 2HKOes Skarmory. Coverage moves should be used on predicted switch-ins. If Baton Pass is chosen, it should be used when the opponent either has something that Sylveon can't heavily damage or multiple potential outs Multiple potential outs? I feel like this could just be rephrased to something else a bit such that it becomes risky to pick any one coverage option because the opponent's next move is unclear.
Team Options
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Pokemon such as Fire Blast Garchomp, Mega Charizard X and Y, and Talonflame are helpful at eliminating threatening Steel-types and Mega Venusaur for Sylveon. Sticky Web support patches up Sylveon's mediocre Speed, making Shuckle and Smeargle good teammates. A lure such as Earthquake Latios or Focus Punch Mega Mawile can remove Heatran from the game, making Hyper Voice spam much easier. Landorus can eliminate Mega Venusaur, Heatran, Ferrothorn, and weakened Mega Scizor, all major threats to Sylveon, which can check Latios and Latias in return. Defog or Rapid Spin support is also critical because this Sylveon has no method of healing itself and thus is easy to wear down due to its low Speed.
Other Options
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A Choice Scarf set can be run to boost Sylveon's meager Speed to respectable levels, pivoting about with Baton Pass and even boasting the ability to do mini-sweeps with Echoed Voice. Yawn can function as a pseudo-phazing move to prevent dangerous threats from setting up on Sylveon. Pixilate-boosted Hyper Beam hits extremely hard and nets many KOs that Sylveon couldn't otherwise, but it is undesirable because it provides the opponent with free turns. RestTalk allows Sylveon to heal against phazers and can make a Calm Mind sweeper set that doesn't have to worry about status. However, the RestTalk Calm Mind set is outclassed by Suicune, and lacking Wish as well as being asleep is immensely detrimental.
Checks & Counters
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**Poison- and Steel-types**: Mega Venusaur, (Mega) Scizor, Heatran, Aegislash, and Ferrothorn are some of the biggest counters to Sylveon, as they can tank at least Hyper Voice well and threaten in return with their super effective STAB attacks.
**Phazers**: Pokemon such as Skarmory and Heatran that can phaze ensure Sylveon can't heal itself with Wish, even ignoring Protect. This makes Sylveon much easier to wear down and generally deal with.
**Powerful Physical Attackers**: Despite Sylveon's rather respectable physical bulk with full investment, overwhelming physical attackers like Mega Charizard X and Mega Pinsir can KO a slightly weakened one with their powerful, possibly boosted, attacks.
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Sylveon finds itself stuck in a tier where Clefable, which has access to Unaware in addition to Sylveon's Wish and Heal Bell, gives it enormous competition. However, it has a few advantages over the infectious pixie; namely, a base 130 Special Defense stat that lets it go toe-to-toe with top special threats, such as Greninja, Thundurus, and Latios, and a hard-hitting Pixilate-boosted Hyper Voice that lets it dish out significant damage without any boosts. Top Steel-type threats serve to make Sylveon's life difficult, and reliance on Wish + Protect for recovery leaves it entirely open to phazers and gives the opponent free turns. Merely decent physical bulk and low Speed allow many faster physical attacks to break through it. All in all, While not a Pokemon without flaws, Sylveon manages to find a place in today's hostile OU metagame.
Cleric
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name: Cleric
move 1: Hyper Voice
move 2: Wish
move 3: Protect
move 4: Heal Bell
ability: Pixilate
item: Leftovers
EVs: 252 HP / 216 Def / 36 SpD
nature: Bold
Moves
========
Thanks to Pixilate, Hyper Voice, even without investment, becomes a powerful STAB attack capable of dealing significant amounts of damage, even 2HKOing threats such as Landorus. Wish + Protect allows Sylveon to heal itself, heal its teammates, and function as a scout. Heal Bell cures Sylveon and its teammates of crippling status conditions. Between Wish and Heal Bell, it Sylveon can provide immense support for its teammates. Baton Pass is another option for Sylveon to fit into VoltTurn chains and ensure its teammate receives a Wish unscathed.
Set Details
========
The given EVs are necessary to patch up Sylveon's meager physical bulk, putting it into a range where it tank Latios's Psyshock comfortably, as well as avoid 2HKOs from attacks such as non-Life Orb Garchomp's Earthquake. These also allow Sylveon to deal with weakened +1 Mega Tyranitar and Mega Pinsir in a pinch if it's healthy. 36 Special Defense EVs allow it Sylveon to survive a 2HKO from Landorus's Earth Power, making it a great check to non-Sludge Wave variants. Full investment in Special Defense can be used, letting it Sylveon counter the likes of Choice Specs Keldeo and Mega Charizard Y, but the lack of physical bulk, especially when attempting to handle Latios and Latias, is heavily noticed. Leftovers help Sylveon keep healthy and can be utilized with Protect to gain Sylveon little bits of recovery throughout the match.
Usage Tips
========
The basic goal of this set is to take advantage of Sylveon's Fairy typing and sponge a variety of mostly special hits. Know when to pass off a Wish and when to Protect. If Sylveon is running low on health, unless the match is at a point where Sylveon is completely useless, use Protect to gain the assured heal. If you can afford to lose Sylveon or if it is healthy, pass to a teammate. When using Heal Bell, note that it only has 8 PP; you shouldn't be attempting to outstall status users, and you don't need to heal every status inflicted upon Sylveon or its teammates right away. Take care in how often you use it.
Team Options
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Sylveon is at home on balanced and semi-stall teams, which appreciate the support and certain level of power it packs into one teamslot. It should be used when the extra special bulk is preferred over Clefable's Unaware and better physical bulk. Pokemon that have to take hits constantly, but don't have any reliable form of recovery, such as Heatran, Aegislash, and Landorus-T, greatly appreciate Sylveon's support. Sylveon can also be used with sweepers such as Mega Gyarados to cure paralysis, particularly from Thundurus's Prankster Thunder Wave, and burn. Skarmory and Zapdos make for excellent partners because they can handle Mega Pinsir and Bulk Up Talonflame, which run all over Sylveon. Both can also handle threatening Steel-type attackers fairly well. Pokemon to threaten Heatran and Skarmory also partner well, as these Pokemon can come in on Sylveon and do pretty much as they please, even preventing it from healing with Whirlwind and Roar; options for this role include Keldeo, Manaphy, Earthquake Latios, and your own Earth Power Heatran, which can also handle Talonflame. Pressuring Mega Venusaur is also necessary.
Choice Specs
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name: Choice Specs
move 1: Hyper Voice
move 2: Psyshock
move 3: Shadow Ball
move 4: Hidden Power Fire / Baton Pass / Hidden Power Ground
ability: Pixilate
item: Choice Specs
evs: 244 HP / 252 SpA / 12 Spe
nature: Modest
Moves
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Hyper Voice is this set's STAB attack; it packs immense Base Power due to Pixilate and ignores Substitutes, using brute force to cover most targets Sylveon comes up against. The other moves cover specific otherwise-counters to this set. Psyshock heavily damages Mega Venusaur, and Shadow Ball hits Aegislash. The last slot is a toss-up between tearing apart Ferrothorn and Mega Scizor with Hidden Power Fire, gaining free momentum against switch-ins with Baton Pass, and using Hidden Power Ground to KO threatening Heatran.
Set Details
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The EVs maximize bulk and power whilst enabling Sylveon to outrun minimum Speed Tyranitar. Like that's it? I mean ok
Usage Tips
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Hyper Voice should be used in most scenarios, even dealing large damage to certain Pokemon that resist it resists; for example, it 2HKOes Skarmory. Coverage moves should be used on predicted switch-ins. If Baton Pass is chosen, it should be used when the opponent either has something that Sylveon can't heavily damage or multiple potential outs Multiple potential outs? I feel like this could just be rephrased to something else a bit such that it becomes risky to pick any one coverage option because the opponent's next move is unclear.
Team Options
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Pokemon such as Fire Blast Garchomp, Mega Charizard X and Y, and Talonflame are helpful at eliminating threatening Steel-types and Mega Venusaur for Sylveon. Sticky Web support patches up Sylveon's mediocre Speed, making Shuckle and Smeargle good teammates. A lure such as Earthquake Latios or Focus Punch Mega Mawile can remove Heatran from the game, making Hyper Voice spam much easier. Landorus can eliminate Mega Venusaur, Heatran, Ferrothorn, and weakened Mega Scizor, all major threats to Sylveon, which can check Latios and Latias in return. Defog or Rapid Spin support is also critical because this Sylveon has no method of healing itself and thus is easy to wear down due to its low Speed.
Other Options
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A Choice Scarf set can be run to boost Sylveon's meager Speed to respectable levels, pivoting about with Baton Pass and even boasting the ability to do mini-sweeps with Echoed Voice. Yawn can function as a pseudo-phazing move to prevent dangerous threats from setting up on Sylveon. Pixilate-boosted Hyper Beam hits extremely hard and nets many KOs that Sylveon couldn't otherwise, but it is undesirable because it provides the opponent with free turns. RestTalk allows Sylveon to heal against phazers and can make a Calm Mind sweeper set that doesn't have to worry about status. However, the RestTalk Calm Mind set is outclassed by Suicune, and lacking Wish as well as being asleep is immensely detrimental.
Checks & Counters
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**Poison- and Steel-types**: Mega Venusaur, (Mega) Scizor, Heatran, Aegislash, and Ferrothorn are some of the biggest counters to Sylveon, as they can tank at least Hyper Voice well and threaten in return with their super effective STAB attacks.
**Phazers**: Pokemon such as Skarmory and Heatran that can phaze ensure Sylveon can't heal itself with Wish, even ignoring Protect. This makes Sylveon much easier to wear down and generally deal with.
**Powerful Physical Attackers**: Despite Sylveon's rather respectable physical bulk with full investment, overwhelming physical attackers like Mega Charizard X and Mega Pinsir can KO a slightly weakened one with their powerful, possibly boosted, attacks.
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